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Old 03-09-2017, 02:22 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Q-Pac would have a better chance at hiring Larry Brown as their next coach then Becker. Prob same goes for Brown as well.
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Kellogg just got canned at UMass. That job may have some appeal to a rising LM coach.
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UCSB job also opened up earlier in the day.
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Kellogg just got canned at UMass. That job may have some appeal to a rising LM coach.
Kellogg was making in the ballpark of 1mm+ based on incentives. Will be a lot of people after that job.
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Kellogg was making in the ballpark of 1mm+ based on incentives. Will be a lot of people after that job.
With their football debacle, can UMass continue to lose money hand over fist on football, pay Kellogg to not coach, AND pay a new coach $1M?
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Kellogg was making in the ballpark of 1mm+ based on incentives. Will be a lot of people after that job.
With their football debacle, can UMass continue to lose money hand over fist on football, pay Kellogg to not coach, AND pay a new coach $1M?
Yes. Toll booth operators in this state were making more $$ than what Maine pays its head basketball coach.
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UMass is the NC State of New England though. Fans living every day like it was 1996. Now, Kellogg flopped there, but its not an easy job, even if you win a bit.

Becker will get mentioned for it because Vermont is also in New England, but honestly, Tim Cluess at Iona and Pat Skerry at Towson are better fits for that job than Becker, I think. And, I think someone at UMass likely has nightmares of hiring from UVM for other sports and those flopping too that saying "the Vermont coach" might be a trigger for them.
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UMass is the NC State of New England though. Fans living every day like it was 1996. Now, Kellogg flopped there, but its not an easy job, even if you win a bit.

Becker will get mentioned for it because Vermont is also in New England, but honestly, Tim Cluess at Iona and Pat Skerry at Towson are better fits for that job than Becker, I think. And, I think someone at UMass likely has nightmares of hiring from UVM for other sports and those flopping too that saying "the Vermont coach" might be a trigger for them.
The conjecture about potential Q coaches is based on finances.
Tom Moore made a base salary of $450K this season, and Q would likely go a little higher, if need be.
Vermont's Becker had a $230K base this season, a $9K car allowance, an $8K bonus for the regular-season title and an additional $15K if Vt. wins the AE championship game.
Will Brown makes a $285K base.
I can't speculate on whether either is a serious candidate, but it would be tough to turn down 6 years/$3 million from Q.
And, extremely tough for Becker to turn down, say, 6 years/$5 million from UMass, although UMass can probably attract higher-profile candidates.
Cluess, at Iona, makes a little over $500K, plus has a huge buyout. He was Hofstra's top choice a few years ago until the buyout scared Hofstra away. Plus, he's a NYC guy who has made a living out of bringing in transfers from larger programs/JC's and, let's say, academic risks. Would that work at UMass? Maybe.
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UMass is the NC State of New England though. Fans living every day like it was 1996. Now, Kellogg flopped there, but its not an easy job, even if you win a bit.

Becker will get mentioned for it because Vermont is also in New England, but honestly, Tim Cluess at Iona and Pat Skerry at Towson are better fits for that job than Becker, I think. And, I think someone at UMass likely has nightmares of hiring from UVM for other sports and those flopping too that saying "the Vermont coach" might be a trigger for them.
I don't think UMass is a great job these days, it could be, but it's similar to Rutgers in a sense, except Rutgers is a job that is even harder to win at- at least UMass *could* conceivably win in the A10 where Rutgers will never win in the B10. But I agree, someone like Cluess probably fits the type of student-athlete UMass recruits. I can't imagine Skerry has done enough at Towson to be considered, but he'd probably fit there as well.

You sign a 5-yr contract at UMass and regardless of whatever else happens you've set yourself up financially to the point if it doesn't work out it really doesn't matter.
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The conjecture about potential Q coaches is based on finances.
Tom Moore made a base salary of $450K this season, and Q would likely go a little higher, if need be.
Vermont's Becker had a $230K base this season, a $9K car allowance, an $8K bonus for the regular-season title and an additional $15K if Vt. wins the AE championship game.
Will Brown makes a $285K base.
I can't speculate on whether either is a serious candidate, but it would be tough to turn down 6 years/$3 million from Q.
And, extremely tough for Becker to turn down, say, 6 years/$5 million from UMass, although UMass can probably attract higher-profile candidates.
Cluess, at Iona, makes a little over $500K, plus has a huge buyout. He was Hofstra's top choice a few years ago until the buyout scared Hofstra away. Plus, he's a NYC guy who has made a living out of bringing in transfers from larger programs/JC's and, let's say, academic risks. Would that work at UMass? Maybe.
RE: Becker. From what I understand with the endowment $ from Cioffi's Becker is actually making closer to 300K. 450K/475K K simply isn't nearly enough money to move to a much more more expensive area (though Q-Pac is in that in between Hartford/Fairfield cty area where real estate isn't so bad) to effectively make a lateral move and try and build Q-Pac to the same point Becker has taken Vermont today.

Makes zero sense when Becker will be a legit candidate for jobs that start at 700K in higher leagues.

UMass, obviously, is one to watch out for, though doesn't seem like a natural fit.
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The conjecture about potential Q coaches is based on finances.
Tom Moore made a base salary of $450K this season, and Q would likely go a little higher, if need be.
Vermont's Becker had a $230K base this season, a $9K car allowance, an $8K bonus for the regular-season title and an additional $15K if Vt. wins the AE championship game.
Will Brown makes a $285K base.
I can't speculate on whether either is a serious candidate, but it would be tough to turn down 6 years/$3 million from Q.
And, extremely tough for Becker to turn down, say, 6 years/$5 million from UMass, although UMass can probably attract higher-profile candidates.
Cluess, at Iona, makes a little over $500K, plus has a huge buyout. He was Hofstra's top choice a few years ago until the buyout scared Hofstra away. Plus, he's a NYC guy who has made a living out of bringing in transfers from larger programs/JC's and, let's say, academic risks. Would that work at UMass? Maybe.
Hoop Cat hit on the salary adjustment Becker has gotten. Any extension he's offered is going to put him in the 300k + incentives range. The myth that UVM doesn't pay enough is long gone. Albany and SB will always pay more because cost of living and all that, but even before the endowment, UVM certainly made more of a salary commitment to its basketball coach. The endowment gives it that nice competitive push.

As for that working at UMass, it absolutely would. Some dude named Calipari did it. They've been searching for that guy ever since. But, there's a reason Travis Ford high-tailed it out of town (better job, but other reasons), and why post-NCAA reprocussions they were quick to push Brusier Flint out. Then, Steve Lappas sucked. You could be good there, but the moment you are, leave.

Cluess knows how to get players, and win with them. And, if UMass is willing to eat the money on Kellogg's deal, you have to assume they understand they need to buyout coaches deals, too. And, Skerry doesn't have the record, but he got friggen Towson to be a competitive team, and in a more competitive league than the America East. The middle of the CAA > America East. Also, if the kid hadn't failed a class Frank Mason III would have been playing at Towson. A frontrunner for National Player of the Year nearly went to Towson. Bill Self is happy as hell that kid failed a class his last semester senior year for Towson to reject his admission so he had to prep. That, and Skerry turned a Georgetown castoff into an NBA player. Only two games, but Towson has probably had the same amount of NBA players as UMass has in the last 5 years. That, and he's from New England and recruited for high major programs, which like it or not will be a knock on Becker (I don't think it's all that fair either, but the way those jobs work sometimes)

Those kind of guy are better fits than Becker, who I think fits better at jobs like Davidson, Richmond, even St. Bonaventure, or a school like Old Dominion. I'd say GW too, but we know that's not happening. Though Mojo making a strong case to keep that one.

Quinnipiac will get more no thank yous from the likes of Becker and Brown, but you're going to have people interested. But, no need to leave your success here when you can easily leverage that into a way better job down the road.
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The conjecture about potential Q coaches is based on finances.
Tom Moore made a base salary of $450K this season, and Q would likely go a little higher, if need be.
Vermont's Becker had a $230K base this season, a $9K car allowance, an $8K bonus for the regular-season title and an additional $15K if Vt. wins the AE championship game.
Will Brown makes a $285K base.
I can't speculate on whether either is a serious candidate, but it would be tough to turn down 6 years/$3 million from Q.
And, extremely tough for Becker to turn down, say, 6 years/$5 million from UMass, although UMass can probably attract higher-profile candidates.
Cluess, at Iona, makes a little over $500K, plus has a huge buyout. He was Hofstra's top choice a few years ago until the buyout scared Hofstra away. Plus, he's a NYC guy who has made a living out of bringing in transfers from larger programs/JC's and, let's say, academic risks. Would that work at UMass? Maybe.
Will Brown's base is $350k plus all the extras. I think it's going to be plenty easy to turn Q down.
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RE: Becker. From what I understand with the endowment $ from Cioffi's Becker is actually making closer to 300K. 450K/475K K simply isn't nearly enough money to move to a much more more expensive area (though Q-Pac is in that in between Hartford/Fairfield cty area where real estate isn't so bad) to effectively make a lateral move and try and build Q-Pac to the same point Becker has taken Vermont today.

Makes zero sense when Becker will be a legit candidate for jobs that start at 700K in higher leagues.

UMass, obviously, is one to watch out for, though doesn't seem like a natural fit.
You might know better than I. But, I quoted Becker's compensation directly from his contract (it's on line). Please enlighten me about this if I'm incorrect.
The Cioffi endowment, according to the UofVermont site, is not in any way related to Becker's salary. It enhances travel, recruiting, facility enhancement and student-athlete development (likely academic tutoring). No mention whatsoever of the salary benefits for Becker or his assistants.

I don't believe endowments/booster contributions can be funneled directly into paying for coaching salaries. Again, I'll stand corrected. But, that doesn't seem to be the case here.

And, Q is a much better job than Vermont. Terrific school, beautiful campus, very nice area, strong academics, slightly better league, far better athletic complex and facilities, more money for recruiting/staff, etc. Not a lateral move at all. Plus, you're right ... cost of living there not much more, if at all, than in Burlington area.

If Q comes after Becker and offers 6 years/$3 million ... the strong guess here is that he'd listen.
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