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Old 03-10-2017, 10:07 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Quit trying to get him out of the conference, Walshy and go write some more blogs.
No one is trying to get anyone out of the conference. We all root for "our" coaches to stay at our schools forever.
But, it doesn't happen.
The reality is that better coaches in a low-major league like the AE aspire to move on.
When the opportunity is there to more than double one's salary, to live and work in a nicer community (nothing wrong with Burlington, just that Hamden area has more to offer), at a school with far better facilities, and onethat plays in a superior league ...

Again, no one knows if Q is even interested in Becker.
But, if it is ... he'll be listening.
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Basically this. Nicer stuff does not necessarily equate to a better job. Sure, the place has a lot of potential. But unless Tom Moore is *that* horrendous a coach, it's not a slam dunk.

Also, let's set a rule now if we can: if we're going to compare 2 schools in different leagues, any 2 schools, we can't use the phrase "better league" unless it's a *really* better league, i.e. the AE, the MAAC, the NEC, and Patriot...in the grand scheme, they're all the same league: they're northeastern 1-bid conferences. Not to say you wouldn't jump from one league to another, but if you're doing so it's not because of "league quality." There's nothing you can accomplish in one of those leagues that you can in the other if you run your house properly. Any differences are just provincial nit-picking by fans of those schools.
Dempsey jumped over from the "better league"...how did that work out?
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:18 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Stop being a Bob Cimbollek about it and use your head. You don't go to Quinnipiac from UVM. $500k or not, Becker has the better job, and would and could do way better than Quinnipiac if he wanted to chase money.
Wow, there's the supreme insult.
The difference is Cimbollek doesn't have a clue.
And, if you believe that Becker wouldn't at least strongly listen to 5 years/$3 million ... then, you're the Cimbollek-like individual in this conversation.

Here's the question: How many coaches from AE have moved on to a high-major program?
I believe just one, although I'll stand corrected.
It's Steve Pikiell, from Stony Brook to Rutgers.
He was basically recruiting the same area as Rutgers, so already familiar with the situation there.
Plus, he had a strong "supporter" in Jim Calhoun, who he played for.
That kind of "influence" isn't a minor thing.
Who is Becker's connections from a background exclusively at small schools?
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Old 03-10-2017, 10:20 AM   #64 (permalink)
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Does anyone really think that the MAAC isn't a superior league than the AE?
How about backing that assumption up with some facts.
Here they are. The NCAA's RPI of leagues for the past 10 years:

2016-17: MAAC 16, AE 21.
2015-16: MAAC 20, AE 23.
2014-15: MAAC 22, AE 28.
2013-14: MAAC 16, AE 29.
2012-13: MAAC 14, AE 22.
2011-12: MAAC 17, AE 29.
2010-11: MAAX 16, AE 28.
2009-10: MAAC 15, AE 23.
2008-09: MAAC 14, AE 16.
2007-08: MAAC 17, AE 17.

MAAC rated 17 or better 8 times in the last 10 years, AE 2 times.
10-year average: MAAC 16.9, AE 24.5.

The MAAC, in the eyes of the NCAA, is not only a better league, but a considerably better one. That ain't nitpicking!
Yeah I don't care what the overall RPI says year after year, it's the same with the Ivy. Always rated higher...are the top four teams from either of those leagues consistently better than what we have in the America East?

No shot.
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Dempsey jumped over from the "better league"...how did that work out?
Money. Dempsey got a lot more of it to move from Rider to Bingo.
Far better facilities at Bingo, too.
Plus, a program that had no where to go but up at Bingo.
Gee, that sounds exactly like the scenario any coach from AE would find at Q!
The other thing is that Dempsey's has family connections in the Bingo area, so it was a move "home" for him.
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Wow, there's the supreme insult.
The difference is Cimbollek doesn't have a clue.
And, if you believe that Becker wouldn't at least strongly listen to 5 years/$3 million ... then, you're the Cimbollek-like individual in this conversation.

Here's the question: How many coaches from AE have moved on to a high-major program?
I believe just one, although I'll stand corrected.
It's Steve Pikiell, from Stony Brook to Rutgers.
He was basically recruiting the same area as Rutgers, so already familiar with the situation there.
Plus, he had a strong "supporter" in Jim Calhoun, who he played for.
That kind of "influence" isn't a minor thing.
Who is Becker's connections from a background exclusively at small schools?
Jim Calhoun, Jay Wright, Mike Jarvis, Rick Pitino, Mike Brey, Pat Chambers....want me to keep going?
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The one other factor that hasn't been mentioned in the Becker to Q scenario is that Becker is from Connecticut and I believe still has family there. For some people that may be a factor depending on how connected you feel to your home state. He has also recruited well in Connecticut with Kurt Steidl and Darren Payen both coming from the state. It is certainly a more fertile recruiting territory to pull from than northern Vermont. There is a lot less travel to see legit high school talent.

I don't think he would jump at this opportunity but who knows. I also think this whole conversation is predicated on tomorrow's game. If Becker gets the W tomorrow then we know his phone will be blowing up and it won't just be for Congratulations. If Vermont lays an egg tomorrow then his stock drops quickly.
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Wow, there's the supreme insult.
The difference is Cimbollek doesn't have a clue.
And, if you believe that Becker wouldn't at least strongly listen to 5 years/$3 million ... then, you're the Cimbollek-like individual in this conversation.

Here's the question: How many coaches from AE have moved on to a high-major program?
I believe just one, although I'll stand corrected.
It's Steve Pikiell, from Stony Brook to Rutgers.
He was basically recruiting the same area as Rutgers, so already familiar with the situation there.
Plus, he had a strong "supporter" in Jim Calhoun, who he played for.
That kind of "influence" isn't a minor thing.
Who is Becker's connections from a background exclusively at small schools?
Off the top of my head, Pat Chambers went to Penn (Big 10)from Boston U who was an AE team. You know Jay Wright (Villanova) was a coach in the AE, right? While the A10 is not necessarily what I would consider a high major, it's certainly better than the MAAC -Mike Lonergan went to George Washington for something like 4X the money. If we want to go way back, I'm pretty sure Calhoun coached in what was the predecessor to what is now the AE. Granted, it doesn't happen every year, but there are some very good coaches doing very well at pretty high programs.
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Money. Dempsey got a lot more of it to move from Rider to Bingo.
Far better facilities at Bingo, too.
Plus, a program that had no where to go but up at Bingo.
Gee, that sounds exactly like the scenario any coach from AE would find at Q!
The other thing is that Dempsey's has family connections in the Bingo area, so it was a move "home" for him.
Where is this information that Q is paying a half a mill per coming from?
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Off the top of my head, Pat Chambers went to Penn (Big 10)from Boston U who was an AE team. You know Jay Wright (Villanova) was a coach in the AE, right? While the A10 is not necessarily what I would consider a high major, it's certainly better than the MAAC -Mike Lonergan went to George Washington for something like 4X the money. If we want to go way back, I'm pretty sure Calhoun coached in what was the predecessor to what is now the AE. Granted, it doesn't happen every year, but there are some very good coaches doing very well at pretty high programs.
See above, you missed a few more too - but there have been many! I forgot Lonergan but would consider that close to high major. agreed
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The one other factor that hasn't been mentioned in the Becker to Q scenario is that Becker is from Connecticut and I believe still has family there. For some people that may be a factor depending on how connected you feel to your home state. He has also recruited well in Connecticut with Kurt Steidl and Darren Payen both coming from the state. It is certainly a more fertile recruiting territory to pull from than northern Vermont. There is a lot less travel to see legit high school talent.

I don't think he would jump at this opportunity but who knows. I also think this whole conversation is predicated on tomorrow's game. If Becker gets the W tomorrow then we know his phone will be blowing up and it won't just be for Congratulations. If Vermont lays an egg tomorrow then his stock drops quickly.
I'm of the opinion that Becker can do FAR better than Q. That's a quality coach that runs a great program and can go A-10 or higher...TODAY! This whole Q discussion as if that is a program even half the quality of UVM even with their shitty gym is laughable to me.
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Yeah I don't care what the overall RPI says year after year, it's the same with the Ivy. Always rated higher...are the top four teams from either of those leagues consistently better than what we have in the America East?

No shot.
So, the overall RPI is meaningless?
With that great a difference?

And, yes, the MAAC's top four teams are very consistently better than the top four in AE.
Heck, traditionally, the top 4 or 5 MAAC teams are as good as THE BEST AE team. This year is a very rare exception.
But, let's bring this to your attention: the MAAC's worst team, Marist, only lost to Vermont by FOUR points.
And, there's also this ... the 20-game winning streak?
The last 18 came against other AE teams. Other than Vermont, the rest of the AE isn't real good.
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I'm of the opinion that Becker can do FAR better than Q. That's a quality coach that runs a great program and can go A-10 or higher...TODAY! This whole Q discussion as if that is a program even half the quality of UVM even with their shitty gym is laughable to me.
Laugh all you want, but the three things that most entice coaches:
- Money. A lot more money. As in more than doubling a salary.
- Facilities, support, etc.
- An opportunity to win right away.

Q offers all of that.

Maybe you're right. Maybe Becker can do better than Q.
But, the time for a coach to move is when his program has peaked.
And, for Becker ... that's right now.
Does anyone think Vermont is going to duplicate this season again in the foreseeable future?

To use a cliche, a coach's best chance to move is when the iron is hot. And, it's never been hotter for Becker than right now.
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I disagree with your last statement. Albany, Vermont, and New Hampshire all won 20 games this season which is typically the standard to a strong season in college basketball. UMBC and Stonybrook both won 18 games. Our RPI was the best in seven years. I would say without a doubt that this is the best the AE has been in years.

On a side note, the exciting thing I've noticed is that not many teams are having big roster turnover after this season. If we can avoid the transfer bug I expect the AE to be able to maintain it's position and possibly move up a bit in the rankings.
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