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Old 03-10-2017, 11:23 AM   #91 (permalink)
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It took a decade and multiple contract extensions to get Moore to where he was...the new guy will get $300k and will like it. This is how it works...Unless people think if Brown were to leave, the new guy would get a raise.

It's the same if I leave my Manager job, most likely the new manager will come in at a lower salary and then get pulled up with time.
Moore was making $500K in 2013 ... above post proves it.
Four years later, Q ... which does very well financially, has a $340 million endowment ... is going to go cheap to bring in a good coach?
Not likely.
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Doesn't that defeat your point? Why would someone go from a good situation earning decent money to a MAAC school? What good is the $3 mill contract if the school can't afford to do anything else? Seems like a bad situation to me, especially if I think I may get some interest in an actually better conference.
Not all MAAC schools are experiencing Siena's issues.
Q's enrollment is at least 2.5 times larger than Siena's.
Considerably more assets in play there.

I could be wrong, but the likelihood of Becker, coming exclusively from small schools, isn't likely to precipitate a step from Vermont to the ACC.
He likely needs to take that one half-step up to get in position to take the next step.
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Does anyone really think that the MAAC isn't a superior league than the AE?
How about backing that assumption up with some facts.
Here they are. The NCAA's RPI of leagues for the past 10 years:

2016-17: MAAC 16, AE 21.
2015-16: MAAC 20, AE 23.
2014-15: MAAC 22, AE 28.
2013-14: MAAC 16, AE 29.
2012-13: MAAC 14, AE 22.
2011-12: MAAC 17, AE 29.
2010-11: MAAX 16, AE 28.
2009-10: MAAC 15, AE 23.
2008-09: MAAC 14, AE 16.
2007-08: MAAC 17, AE 17.

MAAC rated 17 or better 8 times in the last 10 years, AE 2 times.
10-year average: MAAC 16.9, AE 24.5.

The MAAC, in the eyes of the NCAA, is not only a better league, but a considerably better one. That ain't nitpicking!
The difference in the league's chances of sending more than 1 team to the NCAA Tournament is statistically insignificant. 2nd place in the MAAC gets you what 2nd place in the AE gets you: 2nd place.

The number of teams sent to the NCAA Tournament by the MAAC from 07-08 to 15-16: 10

The number of teams sent to the NCAA Tournament by the AE in that time: 9

And the only difference in those numbers is Iona's failure to take care of business in the 2012 MAAC Tournament. Otherwise, it'd be 9-9.

We're arguing about who has the better burger: McDonald's or Burger King? It's fine if you think one tastes a little better than the other, but in the end, they both taste like fast food.

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Old 03-10-2017, 11:31 AM   #94 (permalink)
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Not all MAAC schools are experiencing Siena's issues.
Q's enrollment is at least 2.5 times larger than Siena's.
Considerably more assets in play there.

I could be wrong, but the likelihood of Becker, coming exclusively from small schools, isn't likely to precipitate a step from Vermont to the ACC.
He likely needs to take that one half-step up to get in position to take the next step.
The only people who's opinions matter on this subject are John & Kelly Becker. We can all speculate where he might go, or where he should go, but the bottom line is this. We do not get to make the decision. Whatever it is and whenever it happens, I'm sure they will do what is right for them.

With that being said, I hope he never leaves UVM.
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Moore was making $500K in 2013 ... above post proves it.
Four years later, Q ... which does very well financially, has a $340 million endowment ... is going to go cheap to bring in a good coach?
Not likely.
A $340 million endowment is a small endowment.
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One factor missing from this discussion on compensation is pension. If you go to an area where the salary is higher but the cost of living is also, then the pension may also be higher as well. Once your employment is over, you can always move to an area with lower costs. I'm very sure coaches take this factor highly into consideration.
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Moore was making $500K in 2013 ... above post proves it.
Four years later, Q ... which does very well financially, has a $340 million endowment ... is going to go cheap to bring in a good coach?
Not likely.
Can you please link to that article? I can't seem to find a link in your post. Would like to read the rest of that story.
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So, the overall RPI is meaningless?
With that great a difference?

And, yes, the MAAC's top four teams are very consistently better than the top four in AE.
Heck, traditionally, the top 4 or 5 MAAC teams are as good as THE BEST AE team. This year is a very rare exception.
But, let's bring this to your attention: the MAAC's worst team, Marist, only lost to Vermont by FOUR points.
And, there's also this ... the 20-game winning streak?
The last 18 came against other AE teams. Other than Vermont, the rest of the AE isn't real good.
If you want to use one game as a comparison, Albany beat Penn St. The America East must be a better conference than the Big 10. haha!
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Back to the news, Miami-Ohio let its coach go today. https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/stat...07856364716032

Should I ask? ....Boals?
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A $340 million endowment is a small endowment.
Albany's is about 50 million.
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Can you please link to that article? I can't seem to find a link in your post. Would like to read the rest of that story.
Here's a link ... Moore's 2013 salary is in the last paragraph:

http://www.quchronicle.com/2015/11/l...llion-in-2013/
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Q is not a better job than Vermont. Vermont gets you better jobs and qpac gets you fired. I don't see how you can win right away at qpac as they dont have a ton returning and some might leave. Vermont is favored next year.

The only point Bob Cim JR makes that I agree with is Becker will listen to their offer. Of course a coach will entertain offers and use them for raise leverage. He won't take it though. He's more likely to be able to last 10 years at Vermont than 5 at Q. Especially with the contract it would take to get him to leave.

I don't think Becker can take a risky job. He's only been successful at one spot taking over a talented winning program. A bad run at qpac would ruin his prospects.

You could argue either way with what place is nicer to live for coaches but Burlington is a far better college town/experience and it helps greatly in getting recruits. Burlington is also much cheaper. While houses close to Burlington are expensive you can find cheap places not far from the city.
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A $340 million endowment is a small endowment.
Albany's is about 50 million.
That's a tiny endowment...but, you're a public school part of the SUNY system.

Stony Brook Foundation has 250mm, mostly the loose change in his couch that Jim Simons sent them.
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UVM's endowment is 470 million and they seem poor
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One factor missing from this discussion on compensation is pension. If you go to an area where the salary is higher but the cost of living is also, then the pension may also be higher as well. Once your employment is over, you can always move to an area with lower costs. I'm very sure coaches take this factor highly into consideration.
Also, Beckers daughter is a freshmen at uvm. Can go for free, unless she transfers to QU, don't think Becker wants to pay over 100k to send her to UVM without that discount.
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