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Old 10-13-2009, 03:51 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Dayton Daily News coverage of the Flyers Media Day:


UD's Lowery Begins Road Back (DDN - October 13, 2009)

Expectations High for Wright (DDN - October 13, 2009)

NCAA Tourney Win Leaves Flyers Wanting More (DDN - October 12, 2009)

29 Media Day Photos (DDN - October 12, 2009)


I would also like to thank Flying Elvis for his excellent Dayton Flyers 2009-10 Preview on another thread.

Excellent work, Elvis !
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There was one interesting difference between Elvis's Preview and the Media Day Notes. Elvis quite reasonably had Devin Searcy starting at PF and Chris Wright at SF.

The Media Day Notes has Chris Wright starting at PF and Chris Johnson starting at SF (although he is listed as a 6'-6" guard).

Chris Johnson has certainly earned a spot in the starting line-up, but I still expect to see Devin Searcy, Josh Benson, and Matt Kavanaugh get a significant amount of playing time in 2009-10.

A key to the Flyers success during the non-conference part of the schedule will be the ability of Mickey Perry to effectively play the reserve point guard position during Rob Lowery's recovery / rehabilitation.

PROBABLE STARTING FIVE (Page 1 of the Media Day Notes)

Pos. No. Name PPG, RPG, APG / MISC

G 1 London Warren (Sr., 6-0, Jacksonville, FL) 4.1, 2.8, 4.4 / 1.6 spg, 2.33 a/t ratio

G 4 Chris Johnson (So., 6-6, Columbus, OH) 6.3, 5.2, 0.6, / 72 off reb, .772 FT%

G 32 Marcus Johnson (Sr., 6-3, Cleveland, OH) 11.8, 3.1, 1.5 / 28.3 mpg, .360 3-pt%

F 33 Chris Wright (Jr., 6-8, Trotwood, OH) 13.3, 6.6, 0.9 / 1.3 bpg, .478 FG%

F 41 Kurt Huelsman (Sr., 6-10, St. Henry, OH) 3.6, 4.1, 0.7 / 0.6 bpg, 21.9 mpg

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I think Chris Johnson and Chris Wright is a much better lineup than Chris Wright and Devin Searcy.

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I think Chris Johnson and Chris Wright is a much better lineup than Chris Wright and Devin Searcy.

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Without question having the 2 Chris's on the floor at the same time is an interesting lineup the only problem is neither are very good on the ball defenders and both are foul prone because they are so aggressive offensively. BG will tinker with his options in replacing Charlie...I see Devin remaining as Kurt's backup.
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Yes, in my review, I admit that I have difficulty knowing exactly how our starting line-up will look at the beginning of the season, considering Little's departure. I thought they were more likely to fill it with a big man, but maybe that isn't the case. Putting CW at the four, and getting CJ in the line-up probably gets our best talent (as we know it now) on the floor together.

Searcy is a defacto-guess based on seniority. I don't think he has a good chance of being a starter. I think the starting line-up decision is down the road, after about a month of practice.

One thing I am confident in, is that wholesale substitutions are going to be a way of life again. It's about sustaining the energy level.

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I believe we offered Devin Oliver
There may be some more news about this fairly soon.

Oliver has been flying under the national recruiting radar, but he is a baller who can shoot and defend well.


Devin Oliver (Rivals.com profile)

Oliver's Recruitment Hits New Peak (Matt Schwade - Premium Article - October 15, 2009)


Kalamazoo Central's Oliver is Dazzling (mlive.com - January 30, 2009) Excerpt:

Kalamazoo Central junior wing Devin Oliver is 6-foot-5 with a reach more proportionate to a 7-footer.

His long arms and quick feet make him a pest on defense. His smooth, left-handed shooting touch makes him effective from long range, and his wiry body and long strides allow him to slice through the lane and get to the rim with ease.

"I ask him, when he's out there, 'I need you to never take a play off.' Not just by scoring and passing the ball, but defensively," K-Central coach Mike Thomas said of Oliver, who totaled a game-high 25 points on 11-of-14 shooting, including a trio of 3-pointers and a handful of tip-ins. Oliver also pulled down a game-high six rebounds.

"One of the things I must point out is, he's averaging about six steals a game. That's amazing, to be at his size, to be all over the court. That's what I ask him to do -- just bust your butt on defense.




Kalamazoo Central's Devin Oliver breaks loose for an open lefthanded dunk early in the second quarter of Thursday's game against Mattawan. Oliver scored 25 points in the Maroon Giants' win.

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He sounds a lot like Chris Johnson, who also flew under the national recruiting radar before being named to the Atlantic 10 All-Newcomer Team.

Watch this space.

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So, about this Devin Oliver...

The first thing I look at when evaluating potential recruits is competing scholarship offers. There are conflicting reports, but it looks like Oliver has only been offered two scholarships: Western Michigan (where both his parents played) and Dayton. He has received "interest" from Michigan and has attended at least one of their development/recruiting camps. From reading some Michigan fan sites, I get the feeling that the Michigan coaches like the player but view him more as a recruited walk-on than a scholarship player. From that perspective, I do wonder if Devin Oliver is good enough to be considered A10-starter quality as a prospect.

The second thing I'll do, if I can, is trust my own lying eyes. I found a stream of Oliver's high school team playing in the Michigan state semi-finals (you can watch it here for free: http://mhsaa.tv/events/6063 ) from last spring. Also playing in this game was another Dayton prospect, Matt Kamieniecki, who was recruited by our staff (but was probably not offered a schollie and ended up committing to Ball State in the MAC). Both Oliver and Kamieniecki were juniors at the time, and another prospect of note, Doug Anderson, was a senior playing on Oliver's team (Kalamazoo). Anderson ended up committing to a JUCO, probably due to grades.

What I found really interesting in this game was the contrast between these three high school players:

Kamieniecki is a 6'7" post player with tenacity and toughness, obviously well-coached, and more than willing to get floor burns. But he is also athletically limited and probably just undersized enough to be a non-factor in a High Major DivI conference. Case in point: Kamieniecki had one of his jump shots from around the free throw line blocked back into his face in this game. And to be truthful, he is a lot like a number of post players Dayton has had over the years: Keith Waleskowski and Andy Meyer come to mind.

Doug Anderson is a 6'5" burly power forward with high major athleticism but limited skills. He is known for spectacular dunks and not much else. Basically, he is Charles Little.

Devin Oliver is listed at 6'5" and you can see from the game that he is a touch shorter than Kamieniecki but also taller than Anderson. Anderson is probably not 6'5", so the 6'5" height listing for Oliver is probably pretty good (and I realize all of these heights are inflated/measured with shoes, etc.)

Oliver's game is very different from either Kamieniecki or Anderson--he's much more of a perimeter player and ball handler. If I had to sum up what I saw in that game from Oliver is that he did a little bit of everything, and flashed true talent in most areas. He passed well around the perimeter and made sound decisions to find the open man. He defended well with a number of deflections and a steal or two. He rebounded well when he ventured into the paint. He took only a couple of jump shots, but made an NBA-range three-pointer look effortless. He drove to the hoop with a decent-to-good looking handle, but picked up a couple of charges. He didn't jump out of the gym, but with his arm length and glide he can finish well above the rim.

However, throughout the game I got the impression he was a complementary player and was not the focal point for his team. In a game that does not feature elite talent, a high major recruit should dominate play. And if I had to guess, I think this is why Oliver has gotten interest from high major schools but no offers. They probably see him as a role player without eye-popping athleticism or a single dominant skill.

So why did BG offer him? This is pure conjecture on my part, but I think BG is once again shifting the talent on the Flyers roster. His first makeover was to get really athletic, and he sacrificed height and ball skills to get it. Charles Little, London Warren, Marcus Johnson, Chris Wright are all super athletes who struggle with high skill aspects of the game (namely shooting). I think BG realized a couple of years ago that a roster lacking skills is easy to defend in A10 league play where the rest of the coaches know all of your weaknesses.

Starting with last year's frosh, BG has dialed back on the athleticism and upped the emphasis on offensive skills. But since Gregory will NEVER sacrifice defense for offense, he has looked for players with either the quicks to pressure the ball or really long-limbs that can be used to extend defensive pressure and snag rebounds. Paul Williams, Luke Fabrizius, Josh Benson, Chris Johnson...none of them are the level of athletes that Marcus Johnson or Chris Wright are, but they all have really long arms. Josh Parker, Juwan Staten, Jesse Berry are short and without freakish arm length, but they should be high energy pest-types at pressuring the opposing point guard up the floor and thereby contribute to the defensive scheme.

So, bringing this back to Devin Oliver. Based on that one game of film study, I think he is probably offensively skilled and I know he has great arm length for a perimeter player (he would be a perfect fit at guard in John Chaney's old matchup zone). It seems to me he would fit in well with the new roster that BG is trying to build. He may never be a starter or anything other than a role player, but if he can defend and contribute offensively, I think he would play and hold his own in the A10. BG could just get guys like Oliver's teammate, Doug Anderson, and replace what Charles Little gave us, but he's moving away from that. He could also have offered a guy like Matt Kamieniecki to give us more rugged toughness, but I think he's looking for more now.
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So, about this Devin Oliver...

it looks like Oliver has only been offered two scholarships: Western Michigan (where both his parents played) and Dayton.
According to Steve Bell at BankHoops.com, Butler offered Devin Oliver at the beginning of August, just after the AAU season ended. Rivals.com also lists Devin's offer from Butler.


Those of you who follow Michigan HS basketball already know who Steve Bell is. For the rest of you who may be interested:

About the 2006 Camp Directors:

Stephen Bell has published The Bank: The Michigan High School Basketball Player Databank for ten years and also writes a basketball recruiting blog for MLive. He is formerly the Michigan editor for the Hoop Scoop and the original publisher of Michigan Preps. He is an Associated Press and Michigan Press Association award-winning sports writer for the Petoskey News-Review. Bell is a native of Holland, Michigan.


BankHoops 2010 Michigan HS Prospect Rankings (Steve Bell - April 23, 2009)

Wing

1. Trey Zeigler 6-5 Mount Pleasant
2. Devin Oliver 6-5 Kalamazoo Central
3. Roy Marble Jr. 6-5 Southfield-Lathrup Iowa
4. Patrick O'Brien 6-3 Flint Powers
5. Josh Herbeck 6-5 Ann Arbor Richard
6. Austin Semple 6-6 Zeeland West
7. Lanier Brown 6-5 Detroit Cass Tech
8. Chris Anderson 6-5 Muskegon Reeths-Puffer Toledo
9. Justin Edmonds 6-4 Albion
10. Mitchel Vallie 6-4 Goodrich

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He may never be a starter or anything other than a role player, but if he can defend and contribute offensively, I think he would play and hold his own in the A10.
I hate to disagree with you Paris, but with SFs Chris Johnson and Luke Fabrizius on the roster and a number of highly-touted Class of 2011 SFs publicly expressing interest in Dayton, Brian Gregory doesn't need a 2010 SF. Therefore, it stands to reason that BG would only offer Devin Oliver a scholarship if he thought that the kid had a real chance of developing into a very high-calibre player.


Atlantic 10: 2009-10 Predicted Order of Finish (A10 MB thread)

Gary Parrish and Blue Ribbon both rank Butler # 11 in their 2009-10 preseason rankings.

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Got him !


FlyerHoops.net homepage


Oliver Excited to be a Flyer (Matt Schwade, FlyerHoops.net - October 18, 2009)

Edit: Paris, in the article above, Matt Schwade says Devin Oliver is a 6'-7" wing.


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Interesting get. He reminds me a lot of a larger Ramod Marshall with his thin frame, gliding style and long arms.

2010 - 2011 UD roster so far, assuming no losses (Wright to NBA?), and taking my best guesses at position.

pg - Juwan Staten (FR), Josh Parker (Jr)
sg - Paul Williams (JR), Jesse Berry (FR), Brandon Spearman (FR)
sf - Chris Johnson (JR), Ralph Hill (FR), Devin Oliver (FR)
pf - Chris Wright (SR), Josh Benson (RS-SO), Luke Fabrizius (JR)
c - Matt Kavanaugh (SO), Devin Searcy (SR)

It's really futile to try and decide positions, because a lot of these guys can play at least 2 spots. The big question now is if Chris Wright leaves early to go pro. I don't think anyone can say for sure now, but it will, of course have a huge impact on our team next year. I think I heard that if Wright stays, Oliver is likely to redshirt.

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Muddy, do you have any info on if Devin is still growing? I wouldn't be surprised in the least to hear that he is.

I'm happy with this commit. I found this article on the web: Two special siblings, one extraordinary bond and it warmed my old crusty heart. One of my favorite things about BG is that he recruits really good kids.
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[QUOTE=Muddy Waters;6083886]According to Steve Bell at BankHoops.com, Butler offered Devin Oliver at the beginning of August, just after the AAU season ended. Rivals.com also lists Devin's offer from Butler.


Correct:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...r_recruit.html
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Elvis, keep your fingers crossed any time you type Chris Wright and 2010 - 2011 UD roster in the same post. If Wright has the kind of junior-year season that many of us are expecting from him, he's gone.


Congratulations to Coach Gregory and his hard-working staff on a very good pick-up for the Flyers !


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Flyers Land Another Recruit

By Doug Harris | Sunday, October 18, 2009, 05:43 PM


Devin Oliver, a 6-foot-6 perimeter player from Kalamazoo, Michigan, has accepted a scholarship offer from Dayton, becoming the fifth member of the Flyers’ 2010 recruiting class.

Oliver, who led Kalamazoo Central High School to a state runner-up finish last season, averaged about 18 points and eight rebounds. He also had offers from Iowa, Butler and hometown Western Michigan.

Considered an athletic wing player, Oliver claimed the Flyers’ final scholarship in the ‘10 class. Guards Juwan Staten, Brandon Spearman, Jesse Berry and forward Ralph Hill also have made verbal commitments to UD.

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Dayton Adds Fifth Commitment (Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting - October 18, 2009)


Oliver Earns Opportunity He's Wanted (Matt Schwade, FlyerHoops.net - October 18, 2009)

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Interesting get. He reminds me a lot of a larger Ramod Marshall with his thin frame, gliding style and long arms.

2010 - 2011 UD roster so far, assuming no losses (Wright to NBA?), and taking my best guesses at position.

pg - Juwan Staten (FR), Josh Parker (Jr)
sg - Paul Williams (JR), Jesse Berry (FR), Brandon Spearman (FR)
sf - Chris Johnson (JR), Ralph Hill (FR), Devin Oliver (FR)
pf - Chris Wright (SR), Josh Benson (RS-SO), Luke Fabrizius (JR)
c - Matt Kavanaugh (SO), Devin Searcy (SR)

It's really futile to try and decide positions, because a lot of these guys can play at least 2 spots. The big question now is if Chris Wright leaves early to go pro. I don't think anyone can say for sure now, but it will, of course have a huge impact on our team next year. I think I heard that if Wright stays, Oliver is likely to redshirt.
I like this pick-up. There are lots of conflicting reports on Olivers height. That looks like it could be a good shooting team in 2010.

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Interesting get. He reminds me a lot of a larger Ramod Marshall with his thin frame, gliding style and long arms.

2010 - 2011 UD roster so far, assuming no losses (Wright to NBA?), and taking my best guesses at position.

pg - Juwan Staten (FR), Josh Parker (Jr)
sg - Paul Williams (JR), Jesse Berry (FR), Brandon Spearman (FR)
sf - Chris Johnson (JR), Ralph Hill (FR), Devin Oliver (FR)
pf - Chris Wright (SR), Josh Benson (RS-SO), Luke Fabrizius (JR)
c - Matt Kavanaugh (SO), Devin Searcy (SR)

It's really futile to try and decide positions, because a lot of these guys can play at least 2 spots. The big question now is if Chris Wright leaves early to go pro. I don't think anyone can say for sure now, but it will, of course have a huge impact on our team next year. I think I heard that if Wright stays, Oliver is likely to redshirt.

Sounds like a smart kid. Apparently he told BG and Matt Schwade that IF Wright stays then he is willing to red shirt his first year.
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Sounds like a good pickup at this point. Who knows really. Sounds like he's def 6'5" if not taller. He's been listed as tall as 6'7" and looks like he's thin but can play the 2 but more likely a 3 that can really extend the defense. Plays for a good high school program too against quality competition in the state of Michigan. Third player out of Michigan in the last 3 years for BG. According to Rivals offers from Butler, Iowa, Western Kentucky and SMU. USC, Wisconsin, and Michigan all had scheduled visits to Kalamazoo if reports are to be believed.
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