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paulxu · 08-23-2012, 10:28 AM

I would think that immediate playing time was a big factor in Matt Howard's decision to attend Butler.
I think his first season was 2007-08, and he averaged over 24 minutes a game.

In that year Xavier was playing Josh Duncan, Derrick Brown, CJ Anderson, BJ Raymond and Jason Love.

I suspect he would have found it difficult to get the same number of minutes.

Going to Butler helped him have a great 4 year career.

Flyer75 · 08-23-2012, 11:19 AM

Oh so wait??? Huh?? Playing time does matter at times??? I never knew that.

xavierhoops · 08-23-2012, 01:09 PM

Flyer, you stated that a few pages ago in response to my question, and it has been discussed in the pages since. Not sure where you were trying to go with that last post?

paulxu · 08-23-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

Oh so wait??? Huh?? Playing time does matter at times??? I never knew that.

I was noting this informatiom because of the comment below. I don't think there was a lot of playing time available to Howard his first year.

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Originally Posted by uddunk

Matt Howard stated both X and Butler had great coaching staffs and playing time available just prior to when he made his college selection.

uddunk · 08-23-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

I would think that immediate playing time was a big factor in Matt Howard's decision to attend Butler.
I think his first season was 2007-08, and he averaged over 24 minutes a game.

In that year Xavier was playing Josh Duncan, Derrick Brown, CJ Anderson, BJ Raymond and Jason Love.

I suspect he would have found it difficult to get the same number of minutes.

Going to Butler helped him have a great 4 year career.

Per Howard's interview with Xavier Rivals, he was promised Doellman's minutes. In retrospect, your argument appears stronger than it probably was at the time. Doellman (27 mpg), Cage (30.7 mpg) and Cole (17.1 mpg) were departing. Duncan (19.3 mpg, 9.3pg) Brown (16.9 mpg 6.3 pg) could be looked on as ahead of Howard, Love (4.0 mpg 1.1 pg) certainly had not impressed, nor had BJ Raymond (13 mpg 4.1pg) who did not play Howard's position to my knowledge, and CJ Anderson was an incoming transfer and question mark. Apparently Howard believed minutes were available as he stated such in the interview.

uddunk · 08-23-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xavierhoops

Uh, my list wasn't a "narrow" list. I, in fact, listed location. I didn't list facilities and fans as I was specifically comparing Xavier and Dayton. Both have very similar facilities and fan support.

But facilites and fan support is one of your arguments for Butler over Xavier. What planet do you live on, exactly?

I never stated that anyone would pick Butler over Xavier on any of the listed factors. I merely listed factors that a player might consider in making a decision between 2 schools.

xavierhoops · 08-23-2012, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uddunk

I never stated that anyone would pick Butler over Xavier on any of the listed factors. I merely listed factors that a player might consider in making a decision between 2 schools.

All of which were included in my "narrow" list, or neutral, when comparing Xavier and Dayton.

Title_BU · 08-23-2012, 02:17 PM

Mixing in something actually pertinent to the thread...

@prepbullseye Butler is still very much involved w/ a couple of Chicago area grds in 2013: 6'0 CG Kyle Davis & 6'2 PG Jaylon Tate. 12:38 PM - 23 Aug 12 via web

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And something that is about as on-topic as the past three pages...

Hinkle Fieldhouse's 30 million dollar project

Flyer75 · 08-23-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Title_BU

Mixing in something actually pertinent to the thread...

@prepbullseye Butler is still very much involved w/ a couple of Chicago area grds in 2013: 6'0 CG Kyle Davis & 6'2 PG Jaylon Tate. 12:38 PM - 23 Aug 12 via web

-------------------------------------------

And something that is about as on-topic as the past three pages...

Hinkle Fieldhouse's 30 million dollar project

And I thought Frease only tore up the water fountain.....

Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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paulxu · 08-25-2012, 05:42 AM

Well, it's possible that this quote has been edited right off this forum. I can't seem to find it anymore.

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters
Xavier has a history of hiding unpalatable truths and instead, putting bogus, self-serving information into the public domain

More importantly, has anyone emailed the AD at Dayton to correct this unpalatable truth, and remove bogus, self-serving information from the public domain? What was his answer?

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Originally Posted by paulxu

On the University of Dayton's official website, we find this entry under Josh Benson's page:

After his final season at Dunbar, Benson was named to the AP Ohio Division II First Team and also picked up Southwest District Player of the Year honors. He was rated No. 31 amongst power forwards in his class by ESPN.com. while leading Dunbar to its second straight state championship.

On ESPN's website we find he was actually the #32 rated power forward:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...ght=&x=56&y=15

Could somebody with a little time on their hands send an email to the AD at UD about this?

MudFlap · 08-25-2012, 08:30 AM

Wonder what it cost to fix one of these? 30-40 bucks? OH MY GOD! Call the CIA!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMMERCIAL-H...item4abb136146

xavierhoops · 08-25-2012, 09:33 AM

We should all be outraged. Clearly, the UD athletic department is deliberately "hiding unpalatable truths" and "putting bogus information in the public domain."

Muddy, I trust you will be e-mailing the UD SID immediately. Also, did you ever send your apology email to Tom Eiser for maliciously and falsely accusing him of lying on Xavier's website?

College Hoops · 08-25-2012, 11:48 AM

There seem to be some pretty decent recruiting prospects with ties to Canada. I wonder if UD's Pierre has close ties to any of them?

Flyer75 · 08-25-2012, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MudFlap

Wonder what it cost to fix one of these? 30-40 bucks? OH MY GOD! Call the CIA!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMMERCIAL-H...item4abb136146

My goodness you guys are wound so tight right now you can't even see (or read) sarcasm....

On another note College Hoops on Pierre, according to some tweets the other day, he's back in Canada at some training camp for the men's national team.

DistrictBaller · 08-26-2012, 07:11 PM

2013 Kyle Davis committed to Dayton per Brian Snow of Scout.com

Scout and Rivals 4-star, 2-stars on ESPN.

Scout: http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75...=1&nid=5521274
Rivals: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...e-Davis-126292
ESPN: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...197/kyle-davis

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“I committed to Dayton today,” said Davis.

He continued, “I committed to Dayton because after sitting down with my family and talking to Coach Nick (Irvin), the decision was based on which school was best for me. They play my style of play and I have the opportunity to come in and do big things because they lost their starting point guard Kevin Dillard.”

According to Davis he feels his style fits in well with what the Flyers are doing on the floor under Miller’s leadership.

“It is actually a very good style for me,” said Davis. “I have seen a few of their games, and they get up and down the court. Coach Archie Miller lets his guards play and it is a great fit.”

For Davis he was out to prove all summer long that he is indeed a point guard and not a shooting guard. He feels he did that and he can prove it while on the floor for the Flyers.

“Over the last year I really stepped my game up a lot and showed people that I am on my way to being a point guard so people will stop saying I am a shooting guard,” said Davis. “I just wanted to show people I am a real point guard.”

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1215048.html

08-23-2012, 10:28 AM	#2926 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,358 Rep Power: 309022	Re: Dayton Recruiting I would think that immediate playing time was a big factor in Matt Howard's decision to attend Butler. I think his first season was 2007-08, and he averaged over 24 minutes a game. In that year Xavier was playing Josh Duncan, Derrick Brown, CJ Anderson, BJ Raymond and Jason Love. I suspect he would have found it difficult to get the same number of minutes. Going to Butler helped him have a great 4 year career. __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

08-23-2012, 11:19 AM	#2927 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,833 Rep Power: 37278	Re: Dayton Recruiting Oh so wait??? Huh?? Playing time does matter at times??? I never knew that.

08-23-2012, 01:09 PM	#2928 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 864 Rep Power: 260320	Re: Dayton Recruiting Flyer, you stated that a few pages ago in response to my question, and it has been discussed in the pages since. Not sure where you were trying to go with that last post? __________________ Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

08-23-2012, 02:17 PM	#2933 (permalink)
Title_BU 6th Man Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 335 Rep Power: 7011	Re: Dayton Recruiting Mixing in something actually pertinent to the thread... @prepbullseye Butler is still very much involved w/ a couple of Chicago area grds in 2013: 6'0 CG Kyle Davis & 6'2 PG Jaylon Tate. 12:38 PM - 23 Aug 12 via web ------------------------------------------- And something that is about as on-topic as the past three pages... Hinkle Fieldhouse's 30 million dollar project

08-25-2012, 08:30 AM	#2936 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,607 Rep Power: 150436	Re: Dayton Recruiting Wonder what it cost to fix one of these? 30-40 bucks? OH MY GOD! Call the CIA!!! http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMMERCIAL-H...item4abb136146

08-25-2012, 09:33 AM	#2937 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 864 Rep Power: 260320	Re: Dayton Recruiting We should all be outraged. Clearly, the UD athletic department is deliberately "hiding unpalatable truths" and "putting bogus information in the public domain." Muddy, I trust you will be e-mailing the UD SID immediately. Also, did you ever send your apology email to Tom Eiser for maliciously and falsely accusing him of lying on Xavier's website? __________________ Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

08-25-2012, 11:48 AM	#2938 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 336 Rep Power: 8224	Re: Dayton Recruiting There seem to be some pretty decent recruiting prospects with ties to Canada. I wonder if UD's Pierre has close ties to any of them?

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