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Old 01-14-2013, 01:35 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: What's the Gameplan?

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I don't know what you would have to add to them, on both ends, because a straight-up swap leaves both teams unbalanced. However, Boston has a big hole at power forward and an old team that isn't a great match for Rondo's fast-break abilities. If you combine Rondo/Sullinger and Horford/Lou Williams and flesh it out with some minor picks and players you might make both teams better going forward.
I would truly prefer to keep Lou Will going forward, especially with a guy like Rondo coming in. We have a bunch of guards I would push first, Devin Harris (functional and would be a big expiring), John Jenkins, even Jeff Teague would be more expendable at that point IMO.
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Be bad enough next year to get a top 5 pick. Be bad enough in 2015 to get a top 10 pick. Be bad enough in 2016 to get a top 15 pick. Hope one of them is a superstar, and at least one other is an all-star. If draft picks do not pan out, then rinse repeat until it happens.
Hasn't that been what they've been doing prior to this last playoff stretch?


Guys like Lebron don't come around often, and even then its not like he panned out with his own team.

For every OKC there's a bunch of teams who have tried to tank to build through the draft and failed. And the players you do get become tired of losing and end up leaving before it can all come together.
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I would truly prefer to keep Lou Will going forward, especially with a guy like Rondo coming in. We have a bunch of guards I would push first, Devin Harris (functional and would be a big expiring), John Jenkins, even Jeff Teague would be more expendable at that point IMO.
I wouldn't mind Teague in Williams' place. That actually makes a good deal of sense.
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I knew there was a 90% chance you were going to point out this point. You and I have argued over this for years. I think he's more valuable at the 3-spot if you have a post-up 5 man like Big Al and a pick-and-pop 4-man like Horford.
Only way I could see it working (and I don't know how successful it would be every game), would be to have a guy who is a three point shooter playing the 4 spot. Bargs or Ryan Anderson type, stretches the floor and gives them shooting. Starting Teague/whoever/Smith/Horford/Al Jefferson would be brutal in terms of shooting the ball, bunch of slashers and jump shooters. It's too redundant from my perspective, but stranger things have happened I suppose.
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Hasn't that been what they've been doing prior to this last playoff stretch?


Guys like Lebron don't come around often, and even then its not like he panned out with his own team.

For every OKC there's a bunch of teams who have tried to tank to build through the draft and failed. And the players you do get become tired of losing and end up leaving before it can all come together.
To be fair, they drafted Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka; as well as drafting the guy they traded for Perkins. Add a league-average starting small forward to that group and it's still a perennial playoff squad with a punchers' chance. OKC did a lot of things right, but just drafting Durant.
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Starting Teague/whoever/Smith/Horford/Al Jefferson would be brutal in terms of shooting the ball, bunch of slashers and jump shooters. It's too redundant from my perspective, but stranger things have happened I suppose.
I'm not sure Teague would be a good choice at that spot, either. It would have to be a better shooter. I could see those 3 in the front court with Lou Williams (or Mo Williams, for that matter) and Korver/Morrow in the back court working very nicely. It would be an upgraded version of the current Bucks, basically.
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To be fair, they drafted Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka; as well as drafting the guy they traded for Perkins. Add a league-average starting small forward to that group and it's still a perennial playoff squad with a punchers' chance. OKC did a lot of things right, but just drafting Durant.
Oh I agree, that's why I brought it up. They fit the mold that ATLien brought up.

I'm just saying that for every shining example like OKC, there's a ton more cautionary tales of being a cellar dweller trying to build through the draft.
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I'm not sure Teague would be a good choice at that spot, either. It would have to be a better shooter. I could see those 3 in the front court with Lou Williams (or Mo Williams, for that matter) and Korver/Morrow in the back court working very nicely. It would be an upgraded version of the current Bucks, basically.
I don't see that Bucks comparison at all.
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I don't see that Bucks comparison at all.
Two guards (Jennings/Ellis vs Williams/Korver) who don't defend well but who provide all the shooting for the starting unit next to a forward tandem (Mbah a Moute/Sanders vs Josh/Horford) who both defend their positions well and provide intangibles and a 5th starter (Ilyasova/Big Al) who causes match-up problems for the opposition because he puts points on the board in unique ways. The difference would obviously be that the Hawks I am describing would be generally more versatile... ergo an upgrade on the current Bucks.

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The words/ideas match up, but the players do not from my perspective. Jennings/Ellis is nowhere near the same as Williams/Korber, even if they share some general faults. Just nowhere near the same thing, honestly. Teague/Lou Will is a much closer comparison. 3/4 on the Bucks do not match your idea of the 3/4 for the Hawks, other than some shotblocking. Moute and Sanders are not able to do the same things that Josh and Al do, so I think they are inherently incomparable for that reason.

I guess I now at least see what you are saying, but it's still not something I would agree with.
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Well, I agree with it... and that's the most important thing.
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With Lou Will out, should that change the way we approach the rest of this season? He was doing great things as a starter, so losing him is definitely deflating.

Lots of rumors about Josh Smith, I'm starting to hear Jeff Teague thrown around a bit more, and Horford is a guy a lot of other teams covet. We certainly have the pieces available to make some kind of trade (especially taking into consideration Devin Harris' expiring), I'm just not sure what's out there.
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Overcoming 27-point deficit is not something you see every week.

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