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Old 03-20-2017, 12:03 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Has anyone ever seen Coach Becker "defend" playing Dev 11 / Div III Vermont schools in the regular season? I haven't.

If the reason is to guarantee a 20-win season, we didn't need it the past few seasons and we probably won't need it next season. It's time for a season ticket holder / Victory Club / AD petition to eliminate those games.
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Re: 2017-2018 Vermont Catamounts

Also, another thought:

If UVM were to have aspirations to move up in the athletic world, what conference could people see them moving to? I could see the most realistic possibilities as obviously the CAA or the PL, but those don't really seem like major improvements over the AE to me.

I think the A-10 would be the dream conference, as it has a northeastern focus, has high level basketball, would motivate UVM to possibly baseball back (though the AE has great baseball teams). Though they don't sponsor LAX, which is turning into one of UVM's premier sports.

What do others think?
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Also, another thought:

If UVM were to have aspirations to move up in the athletic world, what conference could people see them moving to? I could see the most realistic possibilities as obviously the CAA or the PL, but those don't really seem like major improvements over the AE to me.

I think the A-10 would be the dream conference, as it has a northeastern focus, has high level basketball, would motivate UVM to possibly baseball back (though the AE has great baseball teams). Though they don't sponsor LAX, which is turning into one of UVM's premier sports.

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A plan to move to A-10 would be great and could be the carrot to get the funds for the new arena.
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Has anyone ever seen Coach Becker "defend" playing Dev 11 / Div III Vermont schools in the regular season? I haven't.

If the reason is to guarantee a 20-win season, we didn't need it the past few seasons and we probably won't need it next season. It's time for a season ticket holder / Victory Club / AD petition to eliminate those games.
I think the only reason is the same reason hockey played Bentley this season (ie nobody else was available).
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The grass is not always greener...we are in good spot in the AE. I don't think the school has the financial ability to support a competitive program at a higher level. Being a premier program in a lower conference is much better than even an average program in the A10. Look at the old AE schools that left for the CAA, not much success there. If you wanted to suggest moving to the Patriot league I'd be more inclined to entertain that thought as that conferences priorities are more in line with ours.
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Probably a big reason another point guard is coming in as a freshman next year.
The reason a pg is coming in is because both of our PGs are seniors. Shungu is just a walk on and we don't plan the roster around walk ons.

I don't disagree we need more out of Ward and more consistency out of Duncan. Wards numbers have slipped through his career. I'd really like for him to have a big senior season. He's going to have to work hard because smith will challenge him for minutes. Smith could possibly redshirt if Ward and TBH stay healthy.

That's also going to rely on getting Skyler Nash. He could start at SF or be the main back up for both wing spots. We don't have any true SGs out side of Duncan. Smith and Ward are too small. Everett, Hearlihy, Kian, patella are all a step slow for sg. Sure they could play sg on the right match ups but it's not ideal. Duncan is a step slow as well but is savy and offensively makes up for it. Nash could play the 2 fine. With no Nash I think we go small with Ward and smith backing up the 2.

Although Duncan shooting trailed towards the end of the season he still does a great job with assist and taking care of the ball. He makes the right choice for us a lot and will stay with the game plan.
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I know UVM fans are all about Nash but the reality is, I think he destined for the Ivy's or Rice from what I've heard. Not the AE...
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The grass is not always greener...we are in good spot in the AE. I don't think the school has the financial ability to support a competitive program at a higher level. Being a premier program in a lower conference is much better than even an average program in the A10. Look at the old AE schools that left for the CAA, not much success there. If you wanted to suggest moving to the Patriot league I'd be more inclined to entertain that thought as that conferences priorities are more in line with ours.
To be clear, you are not a premier program in the AE. You are a premier basketball program in the AE. UA is a premier program in every sense of the word in all sports, womans, mans hoops, lax, many others.

When looking at league affiliation or even have a discussion, all sports matters! I think it would be really hard for UVM to move up in league considering your facilities and modest returns as an overall athletic dept.
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I know UVM fans are all about Nash but the reality is, I think he destined for the Ivy's or Rice from what I've heard. Not the AE...
Yet he officialed Detroit didn't commit and will us. I think we have a goodchance

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Yet he officialed Detroit didn't commit and will us. I think we have a chance
No one said you didn't have a chance...I'm just saying he's got certain interests. Not going to be shocked to see him go to UVM, just giving you what I've heard through the grapevine.
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To be clear, you are not a premier program in the AE. You are a premier basketball program in the AE. UA is a premier program in every sense of the word in all sports, womans, mans hoops, lax, many others.

When looking at league affiliation or even have a discussion, all sports matters! I think it would be really hard for UVM to move up in league considering your facilities and modest returns as an overall athletic dept.
None of that matters for the A-10. It's a horrible league for everything outside of basketball. The AE is actually already a better multi-sport league. It's all about basketball with the A-10.

That said, any talk about UVM to A-10 is a pipe dream at this point. As far as I can tell the UVM administration is content with being in the AE, as they should be IMO. Any talk about moving to the A-10 also completely changes the facility conversation. A brand new 3100 seat facility is not an A-10 facility, even if it is beautiful.
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A plan to move to A-10 would be great and could be the carrot to get the funds for the new arena.
UVM is not going anywhere when it comes to moving up in conference strength. We offer virtually nothing to another conference. Small media market and no recruits to impress by coming to town for a game. And a dated facility. Why would anyone want us? Just to get our RPI rank into their conference? Seems unlikely, as those things rise and fall. Unless the AE falls apart for some reason, we will be there forever. And that's ok. I like it here.
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UVM is not going anywhere when it comes to moving up in conference strength. We offer virtually nothing to another conference. Small media market and no recruits to impress by coming to town for a game. And a dated facility. Why would anyone want us? Just to get our RPI rank into their conference? Seems unlikely, as those things rise and fall. Unless the AE falls apart for some reason, we will be there forever. And that's ok. I like it here.
you are most likely correct; but a fan can have a fantasy
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To be clear, you are not a premier program in the AE. You are a premier basketball program in the AE. UA is a premier program in every sense of the word in all sports, womans, mans hoops, lax, many others.

When looking at league affiliation or even have a discussion, all sports matters! I think it would be really hard for UVM to move up in league considering your facilities and modest returns as an overall athletic dept.
Totally agree, everything I was saying was strictly related to basketball. If you add in other sports its makes even less sense for us to move.
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Thinking about next season's schedule, I wonder if we will see any "home" games for the seniors. These look like desirable possibilities to me.

Henson - U of Arkansas In Fayetteville, near Siloam Springs. Central Arkansas U is also near.

TBH - Buffalo and Niagra are the most likely. Either would be a good game. This would also be a convenient game for Lamb.

Ward - U of Wisconsin or Marquette are the big ones. His friends and family just had a great "home" game to see against Purdue.

Urso - This guy has been a practice workhorse and I would like to have a game for him. Pitt or Duquesne would be nice.

Urquhart - Like TBH, a Canadian game is probably out. U of Washington in Seattle played Albany (and got beaten) a few years ago. Maybe it's time for another loss to the AE.

Hearlihy - UCLA, USC, UCSB would all be just fine.

Rohrer - All our home games are convenient to Underhill.
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