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Old 07-03-2009, 09:00 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Hey now. I went to HS in Cincinnati. My only problem was that I sucked. I walked on at UD and ended up starting some games along side Mike Skovic. I don't think I could have started on a Div III school in the country. I love UD.
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Xavier fans like to talk up the fact that they recruit "outside the area". This makes me laugh. Xavier recruits outside this area because UC dominates recruiting in Cincinnati and UD dominates recruiting in Dayton. The UC phenomenon is interesting. XU can outperform them in every way, and the people of Cincinnati still love the Bearcats. UC can go out and recruit chainsaw murderers and child rapists, but people in Cincinnati still want them to beat the tar out of X and the press down there loves to write about it. Doug Harris is a good example of what happens when a town just loves their local University. Yes, our paper actually writes about our players, coaches and possible recruits. X gets some grudging attention from a paper that loves UC.

The fact is, if XU wants to have a consistant stream of good players coming in, they have to look outside the immediate area. They have no choice. There are plenty of excellent players in SW Ohio, but XU doesn't have the type of access to them that UD and UC have. The way they handled Graves didn't help them in that department. Players in Cincy don't take them seriously anymore. Gregory is very wise to have created the pipeline he has in Dayton. You have an extra edge with kids who love their hometown. That is why he has been able to bring the program back online as quickly as he has. That hometown core of players begins to attract some good talent outside of Dayton after time. But, really it isn't necessary to look too far outside of the immediate midwest. There is enough talent around here to take you to the top of our conference if you can tap into the right guys.

Remember how "bigtime" Thor felt when you got one player from the New York area and then he later screwed you? Well, the guy who was recruiting for you there thinks that you are a "Buick" now.

Now are you going to get excited and tell me about Atlanta? Yeah, that's because you can't recruit in Cincinnati.

It looks like Mack is taking your international recruiting efforts all the way to Indiana. Pack your passport.
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Well, it's been how many years since oompa loompa took over? Could he only win with OP's recruits? Time will obviously tell but one good year of recruits doesn't convince me that UD is catching up especially when 40% of that class could be local kids that want to stay close to home.
So BG hasn't produced a winning team the last 2 years here at UD??? ya, I know that isn't much to hang a hat on but OP players are long gone from UD at this point. Do you not realize that X and UD as it stands today are pretty much at the same point in competiveness. We split last year and looks like that will be the norm for the next 3-4 years at least. I fully expect UD and X to wage war for A10 supremacy over the next 3-4 years, The last 40 years don't matter, the last 20 years don't matter, the last 10 years don't matter...it's history! Do you think 10 years ago matter to OSU/Mich right now? Of course not, OSU is waxing them right now. RIGHT NOW, X and UD are pretty even on paper (and I'm being generous to X there if you take what the national writers are saying).

[/QUOTE]BTW, if Staten and Payne weren't from Dayton there is no way UD is even in the picture. It's good that they are but I don't think you can dispute it.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to argue against this but it's quite frankly a moot point. There's no point in even arguing it. It's like me saying "gee, look at how fortunate X has been in the demise of IU basketball." Or "look how lucky X got that Samson also screwed up Oklahoma basketball and DL fell in your lap" or same for Robinson....it happened, X was fortunate, but it happened. Not to mention BG grabbing PW from Michigan, Berry from Indiana, Roberts from Akron, Johnson from Columbus, MJ from Cleveland, Searcy from Michigan and in heavily on a Top 100 from Chicago. I'm pleased at this point.
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Xavier fans like to talk up the fact that they recruit "outside the area". This makes me laugh. Xavier recruits outside this area because UC dominates recruiting in Cincinnati and UD dominates recruiting in Dayton. The UC phenomenon is interesting. XU can outperform them in every way, and the people of Cincinnati still love the Bearcats. UC can go out and recruit chainsaw murderers and child rapists, but people in Cincinnati still want them to beat the tar out of X and the press down there loves to write about it. Doug Harris is a good example of what happens when a town just loves their local University. Yes, our paper actually writes about our players, coaches and possible recruits. X gets some grudging attention from a paper that loves UC.

The fact is, if XU wants to have a consistant stream of good players coming in, they have to look outside the immediate area. They have no choice. There are plenty of excellent players in SW Ohio, but XU doesn't have the type of access to them that UD and UC have. The way they handled Graves didn't help them in that department. Players in Cincy don't take them seriously anymore. Gregory is very wise to have created the pipeline he has in Dayton. You have an extra edge with kids who love their hometown. That is why he has been able to bring the program back online as quickly as he has. That hometown core of players begins to attract some good talent outside of Dayton after time. But, really it isn't necessary to look too far outside of the immediate midwest. There is enough talent around here to take you to the top of our conference if you can tap into the right guys.

Remember how "bigtime" Thor felt when you got one player from the New York area and then he later screwed you? Well, the guy who was recruiting for you there thinks that you are a "Buick" now.

Now are you going to get excited and tell me about Atlanta? Yeah, that's because you can't recruit in Cincinnati.

It looks like Mack is taking your international recruiting efforts all the way to Indiana. Pack your passport.
The loathing that the people of Cincinnati have for Xavier is entertaining to me.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Wright Still Thinks Highly of Dayton (Doug Harris, DDN - July 3, 2009) Excerpt:

Cameron Wright, a Cleveland Benedictine High School guard, is giving Dayton serious consideration while also weighing scholarship offers from Indiana, Wisconsin, Akron, Cleveland State, and Ohio U.

He visited UD last month and said he was “shocked” to see the big-time facilities and enjoyed his tour of the campus and time spent with the coaches.

Speaking with the Dayton Daily News on Thursday, the 6-foot-5 senior-to-be said nothing’s changed.

“I feel the same way about Dayton. I still like them a lot. I’m still in deep thought, just not ready to make my decision yet,” Wright said.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Analyst sings praises of UD recruit, says Payne has work to do (Doug Harris, DDN - June 24, 2009)

(Rivals.com recruiting analyst Jerry Meyer on Juwan Stanten and Adreian Payne.)


Amar'e Stoudemire Nike Skills Academy (ESPN - July 2, 2009) Excerpt:

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1. Adreian Payne, 2010 (Dayton, Ohio/Jefferson)


Although Payne's offensive game needs polishing, his defensive presence was outstanding. Because of his length, extremely long arms and extraordinary, quick leaping ability, Payne was tough to score against. He needs to gain a considerable amount of weight and overall strength to combat getting pushed around, but his ability to cover ground in the paint and contest both shots and passes coming into the post was special.



Adreian Payne is considering Ohio State, Cincinnati and Dayton, among others.


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Top-100 Recruit Likes Flyers (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 25, 2009)

(Article about Brandon Spearman)


Flyers Going After Guards (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 27, 2009)

(Article about Jalen Steele, Jesse Berry, Brandon Spearman, and Cameron Wright)


Flyers aim for a great class (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 28, 2009)

(Article about Jesse Berry, Jalen Steele, and Brandon Spearman)


Dayton Flyers 2009-10 Depth Chart with 2008-09 Scoring (5 Seniors):

PG: London Warren (6-0 Sr./ 4.1 PPG), Rob Lowery (6-2 Sr./ 7.5 PPG)
SG: Marcus Johnson (6-3 Sr./ 11.8 PPG), Mickey Perry (6-2 Sr./ 4.6 PPG), Paul Williams (6-4 Soph./ 2.2 PPG)
SF: Chris Wright (6-8 Jr./ 13.3 PPG), Chris Johnson (6-5 Soph./ 6.3 PPG), Luke Fabrizius (6-9 Soph./ 4.3 PPG)
PF: Devin Searcy (6-10 Jr./ 2.8 PPG), Josh Benson (6-10 Fr./ DNP)
C: Kurt Huelsman (6-10 Sr./ 3.6 PPG), Matt Kavanaugh (6-10 Fr./ DNP)

Brian Gregory has 6 scholarships available for the 2010 Class (the 5 present seniors plus Stephen Thomas’ scholarship) and the following wish list:

1 point guard
1 shooting guard
2 combo guards
1 combo forward
Adreian Payne

The point guard scholarship went to Juwan Staten.

At the present time, Brandon Spearman and Jalen Steele are the front-runners for the shooting guard scholarship.

Both combo guard scholarships have now been awarded, the first going to Drake transfer Josh Parker, who will be a junior in 2010-11 (Josh Parker video) and the second to Jesse Berry.

The combo forward scholarship went to Ralph Hill, who appears to be a slightly bigger version of multi-skilled, athletic Chris Johnson. Brian Gregory was in early on both Ralph Hill and Chris Johnson, and both flew under the national radar (i.e. head coaches of BCS-conference schools and the basketball recruiting websites) before committing to Dayton. As you recall, Chris Johnson was named to the Atlantic 10 All-Rookie team in March 2009, which was quite an accomplishment for a reserve SF playing behind Chris Wright. At 6’-5” Chris Johnson is quite capable of playing the SG position against opponents’ taller SGs. Brian Gregory is very keen to stock his roster with players who can play 2 positions – “interchangeable parts” as he calls them – and is doing a great job of so.

The sixth and final scholarship available for 2010 is being held for PF/C Adreian Payne, who may or may not commit to Dayton. As many of you know already, Payne is still very raw, but has incredible upside potential. If Payne commits elsewhere, Brian Gregory may hold the scholarship for a big man in the HS Class of 2011 or offer it to Corey Petros, who visited UD last weekend.

PF # 2 Adreian Payne (Rivals.com)

PF # 7 Adreian Payne (ESPN / Scouts Inc.)

C # 4 Adreian Payne (Scout.com)


It is relevant to ask how much UD’s recruiting has improved since Brian Gregory was named head coach of the Dayton Flyers.

This question is best answered by looking at the last two recruiting classes that were signed by Oliver Purnell before he left for Clemson:

University of Dayton Prospects: HS Class of 2002 (Scout.com)

University of Dayton Prospects: HS Class of 2003 (Scout.com)


If Chris Wright has a monster season in 2009-10 (i.e. 18 PPG, 8 RPG, 50% FGs, and 40% from 3-point range) he may well forego his senior year at UD and head to the NBA a year early as a first-round draft pick. However, given the very strong field of players who will likely be in the 2010 NBA Draft, coupled with Derrick Brown's disappointing # 40 selection in the 2009 NBA Draft, I consider it far more likely that Wright will play his senior year at UD.

If Wright does leave early for the NBA, the Flyers will still have junior Chris Johnson, junior Luke Fabrizius, and freshman Ralph Hill available to man the 3-spot in 2010-11. This means that Brian Gregory will not find himself in Chris Mack's situation of having to waste a valuable scholarship on a career pine-jockey in a desperate attempt to fill a hole in the roster after the unexpected departure of the team's best player.


Dayton has not passed Xavier as a program yet, but as each season goes by, Brian Gregory has been building a stronger roster and closing the gap between the Flyers and the Musketeers. I believe it is likely that the Flyers will win the Atlantic 10 Conference this season and continue to improve relative to Xavier and the rest of the Atlantic 10 basketball teams. However, that is only one man's humble opinion. As always, we'll see . . .


Related Threads:

PG Chooses Dayton (Juwan Staten) (Atlantic 10 MB thread started February 27, 2008)

Spring Period Signings in the A-10 (Josh Parker) (Atlantic 10 MB thread started April 18, 2009)

Ralph Hill, 2010 SF commits to Dayton (Atlantic 10 MB thread started April 28, 2009)

Class of 2010: ESPNU Super 60 (Juwan Staten) (Atlantic 10 MB thread started May 1, 2009)

Overview of Your Team Next Year (Atlantic 10 MB thread started May 20, 2009)


Dayton vs. Xavier in 2009-10 (Atlantic 10 MB thread started May 29, 2009)

2009-10 Preseason Rankings (Atlantic 10 MB thread started June 16, 2009)

July 2009: AAU Tournaments and Evaluation Period (Atlantic 10 MB thread started June 26, 2009)

2010 NBA Draft (Atlantic 10 MB thread started June 26, 2009)

Berry to Dayton (Atlantic 10 MB thread started July 2, 2009)




Atlantic 10 Commitments: HS Class of 2008 (ESPN / Scouts Inc.)


Atlantic 10 Commitments: HS Class of 2009 (ESPN / Scouts Inc.)

Atlantic 10 Commitments: HS Class of 2010 (ESPN / Scouts Inc.)
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Here is an update on Cameron Wright fron the Dayton Daily:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...highly_of.html
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Here's an update on Scout's Top100. I guess they weren't as impressed with Staten as the rest of you. I can't believe they omitted Berry and somehow snuck Latham back up to a 4 star and in the Top100


http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75...pid=88&yr=2010

Go figure.

BTW, where is Spearman on this list too? HMM
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Here's an update on Scout's Top100. I guess they weren't as impressed with Staten as the rest of you. I can't believe they omitted Berry and somehow snuck Latham back up to a 4 star and in the Top100


http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75...pid=88&yr=2010

Go figure.

BTW, where is Spearman on this list too? HMM
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

More about the recruitment of Brandon Spearman and Adreian Payne on FlyerHoops.net

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Looks like that pipe dream class is taking a huge hit. Top 10nationally is now becoming top10 in the A10 (maybe)! 1 Top100 recruit and a wishful Spearman ain't gonna land the cryers on any lists.

http://dayton.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=1080&fid=1286

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Snow has had so many conflicting reports on Payne that I don't think he knows what to think anymore. Snow has just about covered every base in his opinion of where AP would end up over the last year. I don't think that Payne likes to talk about his recruiting process, and that puts the recruiting analysts in a run-around situation. I don't think anyone would be shocked if AP doesn't go to UD. He does seem to be one of the most highly sought after guys in the country. All of the highly prized local guys to go to UD recently put the idea in the minds of UD fans, but we won't get every big fish in the town.
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