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Old 03-11-2017, 10:34 AM   #121 (permalink)
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By the time of your next post, think you're going to have the Q paying 700K.

Moore's base salary has recently been reported to be 450-483K, and that has been over a 10-year tenure mind you.
Moore's salary was quoted as being $498K in 2013. He has gotten raises since then.
It is entirely fair to think he's making more than $500K now. And, it's entirely fair to think that if Q wants to attract a coach with the credentials of Becke, it will have to go 5 years/$3.5 million. Probably not out of the question to think 6 years/$4.2 million.

But, maybe people on this board are correct. He might be destined for an even better job. You can be sure his name is going to be front and center for a lot of openings in coming weeks.

It would be very fortuitous for Vermont if he's still in Burlington next season.
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Moore's salary was quoted as being $498K in 2013. He has gotten raises since then.
It is entirely fair to think he's making more than $500K now. And, it's entirely fair to think that if Q wants to attract a coach with the credentials of Becke, it will have to go 5 years/$3.5 million. Probably not out of the question to think 6 years/$4.2 million.

But, maybe people on this board are correct. He might be destined for an even better job. You can be sure his name is going to be front and center for a lot of openings in coming weeks.

It would be very fortuitous for Vermont if he's still in Burlington next season.
I think today cements this... I honestly hope he stays. Ae needs guys like him, brown and even some of the young up and comers like Boals and the umbc guy although not as proven yet, to stick.

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I think today cements this... I honestly hope he stays. Ae needs guys like him, brown and even some of the young up and comers like Boals and the umbc guy although not as proven yet, to stick.

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Brown has had some chances to move on, but has stayed in Albany. He has been in New York's capital region for all but three of the past 22 years. His wife is a born-and-bred area resident. He has younger children he hasn't wanted to take out of their environment.

He and Becker are two of the better mid-major coaches anywhere. The greater likelihood, though, is that Becker moves.

It would be nice to keep coaches like that in AE. But, until AE teams start offering $500K+ annually (and, that's not going to happen) ....
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Also, Beckers daughter is a freshmen at uvm. Can go for free, unless she transfers to QU, don't think Becker wants to pay over 100k to send her to UVM without that discount.
In state tuition is about $17,000 at UVM. only tuition is free for employees, not room, board, books, etc., so Becker would not forfeit that much in losing this benefit by moving.
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In state tuition is about $17,000 at UVM. only tuition is free for employees, not room, board, books, etc., so Becker would not forfeit that much in losing this benefit by moving.
Yes, but ... if Becker moves, then the family is no probably no longer eligible for in-state tuition. Tuition for out-of-state residents is over $32K.
But, again, a drop in the bucket if someone is making $500K or $550K.

Should be interesting to see how things develop for Becker in the off season.
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The good thing for becker is that he is at vermont. Maybe the best coaching gig in the league from a stability point of view. As long as he doesnt cheat he should be fine. brennan had 20 years of average seasons and was never shown the door.

If becker was at another school he would be taking a big risk by staying. He barely squeaked by this year after running through the league like Sh*t through a goose. unfortunely this is what sucks about the AE. i was texting a buddy yesterday hoping albany would win but how unfair it would be to vermont after demolishing the league all year.
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Yes, but ... if Becker moves, then the family is no probably no longer eligible for in-state tuition. Tuition for out-of-state residents is over $32K.
But, again, a drop in the bucket if someone is making $500K or $550K.

Should be interesting to see how things develop for Becker in the off season.
Guys can we stop talking about tuition please. If becker stays he gets free college at UVM for his kid, if he goes he will most likely get free tuition at the next school. if not he will be making $500k+ and tuition will not matter. or he could work it into his contract....Paying his kids tuition is the last thing on his mind when making his decision.
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my question is who is out there speakign for becker. Pikiell had a hall of fame coach in callhoun, chambers had a future hall of fame coach in jay wright, Lonegran was hired by former AE comish Nero where he obviously had a relationship he also worked for GAry Williams a hall of fame coach...

Becker was a D3 coach at Gaulaudet and worked for Mike Lonegran who was just fired for "bullying" his players and saying some pretty bad stuff about his AD... Can he even put lonegran on his resume?
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my question is who is out there speakign for becker. Pikiell had a hall of fame coach in callhoun, chambers had a future hall of fame coach in jay wright, Lonegran was hired by former AE comish Nero where he obviously had a relationship he also worked for GAry Williams a hall of fame coach...

Becker was a D3 coach at Gaulaudet and worked for Mike Lonegran who was just fired for "bullying" his players and saying some pretty bad stuff about his AD... Can he even put lonegran on his resume?
Pretty sure he hasn't since 2011. Lonergan would tell anyone in earshot after Becker's hire he didn't think he was good enough. Lonergan thought Hajj Turner should get the job, but we're all glad he didn't. Now, Lonergan is unemployed poison, and Becker and UVM are going to be one of many national tournament storylines. For a selfish ego-centric prick like Lonergan, that has to eat at him.

But, yes, Becker's resume lacks, and that's what would be up against him if he is in the hunt for other higher level jobs. His lack of recruiting at a high level, and inheriting a program that was in good shape will be the biggest things. At a minimum he has great leverage. He'll be getting a new contract soon, and returns a team that certainly could win another championship. If he's not feeling UMass or something (and he shouldn't, it'd kill his career, he's not a fit there), he knows he is in an adventageous situation.
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Like all UVM fans, I hope Coach Becker stays for many more years. This may all be wishful thinking, but here's some reasons for him to stay:

He himself has said that UVM really stuck their neck out when they hired him. He did not expect to get this job, just wanted the courtesy of an interview for experience. So he feels a deep debt to UVM. I think loyalty means a lot to him.

He has a daughter in high school. Very hard time for relocation from a social standpoint. The daughter in college not so much of an issue. She could continue at UVM even if mom and dad relocated. And as others have said, her tuition expense would be a minor factor if dad's salary doubled or tripled.


He does not seem all that interested in material wealth. He lives in a very modest house in a middle class neighborhood. By contrast, Lonergan had purchased a really expensive home at the top of the housing market, and it was a problem for him financially. That was solved by the GW move.

Lonergan was frustrated by the fact that hockey would always be the marquee sport at UVM. By contrast, Becker seems to get along great with other head coaches at UVM. Seems to enjoy their success.

He could probably plan on Brennanesque tenure at UVM. THe school does not fire coaches unless there is a long record of dismal failure (see Lori Gear-McBride), or scandal. A bigger school brings a bigger salary, but more pressure. You can get fired if you don't win. He has built up a huge store of equity at UVM with his sustained success, and excellent graduation record. Best of both worlds. It would take many years of woeful teams (which I don't see happening) for there even to be talk of removal. No scandal unless you count the silly book selling suspension of Dre last year.

The 2016-2017 UVM salary database shows his salary at $275,000. In 2014 he got a bonus of $8000 for winning the regular season AE title. No doubt there will be two bonuses this season. He also has some additional income from basketball camps. He's signed thru next year with a school option for one additional year. But it's safe to assume that he's making in the neighborhood of $300,000 total compensation. Plus, there is that business of the Cioffi endowment. A wealthy alum has contributed an endowment to the basketball team. Some of the funds go to things like travel enhancement, but they refer to Becker as the Cioffi endowed coach, so I'm thinking maybe the endowment also provides a salary bump. Don't know for sure, does anybody have solid knowledge of this? But it's possible the salary is well north of $300,000.

There, I've made the case. Becker stays.
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my question is who is out there speakign for becker. Pikiell had a hall of fame coach in callhoun, chambers had a future hall of fame coach in jay wright, Lonegran was hired by former AE comish Nero where he obviously had a relationship he also worked for GAry Williams a hall of fame coach...

Becker was a D3 coach at Gaulaudet and worked for Mike Lonegran who was just fired for "bullying" his players and saying some pretty bad stuff about his AD... Can he even put lonegran on his resume?
Exactly. A real good contribution.
It doesn't hurt to have a "godfather," if you will.
Becker doesn't seem to have one.
It's why he'll either stay at Vermont (hopefully), or have to take that half-step upwards (Q, among good-paying mid-majors that will open up) to set himself up for a big step upwards.
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Like all UVM fans, I hope Coach Becker stays for many more years. This may all be wishful thinking, but here's some reasons for him to stay:

He himself has said that UVM really stuck their neck out when they hired him. He did not expect to get this job, just wanted the courtesy of an interview for experience. So he feels a deep debt to UVM. I think loyalty means a lot to him.

He has a daughter in high school. Very hard time for relocation from a social standpoint. The daughter in college not so much of an issue. She could continue at UVM even if mom and dad relocated. And as others have said, her tuition expense would be a minor factor if dad's salary doubled or tripled.


He does not seem all that interested in material wealth. He lives in a very modest house in a middle class neighborhood. By contrast, Lonergan had purchased a really expensive home at the top of the housing market, and it was a problem for him financially. That was solved by the GW move.

Lonergan was frustrated by the fact that hockey would always be the marquee sport at UVM. By contrast, Becker seems to get along great with other head coaches at UVM. Seems to enjoy their success.

He could probably plan on Brennanesque tenure at UVM. THe school does not fire coaches unless there is a long record of dismal failure (see Lori Gear-McBride), or scandal. A bigger school brings a bigger salary, but more pressure. You can get fired if you don't win. He has built up a huge store of equity at UVM with his sustained success, and excellent graduation record. Best of both worlds. It would take many years of woeful teams (which I don't see happening) for there even to be talk of removal. No scandal unless you count the silly book selling suspension of Dre last year.

The 2016-2017 UVM salary database shows his salary at $275,000. In 2014 he got a bonus of $8000 for winning the regular season AE title. No doubt there will be two bonuses this season. He also has some additional income from basketball camps. He's signed thru next year with a school option for one additional year. But it's safe to assume that he's making in the neighborhood of $300,000 total compensation. Plus, there is that business of the Cioffi endowment. A wealthy alum has contributed an endowment to the basketball team. Some of the funds go to things like travel enhancement, but they refer to Becker as the Cioffi endowed coach, so I'm thinking maybe the endowment also provides a salary bump. Don't know for sure, does anybody have solid knowledge of this? But it's possible the salary is well north of $300,000.

There, I've made the case. Becker stays.
All very good, insightful points.
Usually, though, loyalty comes through most in the paycheck.
First, the endowment doesn't include any salary. That's illegal in the eyes of the NCAA.
You're right ... with a couple of bonuses he's earned, his compensation is probably close to $300k. A camp? Every coach has a camp. Ones at bigger schools make a lot more from summer camps than coaches at Vermont.
If a school comes offering 5 years/$3.5 mill ... you think he wouldn't listen.
Maybe not. Maybe loyalty is a big deal. Let's hope so.
Plus, the hope is that Vermont will bump his salary up a little to encourage hi to stay.

The other thing is that Vermont should be very good again next season. Another year even approaching this one certainly puts him in line for long-term security in Burlington, provided there are no scandals or a couple of 8-20 records. He's too good a coach for that to happen.

Here's hoping you're right!
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I would expect the school to offer him an extension with an appropriate salary bump.
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All very good, insightful points.
Usually, though, loyalty comes through most in the paycheck.
First, the endowment doesn't include any salary. That's illegal in the eyes of the NCAA.
You're right ... with a couple of bonuses he's earned, his compensation is probably close to $300k. A camp? Every coach has a camp. Ones at bigger schools make a lot more from summer camps than coaches at Vermont.
If a school comes offering 5 years/$3.5 mill ... you think he wouldn't listen.
Maybe not. Maybe loyalty is a big deal. Let's hope so.
Plus, the hope is that Vermont will bump his salary up a little to encourage hi to stay.

The other thing is that Vermont should be very good again next season. Another year even approaching this one certainly puts him in line for long-term security in Burlington, provided there are no scandals or a couple of 8-20 records. He's too good a coach for that to happen.

Here's hoping you're right!
I absolutely expect him to entertain better offers. My post was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek, but I did hope to point out that there are factors other than money. Thanks for clearing up the endowment thing. Still wonder why they referred to him as the endowed coach. Other than the obvious double entendre, very misleading.
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I absolutely expect him to entertain better offers. My post was intended to be a bit tongue in cheek, but I did hope to point out that there are factors other than money. Thanks for clearing up the endowment thing. Still wonder why they referred to him as the endowed coach. Other than the obvious double entendre, very misleading.
At least they didn't refer to him as, well, we'll leave that to the imagination.

Yes, there are other factors besides money.
But, money is always the biggest factor, particularly when a coach has an opportunity to double his current salary and move into a better situation overall.
Hopefully Vermont will come up with some extra money in an attempt to keep Becker a while longer.
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