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Old 03-12-2017, 01:11 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I don't think we need to pay the head coach more money as when he moves on it will be for money that we cant touch. 200k or 300k the offer Becker will take is much more than what he was paid to start coaching for us or what we pay him now.

I'm ready for Coach Cieplicki to take over when Becker moves on.
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I know it's easy to dump all over Lonergan these days, but a couple factors in why he was always going to look for a bigger job a. He was a Maryland assistant, so he always had that bigger-time experience and pedigree. b. Vermont didn't pay him the same as what it pays Becker now-still not the most but far more competitive and market then what it used to- pretty sure he was only making like 175K in the beginning, maybe even less than that to start. c. He has 5 children. I can't even begin to fathom the amount of money required to raise 5 children in the year 2017, and if someone doesn't have kids, or do but raised them 20+ years ago, then they will have absolutely no point of reference whatsoever.

So, it's not that he wasn't loyal- he's just a normal person putting himself and his family first.

I would expect Becker to be much different since they are two totally different people with two totally different situations, both professional and personal.
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I don't think we need to pay the head coach more money as when he moves on it will be for money that we cant touch. 200k or 300k the offer Becker will take is much more than what he was paid to start coaching for us or what we pay him now.

I'm ready for Coach Cieplicki to take over when Becker moves on.
I hope you guys throw some more at Becker...
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I know it's easy to dump all over Lonergan these days, but a couple factors in why he was always going to look for a bigger job a. He was a Maryland assistant, so he always had that bigger-time experience and pedigree. b. Vermont didn't pay him the same as what it pays Becker now-still not the most but far more competitive and market then what it used to- pretty sure he was only making like 175K in the beginning, maybe even less than that to start. c. He has 5 children. I can't even begin to fathom the amount of money required to raise 5 children in the year 2017, and if someone doesn't have kids, or do but raised them 20+ years ago, then they will have absolutely no point of reference whatsoever.

So, it's not that he wasn't loyal- he's just a normal person putting himself and his family first.

I would expect Becker to be much different since they are two totally different people with two totally different situations, both professional and personal.
Lonergan took this job knowing/expecting he'd get his next job. UVM was only going to be a blip on the radar for him. Had he gotten NCAA appearances in 2007 and/or 2009, he would have been gone a lot sooner than 2011. He had one foot out the door even when he got here. Yes, other priorities with his family and no knocking looking out for that, but he made it completely clear to anyone he spoke to that he had no plans on being here long term. He liked to brag about the "offers that would have tripled his salary" he'd get every year, but how he did everyone a favor by staying here. It was all to fluff himself up.

You'd never hear that nonsense coming from Becker. Watch the post-game interview with him after the win. He cares way more about this place than ML ever did, and it shows. He'll be getting a new contract handed to him very soon.
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Lonergan took this job knowing/expecting he'd get his next job. UVM was only going to be a blip on the radar for him. Had he gotten NCAA appearances in 2007 and/or 2009, he would have been gone a lot sooner than 2011. He had one foot out the door even when he got here. Yes, other priorities with his family and no knocking looking out for that, but he made it completely clear to anyone he spoke to that he had no plans on being here long term. He liked to brag about the "offers that would have tripled his salary" he'd get every year, but how he did everyone a favor by staying here. It was all to fluff himself up.

You'd never hear that nonsense coming from Becker. Watch the post-game interview with him after the win. He cares way more about this place than ML ever did, and it shows. He'll be getting a new contract handed to him very soon.
Completely agree on both points- but my point is, there's nothing wrong with Lonergan putting himself first given that also meant putting the school first by winning- which he did (complete alignment), or viewing the job as a means to get the next bigger job, none of that upsets me in any way.

I would expect Becker to have far more affinity and loyalty to UVM given the context of his first day as DBO to head coach hiring.
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For what it's worth, as the marquee sport, the hockey coach at UVM traditionally was the highest paid of the head coaches. Becker has shattered that ceiling, now makes nearly $30,000 more than Sneddon. Not sure where UVM's limit is, but they're probably getting close.
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I love how much of a basketball school we are becoming. Never thought I'd see this level of support- and it keeps getting better every year, every day.
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I love how much of a basketball school we are becoming. Never thought I'd see this level of support- and it keeps getting better every year, every day.
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We now have a clear vision for the gym and with the season that Catamounts put together it can only help on the fundraising goals. If we could somehow get a win in the tournament over a BCS school like Purdue that would really ramp up the PR campaign. I read yesterday in the Vermont Quarterly (UVM's alumni mag.) a terrific article about Josh Speidel and in the next Vermont Quarterly they will have a feature piece on the plans for upgrading the athletic complex.

We know the athletic department has had many false starts on this project. Between sticker shock for an all in one arena, the recession, and flirting with off campus options this initiative has taken too long but in some ways in may be a blessing in disguise. I, for one, am very happy we are not getting a hockey and basketball hybrid arena. I've heard those spaces just don't have the same feel as a basketball only facility. I also think it would have been too big for basketball purposes. This does lead to one complaint I have about the new plans. As it stands now, the new basketball facility is capacity 3,100 which is smaller than Patrick. I think this is a big mistake. We have sold out the last 5 games and tickets were being scalped for big money. At the least the new facility should have 3,500 seats.

Bottom line is I expect this project to get done. I think we finally have the whole school administration on the same page and a project that has the support of the board, president, AD, etc. This will be the next big construction project on campus and it's about time.
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Completely agree on both points- but my point is, there's nothing wrong with Lonergan putting himself first given that also meant putting the school first by winning- which he did (complete alignment), or viewing the job as a means to get the next bigger job, none of that upsets me in any way.

I would expect Becker to have far more affinity and loyalty to UVM given the context of his first day as DBO to head coach hiring.
Oh for sure. I'm not saying it's upsetting - people do what they're going to do - I'm saying these two have completely different attitudes and gratitude (Walt Frazier here) toward the UVM job. ML wanted it as a stepping stone, which is fine. Best thing he did was keep the program winning, and left it in a good place. I think Becker views it as much more, which leads me to another point on the Lonergan-Becker dynamic.

Becker certainly owes ML a lot, but, it's obvious to me that someone who has become a big mentor to him is Tom Brennan. Becker has fully embraced making sure TB is still a big part of the program, that the players know him, etc. You see how post game Brennan goes into the locker room sometimes, and other little things. ML always made sure to keep him at an arm's distance. I understand that in a sense, you want to feel like your own man, and TB casted a large shadow in those first few years. But, Becker has embraced TB being "coach emeritus" and TB loves Becker, speaks so highly of him - something he didn't do much of with Lonergan.

Because of that, I think Becker certainly realizes that he has a really good deal going, and I think a mentor who wants to see him break all his records at UVM, too.
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Don't be so fooled. UVM will always be a hockey school. They'll still get the highest budget allocation. But, it's not like that will ever be at the expense of the basketball program anymore. I'm just glad to see coaching salaries are based on merit and market rates for the respective sport now and not the prestige of the sport on campus. In no way does Sneddon deserve more money than Becker based on performances, and I'm glad that it is recognized now.
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We now have a clear vision for the gym and with the season that Catamounts put together it can only help on the fundraising goals. If we could somehow get a win in the tournament over a BCS school like Purdue that would really ramp up the PR campaign. I read yesterday in the Vermont Quarterly (UVM's alumni mag.) a terrific article about Josh Speidel and in the next Vermont Quarterly they will have a feature piece on the plans for upgrading the athletic complex.

We know the athletic department has had many false starts on this project. Between sticker shock for an all in one arena, the recession, and flirting with off campus options this initiative has taken too long but in some ways in may be a blessing in disguise. I, for one, am very happy we are not getting a hockey and basketball hybrid arena. I've heard those spaces just don't have the same feel as a basketball only facility. I also think it would have been too big for basketball purposes. This does lead to one complaint I have about the new plans. As it stands now, the new basketball facility is capacity 3,100 which is smaller than Patrick. I think this is a big mistake. We have sold out the last 5 games and tickets were being scalped for big money. At the least the new facility should have 3,500 seats.

Bottom line is I expect this project to get done. I think we finally have the whole school administration on the same page and a project that has the support of the board, president, AD, etc. This will be the next big construction project on campus and it's about time.
I hope in the new plans they have a pit for bands/cheerleaders/dance teams to go. Those 126 extra seats could be recouped with this. I feel like so many seats being taken up by the band/their drums and the dance team and everything is asinine. Definitely need those groups there for the atmosphere but sticking their big instruments in the bleachers uses up so many good seats, and then in playoffs when both bands are there takes up even more space.
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Don't be so fooled. UVM will always be a hockey school. They'll still get the highest budget allocation. But, it's not like that will ever be at the expense of the basketball program anymore. I'm just glad to see coaching salaries are based on merit and market rates for the respective sport now and not the prestige of the sport on campus. In no way does Sneddon deserve more money than Becker based on performances, and I'm glad that it is recognized now.
Of course not, I do not expect basketball to ever equal or surpass hockey but it's pretty obvious that despite what limited resources we have basketball is more like 1b these days instead of distant 2 as it's been even somewhat recently.

The coaching salary was an important thing to address and my hope that will creep into the 350K-450K range over time.
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Of course not, I do not expect basketball to ever equal or surpass hockey but it's pretty obvious that despite what limited resources we have basketball is more like 1b these days instead of distant 2 as it's been even somewhat recently.

The coaching salary was an important thing to address and my hope that will creep into the 350K-450K range over time.
I'll jump on the Vermont bandwagon here.
Having been in Patrick a number of times when it has been full to capacity ... and, considering the program's expected strength in the immediate future ... it need something bigger than 3,100 seats.
I know finances will be a big factor, but what's wrong with a 4,500-seat mini-arena with all seat-back accommodations? Expensive, yes. But exactly what Vermont needs.
That, and giving Becker a raise to at least $400/$450K to keep the mid-major programs away from poaching him.
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I think 4500 seats would never be full unless you offered free beer.

......thinking about it......

Well, maybe 4500 is a good size.
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