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Old 03-28-2017, 08:03 AM   #91 (permalink)
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It's a fact that you were down deep in the second half to Albany in 2 out of 3 games. Will be interesting.
How many of those games did UA win?
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How many of those games did UA win?
Zero...I get it, it's all talk, UVM isn't going to give up their crown. UA will have to take it. Should be fun.
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So if UVM doesn't land Nash, should we go after Kpedi or Reuter?
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It's a fact that you were down deep in the second half to Albany in 2 out of 3 games. Will be interesting.
8pts with plenty of time left is down deep in the second half? I wouldn't agree with that.

And what's the point of the margin? We won, I don't care if it was by 30pts or 1 pt. Can't imagine an Albany fan disagreeing with that....
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It's a fact that you were down deep in the second half to Albany in 2 out of 3 games. Will be interesting.
You are correct that Albany plays UVM very well. That is one of the reasons I think WB is such a good coach. I suspect they always will. With that being said, Albany was not close to UVM's body of work over the whole season. Not close. Yes, you played us well in the championship game. It took everything UVM had, plus home court advantage to pull out the win. In that game, UVM and Albany were very close. Had Albany won the championship game, they get a 16 seed in the tourney and have no shot to win a game. Because of UVM's season, they earned a 13 and a chance (albeit a small one) to win a game.

For whatever it's worth, I will ALWAYS expect Albany to be a difficult matchup for UVM. It's like WB finds an extra coaching gear for those games.
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8pts with plenty of time left is down deep in the second half? I wouldn't agree with that.

And what's the point of the margin? We won, I don't care if it was by 30pts or 1 pt. Can't imagine an Albany fan disagreeing with that....
I'm not trying to downplay your season...my only point was that UVM was the undoubted standards bearer in the AE and UA played them well with a young group of players. Going into next season, it is my belief that UA will further close that gap and will be on par with UVM.

The assertion was that UVM enjoys a "tremendous advantage and still does" in depth etc. which I read (right or wrong) will mean running away with the league again.

I'm not buying it...as I've said before, I will be picking UA to win the AE next year. You guys are certainly within your right to disagree. That's what makes this fun.
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You are correct that Albany plays UVM very well. That is one of the reasons I think WB is such a good coach. I suspect they always will. With that being said, Albany was not close to UVM's body of work over the whole season. Not close. Yes, you played us well in the championship game. It took everything UVM had, plus home court advantage to pull out the win. In that game, UVM and Albany were very close. Had Albany won the championship game, they get a 16 seed in the tourney and have no shot to win a game. Because of UVM's season, they earned a 13 and a chance (albeit a small one) to win a game.

For whatever it's worth, I will ALWAYS expect Albany to be a difficult matchup for UVM. It's like WB finds an extra coaching gear for those games.
It seemed pretty clear that UVM had a lot of extra pressure in the championship game because of the specter of 'wasting' the undefeated regular season by falling (again) at the final hurdle. I believe Becker spoke about that. It was a significant factor in that game. And as just about everyone has repeatedly acknowledged, Albany is always a real danger and massive challenge for us come tournament time. WB is a superb big-game coach and I'm never comfortable when our opponent is Albany. You guys are never out of it, at least against us.
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Maybe it was just me but I was more nervous for UVM when they were playing UMBC than when they were playing UAlbany?...
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I'm not trying to downplay your season...my only point was that UVM was the undoubted standards bearer in the AE and UA played them well with a young group of players. Going into next season, it is my belief that UA will further close that gap and will be on par with UVM.

The assertion was that UVM enjoys a "tremendous advantage and still does" in depth etc. which I read (right or wrong) will mean running away with the league again.

I'm not buying it...as I've said before, I will be picking UA to win the AE next year. You guys are certainly within your right to disagree. That's what makes this fun.
Albany played UVM the way I'd expect Albany to play UVM in that type of championship game; nothing more nothing less. We weren't ever going to win that game by 12-15pts. Albany played the way I'd expect the second best team in the league at that point to play.

To be clear, I don't think for a second we're going 19-0 again- but we still have a great deal of depth, that hasn't changed. I fully expect us to be in play for first place again, and likely pre-season #1 .

It may not be as good as what we lost but it's still going to be valuable depth we're going to take advantage of.
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Albany played UVM the way I'd expect Albany to play UVM in that type of championship game; nothing more nothing less. We weren't ever going to win that game by 12-15pts. Albany played the way I'd expect the second best team in the league at that point to play.

To be clear, I don't think for a second we're going 19-0 again- but we still have a great deal of depth, that hasn't changed. I fully expect us to be in play for first place again, and likely pre-season #1 .

It may not be as good as what we lost but it's still going to be valuable depth we're going to take advantage of.
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Also, I think this point needs to be made- and we're going off-topic per usual- a lot of times the AE championship game is a grind-fest because of style of play and nerves...these games tend not to look like other games:

Many of the recent AE championships games involving Albany, especially over their 3 year run...have been pretty ugly..the Hooley shot game against Stony Brook, ex- that fantastic moment, was one of the worst AE championship games I've ever seen in terms of quality of basketball and level of play....

It's just survive and advance at that point. This year's game was also a grind fest. UVM/Stony Brook in 2012 was also a defensive grind.
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Also, I think this point needs to be made- and we're going off-topic per usual- a lot of times the AE championship game is a grind-fest because of style of play and nerves...these games tend not to look like other games:

Many of the recent AE championships games involving Albany, especially over their 3 year run...have been pretty ugly..the Hooley shot game against Stony Brook, ex- that fantastic moment, was one of the worst AE championship games I've ever seen in terms of quality of basketball and level of play....

It's just survive and advance at that point. This year's game was also a grind fest. UVM/Stony Brook in 2012 was also a defensive grind.
The case for most one-game finals in sports, really
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The case for most one-game finals in sports, really
Well, especially the case for mid-major leagues.
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Call me crazy but I'm not expecting much from Shungu (walk on) or Dalyrimple (only offer). Depth will certainly be something that we will have to wait and see what have. I'm more hopeful that Patella can come in and play solid minutes than some of our redshirts. Nash would definitely add some potential to the bench.

I know only scrimmages, but did not think Shungu looked to bad. Only a walk-on because parent works for UVM and goes for free. I think he can be that 8-10 pt gd relief for Tre and who ever follows.
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Not to get too much into the Albany stuff, but I think Rowley's a big loss. He was the their best post defender, rebounder, and scored when he had position around the basket while also providing toughness. He was always in position and did a decent job of clogging the lane.

I'm not as high on Urquhart as some here. I think he basically stays the same if not gets worse. He's always had issues with playing aggressive/confidence. Payen had the same issues until this year but Drew has been here much longer.

Unless strength is an issue, I think Patella jumps right into the rotation. He's pretty skilled with good athleticism. I'm interested in seeing Smith. He looks like a late riser. Under his tutelage, I wouldn't mind a TBH clone.

I think the team could be better next year actually. Lamb was the best player in the league and he got better as the season went on, to the point where Purdue was triple teaming him late in the game...aaaand he's still getting better. That alone sets a higher ceiling for the team. TBH- Nothing to worry about there. Another year for Henson too. Ernie will make one of the all-league teams.

I'd put Dingba at sf for defense and rebounding and give the shots that Steidl was getting to Lamb. The offense should run through Lamb. Teams will have to double team him or he'll do what he did to Purdue and to Tanner Leissner.
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