xudash

What I find very interesting about all this is the fact that Dayton hasn't gone through a coaching loss - with Gregory - because of its lack of real success. Dayton has not been on the national radar screen in a meaningful way for years and it isn't there now. It's still clawing its way to some level of national visibility. It's beginning to surface on some pre-season stuff for the coming season and all such press is good, but only the end results matter.

With that noted, we have Dayton fans - many now blocked in my case - who do absolutely obsess with everything Xavier: coaching change, assistant coaching transitions, a 16 year old young man who just verballed to Xavier, 18 year old young men who didn't for their good reasons, Sean Miller's pay package, etc.

Here is the thing: I'm not going to 'peacock' the Flagship thing; I'll simply state that Xavier has performed admirably for the benefit of itself and this conference on a consistent basis since becoming a member of it. More to the ultimate point of this post, it has done so having transitioned through a rather remarkable number of head coaching changes while improving and strengthening the program along the way. It is purely anectdotal, but someone on one of Xavier's boards linked to a thread on a Purdue board where their classy fans acknowledged regret for not having been able to sign Darwin Davis while acknowledging Xavier as a national program and the fact that he'll do well at X. Xavier will continue to rise with Mack (and Kelsey) at the helm, along with the other members of Mack's talented staff. Bobinski hasn't failed yet and every indication is that he hasn't done so this time.

The point here is where will Dayton end up? If this is the year Dayton breaks through and actually gets itself to at the least the round of S16 - and mind you anything short of that is unacceptable as far as this conversation goes - will Gregory be sufficiently noticed and lured away?

Dayton has to get there first. Why some of its fans attempt to suggest that Xavier isn't doing this or that effectively with its program is remarkable. Three - 3 - S16's this decade with two of them leading to E8's and some idiot Flyer fans think they are positioned at some relevant vantage point to question Xavier's performance or program actions. That is remarkable given Dayton's very obvious lack of relevant accomplishments, which has led to a lack of experience in dealing with coaching transitions.

Dayton's program could actually succeed to a point it used to know decades ago, only to find itself in the "our coach is getting serious interest from BCS School XYZ" mode. If you think that Gregory is your 'Few' you are sadly mistaken. Xavier's program is much more nationally recognized and attractive than Dayton's program - period, end of story. Miller truly loved Xavier. But these guys are highly, highly competitive and they are motivated by money, visibility and success. Had Calipari and Matta not picked up the phone and told Sean to leave he may very well have stayed at X, at least for a couple or few more years. But he moved on - after the Arizona AD sweetened the deal. He moved on for the money. Gregory will do the same, especially if it gets him out of the city of Dayton.

And so to the ultimate point here: Dayton has not had the best track record in terms of replacing its coaches, certainly since the Donoher debacle. Dayton's program must succeed this year in order to even begin thinking about catching up with Xavier; Dayton has at least the S16's and E8's to bag to really get into the conversation. Then, if and when Gregory leaves as a result of that success, Dayton has to find the right next guy, go through its own continuity disruption, and keep the ball rolling.

Xavier's program has succeeded at a high level and through coaching changes. It will continue to do so with this one. Dayton has yet to succeed at a high level, let alone successfully navigate a coaching change brought on by success - you have a lot to live through before your comments about Xavier carry any weight with Xavier fans. Besides, the heat lamp actually is turning up on the Dayton program - anything less than a S16 appearance for UD this year will be an abject failure for the UD program. If you want to talk big and/or bark at X, then put up, or shut up.

Muddy Waters

Excellent post xudash - I can't dispute anything you've written above.

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udflyerfan06

I agree with most of that post XUdash but I take exception to a few small things...

MUST UD make the S16 this year or E8? I don't think so. I'd say it's a MUST that we at least make the NCAA. After that, it's all about seeding and matchups. Switch UD and X's position in the NCAA last year and there's probably a better then 50/50 chance that UD makes the S16 and X gets bounced by Kansas...we'll never know but the point is, once in the NCAA matchups and seeding dictate a ton. Ya,usually the Elite 8 all deserve to be there and certainly the Final 4 but up until then it's anybody's game.

The obsession with X is nothing new to rivalries in sports my friend. Go to an NFL board and watch the carnage that is the Packers/Bears...MLB Cubs/Cards, OSU/Mich...ect, ect, ect. Look at your own board at Xavierhoops....everytime UD signs,gets a verbal, or farts, it's posted over there by an X fan...you guys don't do that for Richmond, nor would i expect you too. Also, this offseason has been a little more unique BECAUSE of the changes at X. If all was in order at X (miller stays, DB stays, Parrom commits) then this off season would be ho hum but I think most UD fans feel that the door has been opened for the A10 title this year. I've said it before, if the shoes were reversed this offseason we'd be hearing sweep again all day long. UD returns 4 starters and we are deep all over, that's a fact....so it's exciting for us right now. It's been since BG's first season that we had this many seniors on the team and this much depth.

All in all, it's good for the rivalry and good for the A10 that X and UD are at least competitive with each other again.

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Chetburger

Id be MORE than happy with just making the second round again this year. It had been 19 years since we won a tourney game. Lets not pencil us into the Final Four just yet. Baby steps. Lets prove we can win in the tournament consistently. THEN we can prove we can go deep. But Im not against going deep this year either.

Considering we won 26 games last year, smoked Marquette and a cpl others, and basically were the last team invited to the NCAA tournament, I think Dayton is a bubble team this year. Its getting to the point where any non BCS school is a bubble team no matter what they do. Xavier has a reputation that gets them cushion votes Dayton is still trying to earn. Gonzaga gets cushion votes. Had Dayton been named Xavier last year, UD would have probably been a 7-9 seed. Perception means something. Past performance means something. Its not supposed to, but it does.

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StealthBomber

Look at how far we have come. The new taunt is; "You can't make the Sweet 16". It's a sign of the new reality.

Until we establish a solid reputation, just getting in the tournament is going to take some sterling seasons. We are not a lock to make it this year, but I think we have as good or better odds as any team in the A10 based on our "knowns" going into this season. That is showing up in the preseason predictions of the pundits.

If you want to be the champions, you have to keep proving it. The only thing that the last 10 years buys you is a little extra consideration with the selection committee. Be grateful for that. In the meantime, your new recruit is still a midget.

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Muddy Waters

Interesting discussion on the Flyers' post-season expectations in March 2010.



Good of you to put the thread back on topic, Stealth - well done.

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X-man47

While I hesitate to inject myself into this absolutely absurd "debate" between a couple of Xavier supporters and the "cryer quintet" and their assorted hangers-on in cryerland, I read and contribute to the XavierHoops board quite frequently. I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to that board. Please give some examples; a casual glance shows virtually nothing on that board that relates to the cryers.

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udflyerfan06

Ummm...did u even look, or was it that casual of a glance...i just checked...there are 2 threads on the first page of the A10 section on your board...one when we got Parker (the last commit we got) and one about delusional UD fans. Now go to your main board and take a look at ANY of the threads dealing with the preseason rankings and look what you find....that's right...utter disgust (no suprise) and discussion about UD. I'm sure as soon as we get another commit it will be posted by an X fan minutes after it's revealed...you count on that like taxes and death.

I'm not knocking your board, I read it all the time...just saying, it's a rivalry...you guys care much more about who UD is signing then Duke or for that matter any of the bottom feeders in the A10. Its the same on the UD boards....but to act like the obsession is one sided wouldn't be true to say. I know an X fan that follows UD basketball about as closely as he does X basketball. It's not hard to figure out...45 min apart, same conf, competeing for the same recruits, ect.

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X-man47

I just checked the Xavier board on XavierHoops and the only string on the first page was about Lunardi's seeding and nary a mention of the Flyers. On the A10 XavierHoops board (which I rarely read), there was a string on a UD signing but at least half the posts seemed to applaud the signing. The string on "delusional" UD fans had a grand total of 9 posts, half of which had nothing to do with UD. There is no one, I repeat no one, as obsessed with UD as the cryer losers who post incessantly to this board on all things Xavier. It is so unhealthy that I have the entire quintet on "Ignore"; there is nothing that they have ever posted to this board that would merit taking even a nanosecond to read. I'm giving serious thought to adding you to the list. Why can't more Flyer fans be like Adam or Chet?

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kellernr

Thats the A-10 section. Theres stuff about every A-10 teams recruits. There only a total of 12 replies about parker signing. Also theres 3 threads back to back to back about UD and the Parker signing and Chris Wright. Those 3 threads only had a total of 38 responses and then they were done. You and Muddy continue to drag these threads out forever by posting useless links and stupid info.


Im need a bottle of whiskey

Muddy Waters

Please keep us updated with the Deveroes Stats for Xavier's players.

That thread was fun.

Also, if it isn't too much trouble, would you also post the Deveroes Stats for LaSalle HS's 5'-5" Jordan Crawford ? I want to keep track of how many games that Xavier's Jordan Crawford out-scores LaSalle HS's Jordan Crawford. They drew 7-all in their first games.

Thank you very much kellernr.

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kellernr

Id post the ud stats for you but no one wanted to come down and play. I cant wait for Jordan Crawford (XU) to drop 30 in the route XU is going to put on ud this year.

kellernr

Heres the stats for the rest of the DSL muddy.

http://www.greatercincinnatisportswo...x_06_21_09.doc

udflyerfan06

30? How about we make a bet on that.....considering your NBA player for this year put what? 19 on us last year in a loss......well, we now know one X fan that has deemed JC literally JC......

this is seriously something a 14 year old would say. You might be going to the DSL but I'm willing to wager that you are riding with your Papa to the gym with program in hand.

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kellernr

Its not often that you can say that XU lost to ud. Like how you threw that one in there. Still havent won in cincy since 1981. I'll bet you that streak stays alive