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c_dog · 11-19-2002, 03:59 PM

So the attendance is okay?

Until the Hawks become title contenders, you can't expect them to sell as much tickets as the Kings or Mavs. When they do that, Shareef would be recognized as a star, for sure.

JarvisHayes24 · 11-19-2002, 04:04 PM

No, it's far from okay. Anything around 10,000 is terrible. The problem is the ticket prices are so jacked up, and nobody outside of Jason Terry is very exciting to watch.

c_dog · 11-19-2002, 04:48 PM

10,000 sounds a lot better than Memphis' attendance, though. I think Memphis' attendance is not even 2000... maybe 1000? less?

My favorite player in the hawks is Shareef. If they trade him, fine, but they lose another fan(me) by doing do. Seriously, though, you can probably trade him for Webber.

I'm sure the kings are regretting signing Webber to the 100+million dollar contract. Shareef may be over paid, but not as over paid as the Mr.Choker Chris Webber.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-19-2002, 05:08 PM

Shareef is overrated just like Mike
Bibby.They didn't do crap together
in Vancouver.

Shareef is overrated.He can't pass
out of double teams.His rebounding
and assist have been rather unimpressive this season.He needs
to do alittle better than 7.2RPG.

Shareef should be doing better than
21/7/2 for what he costed the team
in trades and the fact that his contract
is 12 million and should be getting
about half that.

he should be putting up KG/Webber
and Duncan numbers.

**BEEZ** · 11-20-2002, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
5 words...

No fans in the stands

That's why we have a mediocre
5-4 record.

According to what you wrote. Atlanta has a mediocre record because of the fans not being at the games?????

c_dog · 11-20-2002, 08:45 PM

Now is that 12 million for this season?

In case you don't know, Webber has about 100+ million contract for six years. All that money and he still chokes during the playoffs.

12 million isn't THAT bad. Shareef is more underrated, rather than overrated, by both critics, and fans like you. This guy is good. Just because he doesn't get as much attention from the media doesn't make him a worse player than the likes of Chris Webber. He can score, and is one of the best rebounders in the league. So what if he's not getting rebounds early this season? His past statistics show just how good this guy is.

Mike Bibby is not overrated. Overpaid, not overrated. He has a 80 million dollar contract for 6 seasons. It kind of makes me wonder where Sac town get all their money... Mike Bibby almost dethroned the Kings by himself. When it came down to crunch time, he was the only player who could score. Other players were all hiding behind him, the smallest player in the team.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-20-2002, 09:47 PM

Mike Bibby is not overrated. Overpaid, not overrated. He has a 80 million dollar contract for 6 seasons. It kind of makes me wonder where Sac town get all their money... Mike Bibby almost dethroned the Kings by himself. When it came down to crunch time, he was the only player who could score. Other players were all hiding behind him, the smallest player in the team."

He had one good playoffs...That is
really all he has done in his career...
The playoffs were probably a fluke.

" In case you don't know, Webber has about 100+ million contract for six years. All that money and he still chokes during the playoffs.

12 million isn't THAT bad. Shareef is more underrated, rather than overrated, by both critics, and fans like you. This guy is good. Just because he doesn't get as much attention from the media doesn't make him a worse player than the likes of Chris Webber. He can score, and is one of the best rebounders in the league. So what if he's not getting rebounds early this season? His past statistics show just how good this guy i"

Yeah that's why the Hawks are and
are going to do what Vancouver did....
lose...

Shareef lacks athletic ability,he lacks
a consisant outside jumper,and he is
nowhere to be found when needed and he just losses like he has done
all his career and that is all he will
ever do the rest of his career.

One of the best rebounders?He don't
even get 10RPG.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-20-2002, 09:50 PM

Yes that is 12 million per season.It
should be about 5 so he wouldn't
waste so much cap space.

c_dog · 11-20-2002, 10:40 PM

Mike Bibby's performance at the playoffs wasn't a fluke. The guy just happens to shoot well, whether the team is up by 20, or down 20. And yeah, he's only had ONE good playoff because he's only been to ONE playoff.

Trust me that you'll be seeing more of this guy. He's still young, and still has a lot to accomplish.

Shareef is easily a top rebounder. He may not average 10 rbs per game, but he'll be damn close. He can easily get over 10rbs in any game, if he feels like it(that's not his job, though, because his job is to score). I remember the 99-00 season when he came in 2nd or something in total rebounds.

The guy is athletic, and CAN shoot outside shots. I remember his 20ft jumpers which separates him from most PF's. And he's at least more useful than Webber is at crunch time.

The Bibby and Reef Grizzlies were pretty good, or at least, decent. o_o 34 wins(one of their best seasons) in the west may very well be 40+ wins in the east. Note that Bibby was a rookie, Reef still young, Sydney Lowe was coaching and their supporting cast was just horrible. Don't confuse the Vancouver Grizzlies with the Memphis Losers.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-21-2002, 01:03 AM

The Grizzlies never won more than
24 games with Shareef/Bibby there.
In fact,I believe they won a franchise
record in games last year.

" The guy is athletic, and CAN shoot outside shots. I remember his 20ft jumpers which separates him from most PF's. And he's at least more useful than Webber is at crunch time."

There are alot of games when his
jumper will be flat.

"Mike Bibby's performance at the playoffs wasn't a fluke. The guy just happens to shoot well, whether the team is up by 20, or down 20. And yeah, he's only had ONE good playoff because he's only been to ONE playoff. Trust me that you'll be seeing more of this guy. He's still young, and still has a lot to accomplish."

We'll see....not much of a believer
here.

Well Shareef has a better supporting
cast but will still miss the playoffs
this year regardless if it is all his
fault or not.

He's just mean't to put up numbers
on paper for bad teams.

At Shareef's pay role he should be
giving 23PPG AND 10-11RPG.Maybe
some feel that is alittle unfair to
expect,but you go to remember
everything we gave up for him.

We will have to dissagree.But I
do know that he hasn't and will
not make Atlanta a sucessfull
franchise and that is what was
expected of him.After all,we gave
up a lotto pick and a solid PF for
him,

JarvisHayes24 · 11-21-2002, 01:46 PM

You are kidding right? Wright is riding the pine in Memphis, and Gasol isn't the franchise player you would expect from a Top 3 draft selection.

c_dog · 11-21-2002, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
The Grizzlies never won more than
24 games with Shareef/Bibby there.
In fact,I believe they won a franchise
record in games last year.

Hmm, I think you're right. o_0 I don't think it was last year, though, but the year before that(with Reef and Bibby).

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
There are alot of games when his
jumper will be flat.

But he shoots pretty well most of the time, doesn't he?

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
Well Shareef has a better supporting
cast but will still miss the playoffs
this year regardless if it is all his
fault or not.

The season is just starting! Be more optimistic about your team!

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
He's just mean't to put up numbers
on paper for bad teams.

What do you mean? Just look at his stats. Those are All-Star numbers. Over 20ppg, around 9rbs.

Quote:

Originally posted by Hotlantadude198!
At Shareef's pay role he should be
giving 23PPG AND 10-11RPG.Maybe
some feel that is alittle unfair to
expect,but you go to remember
everything we gave up for him.

His numbers are pretty close to that. 22ppg, 8 rbs. And Wright and Gasol really aren't that great. -_- Look at the Grizzlies now. 0-11 or something. Just pathetic. You guys got a heck of a good deal.

I don't understand why you hate Reef so much. He really is one of the best PF's in the league.

Ranks #13 in the NBA in Points Per Game(22.0)
Ranks #4 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage(0.538)
Ranks #17 in the NBA in Free Throws(59.0)
Ranks #19 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(71.0)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(7.72)
Ranks #16 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(9.29)
Ranks #11 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes(28.8)
Ranks #13 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points(244.0)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking(24.4)
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes(31.91

Just what else do you want? And the hawks are doing so well so far. Even if they don't make the playoffs(looks like they'll make it though) they'll make it next season, or the season after that.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-22-2002, 09:52 PM

Those stats mean very little.Did
you see him tonight againest
Boston?He airballed in the 4th,
he turned toe ball over,he has
been ineffective after the 3rd
period and he isn't clutch.that
makes him overrated.

6-6 is not a good record.

Nobody made Shareef shoot
airballs and turn it over besides
himself.

c_dog · 11-22-2002, 11:43 PM

Hey, even Peja airballed during the Kings and Lakers series. Does that mean they should give up Peja? No!

Clutch comes with experience. Truth is Reef is still a young player. This is only his 7th season, and he's never been on a winning team. He's not been in many clutch situations.

Hotlantadude198 · 11-22-2002, 11:54 PM

Peja was hurt and he is better
than Shareef also.With Shareef
as the best player we are doomed.

Throw the season and go for a
real star player LaBron James
and either trade him for a
superstar or develop him.

Have a fire sale and get rid of
most of our current players.

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