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Old 03-20-2017, 09:33 AM   #301 (permalink)
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Looks like LIU-Brooklyn opened up too https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/sta...58336466518016

Seems harsh after they went 20-12 and 13-5 in the NEC. Maybe they want to bring Ferry back?

While we were debating the merits of Quinnipiac being the best or the greatest D1 school ever, Washington hired Syracuse "coach in waiting" Mike Hopkins, and Boehiem signed an extension. Guess Hopkins wasn't on the Q's list.
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I was talking about Lake Champlain. The boating, sailing crossing over on the Ferry to view upstate New York.
Get a grip Maine.
Oh, yeah ... misunderstood your comment about the water.
For sure, basketball players are coming to Vermont for the sailing!!!
Sounds like you're the one who needs to get a grip.

Listen, no one is saying that Q is the best job in the world.
The only contentions here are these:
- It's a better job than UVM's for any number of reasons (location, facilities, administrative commitment, better league, location, good young players in place, $$$$$).
And, yes, UVM has a lot coming back, too. But, Q only won 10 games this season. If the new coach goes, say, 16-14 next season he's viewed in a very positive light. If Becker doesn't win another AE title and get to the NCAA's again next season, it's a disappointment.

- Yes, money. $600K is more than double what Becker makes.
- Becker doesn't have the connections to make an immediate BIG step to a so-called power conference. If he has any aspirations of moving upwards, he has to take an intermediary step upwards, and this looks like a logical one.

Is there anything to dispute in those contentions?
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I always get a laugh out of hearing guys like Danny Hurley and King Rice being mentioned. Steve Pikiell who built a program at SBU and Becker who maintain success and then took it to the next level cant even sniff a job any where until they get to the NCAA tournement.

Danny Hurley did nothing at Wagner and somehow gets the URI job, then after doing nothing at URI demands 2M from Rutgers. finally gets to the NCAA tournement by the skin of his teeth and will probably be mentioned for Indiana and then UCLA after Alford takes Indiana. just crazy

King Rice has done nothing at Monmouth. he had a couple good wins last year. both seasons he choked last year in the finals this year in the semi's. had a 4 game advantage this year in regular season.in 6 seasons he has 3 winning season, no NCAAs and now he is getting mention at UMASS!!!
Get a laugh out of this: King Rice is the front-runner to be hired at Duquesne. Looks like people who actually have something to do with college basketball ... people who actually know something about coaches ... think Rice has done SOMETHING at Monmouth!!!
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Get a laugh out of this: King Rice is the front-runner to be hired at Duquesne. Looks like people who actually have something to do with college basketball ... people who actually know something about coaches ... think Rice has done SOMETHING at Monmouth!!!
Because Duquesne always hires the right coach.

You haven't answered why UVM has landed recruits like lamb, Duncan, TBH, Henson, voelkel, and Oday over quinnipiac.

Location is certainly a personal choice. Vermont is too cold for some people and a perfect college town for others. I know Burlington has non UVM students from all over the northeast visit for the weekend for a great college town experience. Some college kids want the big city for their college. A lot don't. Your very naive to think that it's cut and dry on better location. Facilities don't matter at this level.

There is 2 reasons why Vermont recruits talent. Winning tradition and a beautiful great college town. That's it. We don't need more. Recruits are looking for this. I'll add academics as well but less so.
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Get a laugh out of this: King Rice is the front-runner to be hired at Duquesne. Looks like people who actually have something to do with college basketball ... people who actually know something about coaches ... think Rice has done SOMETHING at Monmouth!!!
Yeah...Duquesne that hotbed job. Look what it did for Jim Ferry's career. Onward and upward.
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Because Duquesne always hires the right coach.

You haven't answered why UVM has landed recruits like lamb, Duncan, TBH, Henson, voelkel, and Oday over quinnipiac.

Location is certainly a personal choice. Vermont is too cold for some people and a perfect college town for others. I know Burlington has non UVM students from all over the northeast visit for the weekend for a great college town experience. Some college kids want the big city for their college. A lot don't. Your very naive to think that it's cut and dry on better location. Facilities don't matter at this level.

There is 2 reasons why Vermont recruits talent. Winning tradition and a beautiful great college town. That's it. We don't need more. Recruits are looking for this. I'll add academics as well but less so.
No, it's not cut and dry. And, no knock on UVM. You're right. Some 18-year olds might prefer a real small-town environment. But, Q is also an extremely beautiful campus, located in an affluent and picturesque area. Some 18-year olds prefer that. Academics at Q, I believe, are slightly better overall rating.
Athletically, a better league.
Facilities? They matter. You show an 18-year old a beautiful, 4,000-seat on-campus "mini arena" with all the support elements inside ... beautiful/spacious locker rooms, trainers' facility, weight rooms, study-hall areas, etc ... and, then, show them UVM's antiquated high-school like gym ... guess which one they like.
Recruiting? Vermont has had a better coach in Becker.
No wonder Q has him on the list!
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No, it's not cut and dry. And, no knock on UVM. You're right. Some 18-year olds might prefer a real small-town environment. But, Q is also an extremely beautiful campus, located in an affluent and picturesque area. Some 18-year olds prefer that. Academics at Q, I believe, are slightly better overall rating.
Athletically, a better league.
Facilities? They matter. You show an 18-year old a beautiful, 4,000-seat on-campus "mini arena" with all the support elements inside ... beautiful/spacious locker rooms, trainers' facility, weight rooms, study-hall areas, etc ... and, then, show them UVM's antiquated high-school like gym ... guess which one they like.
Recruiting? Vermont has had a better coach in Becker.
No wonder Q has him on the list!
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You still at it? I appreciate your moxie.
The word you were looking for is mania.
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Because Duquesne always hires the right coach.

You haven't answered why UVM has landed recruits like lamb, Duncan, TBH, Henson, voelkel, and Oday over quinnipiac.

Location is certainly a personal choice. Vermont is too cold for some people and a perfect college town for others. I know Burlington has non UVM students from all over the northeast visit for the weekend for a great college town experience. Some college kids want the big city for their college. A lot don't. Your very naive to think that it's cut and dry on better location. Facilities don't matter at this level.

There is 2 reasons why Vermont recruits talent. Winning tradition and a beautiful great college town. That's it. We don't need more. Recruits are looking for this. I'll add academics as well but less so.
Academics at Q, I believe, are slightly better overall rating.
Lol- more #alternate facts.
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Lol- more #alternate facts.
Oh, I forgot the sailing opportunities offered around UVM!
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No, it's not cut and dry. And, no knock on UVM. You're right. Some 18-year olds might prefer a real small-town environment. But, Q is also an extremely beautiful campus, located in an affluent and picturesque area. Some 18-year olds prefer that. Academics at Q, I believe, are slightly better overall rating.
Athletically, a better league.
Facilities? They matter. You show an 18-year old a beautiful, 4,000-seat on-campus "mini arena" with all the support elements inside ... beautiful/spacious locker rooms, trainers' facility, weight rooms, study-hall areas, etc ... and, then, show them UVM's antiquated high-school like gym ... guess which one they like.
Recruiting? Vermont has had a better coach in Becker.
No wonder Q has him on the list!
Yup. It's just our great coaches. All three of them in Brennan, lonergan, and Becker who are the sole reason for getting the recruits. It has nothing to do with what Burlington has to offer. Burlington isn't a small town. It's a college town. I'm not sure how you don't know what a small town is with your Maine interest.

The views of the green mountains and lake Champlain is as picturesque as it gets. Vermont has a thing called no billboards and Burlington has a height limit on buildings. It really helps with scenery.
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Quinnipiac might be a great job and it might pay very well for a low-mid major caliber program. But, why would a coach that has gone to the NCAA tournament twice in six seasons and demonstrated that he can take a successful program and keep the momentum going look to move laterally?

Quinnipiac's best answer is to find a guy who coached at a higher level and didn't do that great but has a successful track record at a school where QPac wants to go ... I know there aren't many floating around but I would think a former MVC/A-10/CUSA (when it was good) coach with success would consider $700K a year if there were some upward room for his salary to increase as he turned the program around.

For $700K, you don't need to consider a first time coach unless he's been the top assistant at a Final Four program for multiple years. And in that case, he's probably going to get an offer from a struggling P5 school.
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The height limits on buildings is currently being tested but I would agree that taking prospective recruits to Church St. and the waterfront is a big selling point. Especially when they visit in the fall, spring, and summer.
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"If he has any aspirations of moving upwards, he has to take an intermediary step upwards."

Agreed. If only we were talking about one.
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Lol- more #alternate facts.
Oh, I forgot the sailing opportunities offered around UVM!
Quinnipiac should call Brad Stevens' agent about this vacancy. I'm surprised he hasn't jumped on this yet!
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