grizzoistight

and its a joke what the hawks are doin..
they have a top 5 arena and no one comes to watch!!
they have a horrible mix of players
and they have brought up 4 guys from the nbdl that is a joke!!!
i mean one maybe 2 at the most but 4!!!
who know what they are trying to do.. but i hate to say it they are worst than the bulls..

Vintage

Must you always insult other teams. Do you have anything knowledgeable you'd like to add to your posts. Or can we just expect the same crap continually.

Reef, Terry, Ratliff, Robinson underacheived. But they haven't played much with each other, thus not developing a rythym together. They also need a better coach.

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JarvisHayes24

..... and you're not even a Hawks fan. It's people like you who give fans a bad rap. You root for the up and coming teams at the moment, and when the Hawks get on top again, you'll have sweared you were a loyal Hawks fans.

Remember. It will feel that much sweeter to be a fan of the organization when they go all the way. How sweet it will be to win it all after living through all the miseries.

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What do you mean by "again?"

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Be easy on each other guys, sure the Hawks are very underacheiving, but not every scenario of good palyers will work.
Personally I think they need coaching, but I still find it hard to believe that a trio of GROB, REEF, and Terry cant get more wins.

GIve it time I suppose.

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MPK

exactly, the big 3 have underacheived, but the question should be asked: will they ever mesh and form a coesive unit that can make a run in the playoffs??

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JerryMaGuire

This is a great question. I believe that the HAWKS did not underachieve this season but rather were a poorly constructed unit from the outset. Therefore, I see no cohesion formulating the longer they play with each other.

Jason Terry: Tweener player that is exciting to watch yet is a shooting guard in a point guards body and as a result doesn't provide the necessary playmaking that this team needs.

Theo Ratliff: Great defensive presence center that has lost a step and has seemed to be pacing himself throughout this season to avoid further injury.

Shariff Abdul-Rahim: Versatile player that can play the 3 or 4 spots and is gifted offensively. Yet, no significant presence on the defensive end and like three other players in the starting line-up, commands the ball too much. As a result, he seems alittle lost when playing off the ball and watching Terry or Glen Robinson exhibit solitary offensive schemes rather than a team game.

Glenn Robinson: Streaky shooter that gets hot. Yet, horrible defensively and always seem a step slow when guarding small forwards in this league. Example: New Year's day embarashment where the rookie Caron Butler just lite him up on both ends of the court.

So, when looking at this team, the result is that there are four offensively gifted players that have trouble with team oriented ball movement and defensive schemes.

Conclusion: Babcock better stop firing coaches such as Lon Kruger and get busy this off season to revamp this team once again.

My approach: Keep Rahim who is already under contract and keep Terry who will be a restricted free. Trade either Robinson or Ratliff for a true first or second tier playmaker. Perhaps, the Bulls would be inclined to trade a tall PG like Crawford so that Terry could play more off the ball offensively and not be such a liability defensively since a taller PG like Jamal may be better adept at covering SGs in this league. Finally, no more embarashing promises to fans about making the playoffs. LOL!

BTW, I am not a HAWKS fan. So, if I said anything stupid, please don't hesistate to correct me.

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Nah, you got it good. Except we could never get a first tier play maker for Big Dog. Heck, I'd just be extatic if we could trade him for expiring contracts but even that is near impossible since nobody would want him and his salary. Same goes for Theo, not many teams will willing deal even talent for an injury prone shot blocker with little offensive game.

JerryMaGuire

LOL! I was hoping for HAWKS' fans that I got it wrong. Sounds pretty dismal.

Good luck.

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Its one thing for Bulls and Nuggets fans having young talent and draft picks to look forward to. But when you know you are probably going to have to sit with the same team for more years to come, its rough.

I think if we could trade GROB , we woiuld take anything. Hopefully Mark Cuban will someday lose him mind and trade for him. OTher then that all the other gms probably dont even consider. But maybe with the right coach next year, we can gel, and become what we thought wed be.

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MikeDC

Maybe a good coach who can command some respect and instill some defense can do it.

They might be wise to do something like try a Henderson for Jerome Williams and Mo Peterson trade. I could see that working for both sides. Henderson's contract is up two years before Williams' and he could give them the frontcourt help they need. They'll more likely than not be able to get replacement swing players in the draft.

Williams would bring toughness and Mo Pete would bring a nice scoring ability.

Not a big trade, but it's not a financial killer and it would be a step in the right direction for both teams.

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JerryMaGuire

No respectable coach is going there this summer. Not with management constantly flipping which course of action they want to pursue.

Also, I don't see Toronto pursuing that trade. Atlanta, I think, would jump all over it. But, Toronto will definately not trade Mo Pete and JYD for Henderson even when factoring in length of contracts.

BTW, I don't think that Atlanta even has its pick this summer to add the replacement swing players that you are referring to.

Lastly, why would Toronto trade Mo Pete and JYD for Henderson when they are not in any sort of a rebuilding mode yet. I thought they are waiting to play next season when hopefully everyone can remain healthy (i.e., Vince Carter, Davis, etc.)

JerryMaGuire

I agree. Hang in there. But, unfortunately, I don't see the right coach stepping into your situation given the fact that you guys are set with this roster without realistic moves.

BTW, any news on whether or not the HAWKS will keep Terry this summer. I know he is a restricted free agent but how much do you think the HAWKS are going to set as the limit in matching rights?

grizzoistight

i payed money to watch a couple games this year and its a waste of time..
the hawks had every single guy on the trading blocks
they are gonna cut their best up and coming guy in dermarr..
their gm is a joke and is booed at every game
they go through coaches like every other month
they are pittiful
they dont want to pay the players
the big 3 didnt underacheive
since when did terry do well in the playoffs?
since when did big dog do well?
since when did reef ever win??
its not underacheiving.. babcock has made some awful moves ..
the hawks are goin no where for a long time

MikeDC

On Toronto and Henderson for JYD, I see a couple benefits for the Raptors.

1. They need interior help. Aside from Antonio Davis, can you name anyone in the Raptors interior rotation? I can't.

2. Salary cap-wise, this helps the Raptors becaus of Henderson's shorter contract.

3. I'll concede that MoPete + JYD is probably asking for too much.

4. Just a straight up trade, of Henderson + JYD wouldn't be a rebuilding trade for the Raptors... if anything, I think it would help them now. They could start Davis, Henderson, Carter, Peterson, and Williams, which is a more balanced lineup than what they have now.

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