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Old 06-07-2017, 09:08 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Wish they could balance out their OOC home schedule. One year is pretty good, the next year sucks. But at least no mention of a D3 game...yet.
Becker was interviewed on the local affiliate of espn radio a few days ago. He said he would be adding a DIII game to the schedule. It sounds like there will only be 3 non-conference home games this year.

I know lots of people here hate that, but especially in a year like this with very few home games, I don't care who they play if it gets us another home game.
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Becker was interviewed on the local affiliate of espn radio a few days ago. He said he would be adding a DIII game to the schedule.
Who does it help when Vermont beats Lyndon State 79-20? Does someone make money? What's the point?
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Who does it help when Vermont beats Lyndon State 79-20? Does someone make money? What's the point?
If no DI team can be found to play at Patrick it's a choice between no game and a lower division game. Some of the UVM fans also have a tie to one or more of the VT state schools, so an "in the family" game is probably amusing to them. Some of us will be so basketball deprived that any game would be amusing.

It's also probably a thrill for the Lyndon State players, maybe even as much as Kentucky will be for UVM players, to have a step up game. Maybe one of them will be our future governor and will remember the game fondly, and will cough up some bucks to fix the cruddy locker rooms.
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We didn't expect q and sienna to be so bad and the whole long contract thing.

The AE should be better next year. Albany is the only school I feel confident in having a better season but I think several more could.
Just wishful thinking in my part. I know there are long term contracts. But would be nice from a balance standpoint if one of the NU, Harvard or Yale games could get flip flopped to a home game for UVM this year and away next year.
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Who does it help when Vermont beats Lyndon State 79-20? Does someone make money? What's the point?
There's little value in the competition but there's definitely value in letting the younger players get game time in a real game instead of a Green/Gold scrimmage. Lets them work out the butterflies and gives the coaches game tape.

Missing a defensive assignment against Lyndon or Albany is still a missed defensive assignment. In the heat of the moment, a kid losing the shot motion or shot decision making that they worked on in practice is still valuable, even if it's not against Harvard.

I'm not opposed to D3 games generally. As long as big FBS schools schedule FCS schools I'm not going to ding Vermont for playing Lyndon.
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Who does it help when Vermont beats Lyndon State 79-20? Does someone make money? What's the point?
As a fan, I want to see UVM basketball play live, in person as often as I can. Given the well documented difficulty of getting quality DI programs to come to Patrick Gym, I'll take what I can get. I'd rather see them play at home, than not play at all. Basketball is basketball.

I'm also pretty sure the team would rather play someone else than the guys they've been practicing with for weeks.
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I just hope UVM plays better than the last time they were at Yale. That is a game I want to forget.
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I will continue my boycott of the Lyndon game. Not a fan.
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I'd rather they not play that game. No benefit, if they really need to sell the season tickets, play another exhibition. To me, playing a regular season game against a sub D1 is a black eye for the program. Play a crappy D1 team home and home, it can't be that hard. Why can't we play CCSU home and home? Or the other AE schools that can't find anyone to play? So what if we have three regular season games against a league team. To me it is just lazy on the athletic departments part. A third game with Albany would be great!! I think they played oneonta this year.


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I'd rather they not play that game. No benefit, if they really need to sell the season tickets, play another exhibition. To me, playing a regular season game against a sub D1 is a black eye for the program. Play a crappy D1 team home and home, it can't be that hard. Why can't we play CCSU home and home? Or the other AE schools that can't find anyone to play? So what if we have three regular season games against a league team. To me it is just lazy on the athletic departments part. A third game with Albany would be great!! I think they played oneonta this year.


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I'd rather they not play that game. No benefit, if they really need to sell the season tickets, play another exhibition. To me, playing a regular season game against a sub D1 is a black eye for the program. Play a crappy D1 team home and home, it can't be that hard. Why can't we play CCSU home and home? Or the other AE schools that can't find anyone to play? So what if we have three regular season games against a league team. To me it is just lazy on the athletic departments part. A third game with Albany would be great!! I think they played oneonta this year.


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I think they try hard to get games, it's difficult to get teams to come up to BTV. Maybe the AE should create a challenge or alliance with some of the other conferences. But you're right, we've gotten CCSU, Bryant, Iona type teams up here in the past, not sure what is going on this year. Maybe they truly don't want to lose to UVM, but for a one bid league, I don't think it really matters in the end.
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I have no idea if this goes into the thinking of the coaches, but the unfortunate reality is that a home game against CCSU, even if we win, likely hurts the RPI. Could be a seed-line difference maker. A sub D-1 game is RPI neutral.

A primary objective for the UVM men next season (after the obvious of winning the championship) should be to go undefeated at home. A home loss to anybody on the current home schedule is an RPI killer.
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I have no idea if this goes into the thinking of the coaches, but the unfortunate reality is that a home game against CCSU, even if we win, likely hurts the RPI. Could be a seed-line difference maker. A sub D-1 game is RPI neutral.

A primary objective for the UVM men next season (after the obvious of winning the championship) should be to go undefeated at home. A home loss to anybody on the current home schedule is an RPI killer.
Then they focus too much on RPI. Need to win the AE tourney regardless, so putting the cart before the horse. 12-13-14 seeds all basically the same with the parity of the Power Conference teams that they would play.
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Different year, same bitching about the D3 game from UVM fans without any prospective.

Nobody likes these games. Everyone can agree on that. However, as someone on this forum brought up, a very high number of schools have to resort to it now. Reality of playing at this level.

Boycott all you want, school doesn't really care. If you're a season ticket holder, they have your money already.

Some people should probably realize a CCSU or Sacred Heart would rather get paid to lose than drive 4+ hours to go lose, and not have any compensation. If you don't want the D3 games in there, you gotta donate to the program so they can have a guarantee game budget for home games. Plenty of schools with the means in peer leagues are now providing guarantees for peer-to-peer league non-conference games. Generally, it's covering transport or a couple rooms in a hotel. Vermont can pay a Vermont state school probably $300 bucks for gas for the vans they come in, and a post-game meal. It costs a few thousand for D1 schools.

Sure, UVM can always do better on the new ideas front, because the administration suffers from plenty of narrow-minded thinking and is easily stuck in the past. But, acting like simply not scheduling a D3 game is the answer, or that because you don't care if they play another game on the road, that many others care about the number of home games, and plenty of them are people who might actually put their money where their mouths are.

That, and again, consider the landscape. UVM is only doing what others in its situation are doing, too. You don't have to like it, but at least understand it.
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Annual Complaining about the D3 game is nearing duration for complaining about Albany affinity for JUCO's.

1) Realize and understand why it's done and mechanics behind it 2) Like it or don't like it, it doesn't matter 3) Move on

I was pretty vocal about these games popping back on the schedule recently after a good hiatus since 2002 or so, but it's fruitless now.
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