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Old 03-27-2017, 11:46 AM   #61 (permalink)
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After watching you in person play the best team you played all season, I think Wills won't be as important for making a leap by beating P5 schools. He will be missed against anyone at or below your level to the degree he may be irreplaceable in one season.

He wash simply overmatched against high major talent because of his size. But against anyone else he is excellent.

Where I think UVM needs improvement is in perimeter shooting as a team. And not to say you don't have shooters. You do; you just don't have that guy that takes and makes that shot night after night.

Part of that may have been because you were basically unstoppable inside ten feet from the hoop so the game plan changed.

But watching you play Purdue made it obvious that you need someone else. I don't know if Steidl would have made the difference. He just doesn't shoot enough. Neither does Ernie to be honest.

It's hard to judge a team winning 21 straight as being flawed in some way but I think after this season and with what you have returning, you need a stopper and a legit shooter.

If you have any combination of those coming in or on your bench, there's no reason why you can't repeat and perhaps beat a P5 school. If not, you'll definitely be a favorite for the AEast but it might be tougher to repeat.

Right now, TBH, Duncan, Lamb, and Henson are the best starting four in the conference. If you guys got another Lamb to replace Steidl ... My goodness.

Agree with much of this except having the shooters. Both Steidl and Duncan are two of the best 3pt shooters, percentage-wise, in school history. However, with the emergence of Lamb and Henson, then TBH driving the ball, it became really difficult to get them a lot of shots last year when so many high-percentage interior and other open shots became available.

Steidl only had double-figure FG attempts in 2 games last season- that's pretty crazy. Ernie only took 10 shots or more in 4 games-even more crazy. He took 16 against Hofstra and scored 33pts.

TBH and Ward could certainly hit as well, and Lamb extended out to the 3pt line as the season went on.

So...there's a lot of shooters, but neither Steidl or Duncan took a lot of shots this season...when you compare them with their peers around the league, their FGA is pretty low.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:32 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I can confidently say there's not another Lamb walking through the door. However, someone posted the idea of playing Drew Urquhart (5), Henson (4), Lamb (3), Ernie (2), and TBH (1). If Drew comes in playing the way he did at the start of this season he would be an excellent addition to the starting 5. I think that line up would be terrific for rebounding and all the big guys can stretch the floor (even Urquhart).

Nate Rohrer is trusted by Becker to be a glue guy and understands our system. We also have Dingba available whose known for his defensive prowess. Finally the player that most resembles Kurt's game is Everett Duncan. Similar size and skill set. His freshmen year he gave us some good minutes and hit some big threes.

There are alot of options to fill that final starting spot but my guess is that will see a variety of guys taking the last starting spot until the right combination emerges.

Thanks for recongnizing from what I mentioned before. I agree with what you are saying. I'd like to see and improvement with Urquhart to join and be in a consistent starting five rotation or have a true freshman/redshirt battle for a starting spot by outplaying the veterans on the team.
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I can confidently say there's not another Lamb walking through the door. However, someone posted the idea of playing Drew Urquhart (5), Henson (4), Lamb (3), Ernie (2), and TBH (1). If Drew comes in playing the way he did at the start of this season he would be an excellent addition to the starting 5. I think that line up would be terrific for rebounding and all the big guys can stretch the floor (even Urquhart).

Nate Rohrer is trusted by Becker to be a glue guy and understands our system. We also have Dingba available whose known for his defensive prowess. Finally the player that most resembles Kurt's game is Everett Duncan. Similar size and skill set. His freshmen year he gave us some good minutes and hit some big threes.

There are alot of options to fill that final starting spot but my guess is that will see a variety of guys taking the last starting spot until the right combination emerges.
We're losing three key players, and have lots of numbers (four red shirts and two freshman) in the wings. But not sure I see any proven quality, much less experience, there. And of our five returning bench guys, only Drew has much upside, but we've been saying that for three years. So quality depth beyond the four returning starters is an issue. Hopefully the starters can play 30+ minutes a game, think we are going to need that out of them.
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Agree with much of this except having the shooters. Both Steidl and Duncan are two of the best 3pt shooters, percentage-wise, in school history. However, with the emergence of Lamb and Henson, then TBH driving the ball, it became really difficult to get them a lot of shots last year when so many high-percentage interior and other open shots became available.

Steidl only had double-figure FG attempts in 2 games last season- that's pretty crazy. Ernie only took 10 shots or more in 4 games-even more crazy. He took 16 against Hofstra and scored 33pts.

TBH and Ward could certainly hit as well, and Lamb extended out to the 3pt line as the season went on.

So...there's a lot of shooters, but neither Steidl or Duncan took a lot of shots this season...when you compare them with their peers around the league, their FGA is pretty low.
Right. Ernie is a very good shooter. So is Steidl. Both near 40% from 3-point range. That's excellent for this level in college.

I saw you play about seven times this season and felt like the team worked so well because you played like a team.

But against Purdue, Anthony needed his peer on behind the arc and I don't feel like you had one. Maybe more than 10 minutes from Steidl would have made the difference. Kurt just doesn't scare me anymore. At our level TBH can just take over the game (as he did against us twice) to win the game down the stretch. Against Purdue, you really needed another gun.

With all that said, and sounding like backhanded compliments, I really enjoyed watching you play Purdue and you had a season for the ages. I also have little doubt you're the preseason #1 in the conference.
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We're losing three key players, and have lots of numbers (four red shirts and two freshman) in the wings. But not sure I see any proven quality, much less experience, there. And of our five returning bench guys, only Drew has much upside, but we've been saying that for three years. So quality depth beyond the four returning starters is an issue. Hopefully the starters can play 30+ minutes a game, think we are going to need that out of them.

In addition to the four returning starters we have 6 guys (Ward, Urquhart, Dingba, Rohrer, EvD, Hearlihy) that have college basketball experience. Obviously Ward and Urquhart have the most experience on Vermont but the other players should be ready to come in and be a part of the system. I actually think we have some good depth again this season.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see a small lineup at times with TBH, Ducan, Smith, Lamb, and Henson.
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I honestly haven't thought about Drew being a starter- could be a possibility if we need a really big lineup. That lineup is more size then you really need in AE though.
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In addition to the four returning starters we have 6 guys (Ward, Urquhart, Dingba, Rohrer, EvD, Hearlihy) that have college basketball experience. Obviously Ward and Urquhart have the most experience on Vermont but the other players should be ready to come in and be a part of the system. I actually think we have some good depth again this season.
As I've said many times on this blog, basketball is an eight man game. Any "depth" beyond that is insurance. We were an eight man team at the end of the year. Ward is Ward, he will have the same role next year. Hopefully Drew steps it up next year. The rest of these guys are 9-12 players. Dingba is a brutally bad offensive player. Look at his Q'pac stats. Hopefully he has improved. But show me first. So again, I'm talking quality depth, guys that can give us quality minutes, and not just minutes.
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Ward and Drew are rotation players and will be important pieces next year. Hearlihy, Rohrer, EvD have shown that they are serviceable at this level. That doesn't include any of the unknowns. I doubt we will be as talented off the bench as we were this season but you never know how these other new faces like Smith, Shungu, Dingba, Dalyrimple or Patella will respond to the challenge. The bottom line is we have some minutes for the players that can separate themselves from the pack. With the roster we have I except there to be lots of competition among the second tier of players to secure some minutes off the bench.
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Ward and Drew are rotation players and will be important pieces next year. Hearlihy, Rohrer, EvD have shown that they are serviceable at this level. That doesn't include any of the unknowns. I doubt we will be as talented off the bench as we were this season but you never know how these other new faces like Smith, Shungu, Dingba, Dalyrimple or Patella will respond to the challenge. The bottom line is we have some minutes for the players that can separate themselves from the pack. With the roster we have I except there to be lots of competition among the second tier of players to secure some minutes off the bench.
I'm beating a dead horse. Of course these guys are going to give us minutes next year - someone has to make up the 60 minutes we got from three talented, experienced players. Just responding to the challenge, or wishful thinking, is not going to make them close in talent to what we lost. We are going to be good next year, but it is going to be a top heavy team. Our first three off the bench will not be a strength.
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I don't think we can play Anthony at the 3. He's our best shot blocker, best rebounder. You don't want to take him that far From the paint. Driving is not his strength. He can against slower bigs. Ideally we would post him up from the three but Henson and drew would not give him enough room to operate.

I like Hearlihy as the fifth starter. He is an underrated defender and is very good IMO. I thought his biggest weakness was how passive he was on offense but that works fine with 4 offensive studs starting. He just needs to hit an open three.
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You know your spoiled when your not happy with 4 capable 4th year+ players coming off your bench. Ward, Dingba, Drew, Rohrer. That's a lot of experience off the bench. We only need Dingba, Drew, and rohrer to split 25 minutes. I'm more than fine with that kind of talent for our back up bigs. AE teams would kill for it.
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You know your spoiled when your not happy with 4 capable 4th year+ players coming off your bench. Ward, Dingba, Drew, Rohrer. That's a lot of experience off the bench. We only need Dingba, Drew, and rohrer to split 25 minutes. I'm more than fine with that kind of talent for our back up bigs. AE teams would kill for it.
I'm just being realistic. Dingba, Drew, Rohrer are not even close to Steidl, Wills, Payen. I hope they do well, but Drew has been a project for three years, Rohrer is a walk-on, and Dingba did nothing at Q'pac. It's a big jump from being "capable" to being a key contributor. We're talking about replacing the DPOY, 6th MOY, and most minutes starter. Big, big shoes to fill.
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They are big shoes, but I'm still confident that some combination of players and game time will produce excellent results. We are indeed spoiled compared to some past years when we would have given anything (well, a lot of things) to have such players on the bench.

Becker didn't win those coaching awards just because he could say "ya know" more frequently than the other coaches. Whatever greatness they contain and we haven't seen yet from these players will be revealed.
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And we can't forget about the freshman players that are going to be eligible this year in Dalyrimple and Shungu. Also like I said before I think Patella can be the next more-athletic Steidl and also Stefan Smith is going to be a really good back up PG for us. I dont know if any of those two are going to redshirt their first season but I think they will be able to compete right away.
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