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Old 03-10-2017, 08:19 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Also, Beckers daughter is a freshmen at uvm. Can go for free, unless she transfers to QU, don't think Becker wants to pay over 100k to send her to UVM without that discount.
Great financial point. I'm sure Becker will support his daughters decision should she decide to transfer but as of now that's an extra 50k per year in benefits for staying at UVM. No small change.

I'll also say I could see coaches like duquette and Odom making that jump. They are promising young coaches who have an uphill battle to climb.
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A $340 million endowment is a small endowment.
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A $340 million endowment is a small endowment.
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Great financial point. I'm sure Becker will support his daughters decision should she decide to transfer but as of now that's an extra 50k per year in benefits for staying at UVM. No small change.

I'll also say I could see coaches like duquette and Odom making that jump. They are promising young coaches who have an uphill battle to climb.
With the significant jump in his salary, if he moves, the guess is that Becker could afford the extra $50K for his daughter's education to continue.
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Q is not a better job than Vermont. Vermont gets you better jobs and qpac gets you fired. I don't see how you can win right away at qpac as they dont have a ton returning and some might leave. Vermont is favored next year.

The only point Bob Cim JR makes that I agree with is Becker will listen to their offer. Of course a coach will entertain offers and use them for raise leverage. He won't take it though. He's more likely to be able to last 10 years at Vermont than 5 at Q. Especially with the contract it would take to get him to leave.

I don't think Becker can take a risky job. He's only been successful at one spot taking over a talented winning program. A bad run at qpac would ruin his prospects.

You could argue either way with what place is nicer to live for coaches but Burlington is a far better college town/experience and it helps greatly in getting recruits. Burlington is also much cheaper. While houses close to Burlington are expensive you can find cheap places not far from the city.
Q is a far, far better job.
Why?
- A salary jump from about $250K to 5 years/$3.5 million. Instant life-time financial security.
- Every key player returns for Q.
- No place to go but up.
- Better area overall.
- Better facilities, by far.

Does anyone that claims Becker wouldn't consider a move to Q know anything at all about Q, or Q's commitment to basketball, etc?

It appears not. That would qualify those who opine without evidence to back up their claims to be ... yes, a bunch of Bob Cim Jrs.
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Q is a far, far better job.
Why?
- A salary jump from about $250K to 5 years/$3.5 million. Instant life-time financial security.----Not everyone is motivated strictly by Money
- Every key player returns for Q. From a horrible team. The only players that move the needle are freshman who may not stay now that their coach is gone.
- No place to go but up. No one changes jobs for this reason. If anything it works against it.
- Better area overall. Very debatable, and yes I've been to both places on multiple occasions.
- Better facilities, by far. This is valid. No one disputes this. Not even Helen Keller.

Does anyone that claims Becker wouldn't consider a move to Q know anything at all about Q, or Q's commitment to basketball, etc? He'll look and he'll think about it, but I believe that ultimately he'll pass. He has a complete team coming back next year and a child still in high school. Moving at this stage in a kids life is very tramatic, and you underestimate the impact this has on decision making.

It appears not. That would qualify those who opine without evidence to back up their claims to be ... yes, a bunch of Bob Cim Jrs. Insulting people does not strengthen your argument and makes you appear juvenile and closed minded. Sound familiar?
I would guess based on your attitude that you are a fairly young person, probably not married, and with no children. You clearly do not understand how these things affect decision making in older adults. If you want to have meaningful discussions you would do better to remember that what motivates you, is not what motivates everyone around you.
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Q is a far, far better job.
Why?
- A salary jump from about $250K to 5 years/$3.5 million. Instant life-time financial security.
- Every key player returns for Q.
- No place to go but up.
- Better area overall.
- Better facilities, by far.

Does anyone that claims Becker wouldn't consider a move to Q know anything at all about Q, or Q's commitment to basketball, etc?

It appears not. That would qualify those who opine without evidence to back up their claims to be ... yes, a bunch of Bob Cim Jrs.
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I would guess based on your attitude that you are a fairly young person, probably not married, and with no children. You clearly do not understand how these things affect decision making in older adults. If you want to have meaningful discussions you would do better to remember that what motivates you, is not what motivates everyone around you.
As with far too many posters in these forums ... you are wildly incorrect.
I am in Social Security territory, have been married for decades, have put our children through college without them having to take out a student loan.
My wife and I have done so without making six-figure salaries.

You very clearly do not understand that, in the world of D-I basketball, a better job and vastly significant financial betterment, is what motivates a coach.
The money Q would pay makes that $50K tuition outlay at Vermont (actually closer to $53K) a proverbial drop in the bucket.

Much of this discussion seems to be motivated either by people who want Becker to stay (can't blame them), or is so provincial that posters can't understand that there are far better jobs out there than Vermont's. And, Q is one. The non-insightful posters will continue to argue that Vermont's job is better than Q. But, that just isn't the case. Not even close. For anyone to cling to the contrary shows a vast lack of knowledge about college basketball.

None of this is to say that Q is interested in Becker. But, if it is ... all things considered ... it's the type of move that any low-major D-I coach would listen to with very open ears.

Would Becker be an exception?
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Old 03-11-2017, 07:01 AM   #115 (permalink)
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Me spots an individual who shoots the messenger when the accurate message isn't a well-liked one.
ok.

"instant lifetime financial security": Subjective. Completely dependent on lifestyle.

"Better area overall": Subjective statement. Some people love Newark

"Each key player returns": A coaching change is an instant out for current players should they choose to transfer

"No place to go but up": Except if you lose

You make it seem like it's a no-brainer. I'm not saying he wouldn't consider an offer, but there are many many more factors.
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Qpac fires coaches and uvm promotes coaches. Enough said on the better job.
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ok.

"instant lifetime financial security": Subjective. Completely dependent on lifestyle.

"Better area overall": Subjective statement. Some people love Newark

"Each key player returns": A coaching change is an instant out for current players should they choose to transfer

"No place to go but up": Except if you lose

You make it seem like it's a no-brainer. I'm not saying he wouldn't consider an offer, but there are many many more factors.
- How is a salary jump from $250K to $550K subjective?
- Visit Hamden, Ct., area and, then, discuss how Burlington offers so much more in terms of cultural/entertainment/lifestyle opportunities.
And, nobody loves Newark!
- A good coach traditionally is able to retain all, or most, players during a transition. Players might opt to transfer, but sitting out a year is still a significant factor.
- Very young team this season, coming off a losing record. Coaches love going into that type of situation.

Yes, there are more factors. And, I'm not saying it's a no-brainer.
Still, everything points to a better situation.
Maybe Becker loves Vermont, loves small-town life, loves making a lot less than he could make elsewhere, etc., etc.
But, Q is a better job.
All I'm saying is that if Q calls, he'll be listening.

Again, lots of hope here that Vermont is able to retain a very good coach.
But, not a lot of realistic insight.

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The key word in your last argument is "maybe."
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By the time of your next post, think you're going to have the Q paying 700K.

Moore's base salary has recently been reported to be 450-483K, and that has been over a 10-year tenure mind you.
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Also, Beckers daughter is a freshmen at uvm. Can go for free, unless she transfers to QU, don't think Becker wants to pay over 100k to send her to UVM without that discount.
Also a very good point.
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