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06-22-2008, 09:52 AM
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Palindrome
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2008-09 home and homes
The rumor mill has the Dukes playing the Bonnies and Flyers home and home this coming season with the third school to be determined. Anyone else hear any gossip regarding the home and homes?
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06-22-2008, 02:02 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
Last I heard they were leaning to 3 tiers and you would play home and home with one team from each tier. They would try to "maximize" teams making the dance in the matchups.
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06-22-2008, 07:05 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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Originally Posted by spdram
Last I heard they were leaning to 3 tiers and you would play home and home with one team from each tier.
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Does this actually accomplish anything?
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06-22-2008, 07:28 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
if they wanted to maximize teams making the dance, then the top tier would play the lowest tierd teams the most. so 3 tiers makes no sense.
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06-22-2008, 07:32 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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Originally Posted by RDriesen05
if they wanted to maximize teams making the dance, then the top tier would play the lowest tierd teams the most. so 3 tiers makes no sense.
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not as long as the NCAA continues to use the RPI,
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06-22-2008, 08:40 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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not as long as the NCAA continues to use the RPI,
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Those extra three games won't matter near as much as the other 27.
The problem with tier scheduling is that you're never sure what teams will bring on a year by bear basis. If you have a top tier of 4 over the summer, chances are two of those teams will disappoint and mess up the tier system.
I'm really starting to hate the thought of any tier scheduling. Keep the rivalries and make the other 2 games random. That, or go back to the East/West split.
I don't think it's really worth the effort to make tiers. The cream will rise to the top.
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06-22-2008, 10:01 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
I've lost all desire to analyze the scheduling strategies after watching all of the ways you can get denied a spot. I don't agree with the weighting of the last 10 games in your schedule. Nothing officially trumps anything else in this "process". It comes down to too much subjectivity for my taste.
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06-23-2008, 12:29 AM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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Originally Posted by UMass87
not as long as the NCAA continues to use the RPI,
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wins matter the most in the rpi. and if everyone schedules the right way, FOR THEIR TEAM, then the rpi's will be just fine.
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07-01-2008, 08:25 PM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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wins matter the most in the rpi. and if everyone schedules the right way, FOR THEIR TEAM, then the rpi's will be just fine.
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Unfortunately, this is not correct. Your winning percentage is only 25% of the RPI...50% is your opponents record, the last 25 opponents-opponents record.
Thus, for a conference to get a high RPI, OOC wins are a must against anyone, as it will increase everyone's opponents records and opponents-opponents record. In the conference, however, you want to play the better teams more often as they account for 75% of your RPI.
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07-02-2008, 07:28 AM
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6th Man
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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Originally Posted by rogabee
Unfortunately, this is not correct. Your winning percentage is only 25% of the RPI...50% is your opponents record, the last 25 opponents-opponents record.
Thus, for a conference to get a high RPI, OOC wins are a must against anyone, as it will increase everyone's opponents records and opponents-opponents record. In the conference, however, you want to play the better teams more often as they account for 75% of your RPI.
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which is why wins matter the most. you need every team in the league to win as many games as possible in the non-conference portion (since you play more conference games than non-conference games). if that happens, everyones rpi will take care of itself. therefor, its most important for 4 or 5 teams to dominate the league (meaning wins matter the most). if you want multiple bids, its better if only 4 or 5 teams do really well, than for their to be a lot of parity. Thus, its better if the top teams play the bottom teams the most.
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07-02-2008, 07:48 AM
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Re: 2008-09 home and homes
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Originally Posted by rogabee
Unfortunately, this is not correct. Your winning percentage is only 25% of the RPI...50% is your opponents record, the last 25 opponents-opponents record.
Thus, for a conference to get a high RPI, OOC wins are a must against anyone, as it will increase everyone's opponents records and opponents-opponents record. In the conference, however, you want to play the better teams more often as they account for 75% of your RPI.
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You are technically correct, but in practice your own winning percentage is crucially important. By the end of the season, every team's opponents' opponents winning percentage converges around the .500 mark. It ends up having very little influence on relative RPIs. To a lesser degree, every team's opponents' record also narrows to a fairly tight range. Individual team records, however, vary to a much greater extent. That is why your opponents' records, even though they constitute 50% of the formula, usually have a lesser impact on your overall RPI (at least relative to other teams) than your own record.
Although RDriesen is certainly correct, we all want to see all A10 teams win as much as possible OOC.
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07-02-2008, 02:01 PM
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