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Old 07-10-2009, 09:54 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I agree completely. Although I would wonder what he was thinking if he did it, I'd laugh my a$$ hoarse at this. Reason being is that statement is true. Most of those UD fans who duck WSU can't even figure out a real reason why.

It's kinda like excuses for Operation Freedom saying there's WMD's in Iraq, not finding any, then saying they were part of 911 because the WMD's weren't there, then it was about liberating the Iraquis form a dictator because no 911 conspirators were from Iraq.

Next thing you know there wil be an announcement about the resumption of the game underneath a 'Mission Accomplished' banner....
As if you're not normally embarassing enough to yourself, you bring up the ridiculous discussion of UD/WSU, politics and then mis-spell 'Iraqis'...please stop.
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Old 07-11-2009, 05:31 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

If you think I'm worried about embarassing myself on a faceless forum, you're dead wrong.

As for my bit, I was trying to say that the reasons are myopic at best as to why we don't play WSU. It would be like X dropping UC so they could add another buy game so the soccer team can get new cleats. Xavier doesn't have to bear the burden of carrying the pail for the entire athletic department like we do and has the additonal crutch that is football. If we droppec football, we could schedule like the big boys, and bringing WSU on possibly every other year would work.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Gentlemen,

This is a Dayton Flyers Recruiting thread.

If you want to discuss Wright State, that's fine by me, but do it on another thread so that those of us who have no interest whatsoever in reading anything about Wright State can just ignore the thread.

Thank you very much.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Benedictine senior Cameron Wright back in the college recruiting game (Cleveland Plain Dealer - July 9, 2009)

The 6-4 guard was the only Northeast Ohio product among the 80 players (only four from Ohio) at the King City Classic at the Wolstein Center this week. More than 100 college coaches watched, virtually all the big names such as North Carolina's Roy Williams, West Virginia's Bob Huggins, Florida's Billy Donovan and the Buckeyes' Thad Matta.

"My phone has been ringing from coaches who haven't called before," said Benedictine coach Rob Stircula, mentioning calls from Georgia Tech, Minnesota and Notre Dame.

It's believed that Wright has received offers from Indiana and Wisconsin of the Big Ten. He mentioned Dayton, Notre Dame and Cleveland State also catching his interest. Most Mid-American Conference schools would love to sign him.

"I am wide open right now," said Wright, who said that the Buckeyes' interest in him faded after assistant coach John Groce said goodbye to Columbus to become the head coach at Ohio
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Gentlemen,

This is a Dayton Flyers Recruiting thread.

If you want to discuss Wright State, that's fine by me, but do it on another thread so that those of us who have no interest whatsoever in reading anything about Wright State can just ignore the thread.

Thank you very much.
However, it is also an acceptable place to bash writers who report what they are told.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Snow's reporting on Payne has been comical. He desperately wants to come off as the most informed analyst on this recruitment, but his insistance on taking everything word for word when Payne opens his mouth makes him look like a chicken running around with his head cut off. He is convinced that UD fans don't give much credibilty to the day-to-day reporting on him because of our desire to see Payne at UD. But the reality is that Payne is notoriously unpredictable from day-to-day in his comments of his recruitment, and hanging on his every word will run you in a circle. After some time, Snows comments just become noise.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

It's Simple with Payne (Matt Schwade, FlyerHoops.net - July 13, 2009)

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Re: Dayton Recruiting

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Top-100 Recruit Likes Flyers (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 25, 2009)

(Article about Brandon Spearman)


Flyers Going After Guards (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 27, 2009)

(Article about Jalen Steele, Jesse Berry, Brandon Spearman, and Cameron Wright)


Flyers aim for a great class (Doug Harris, Dayton Daily News - June 28, 2009)

(Article about Jesse Berry, Jalen Steele, and Brandon Spearman)


Dayton Flyers 2009-10 Depth Chart with 2008-09 Scoring (5 Seniors):

PG: London Warren (6-0 Sr./ 4.1 PPG), Rob Lowery (6-2 Sr./ 7.5 PPG)
SG: Marcus Johnson (6-3 Sr./ 11.8 PPG), Mickey Perry (6-2 Sr./ 4.6 PPG), Paul Williams (6-4 Soph./ 2.2 PPG)
SF: Chris Wright (6-8 Jr./ 13.3 PPG), Chris Johnson (6-5 Soph./ 6.3 PPG), Luke Fabrizius (6-9 Soph./ 4.3 PPG)
PF: Devin Searcy (6-10 Jr./ 2.8 PPG), Josh Benson (6-10 Fr./ DNP)
C: Kurt Huelsman (6-10 Sr./ 3.6 PPG), Matt Kavanaugh (6-10 Fr./ DNP)

Brian Gregory has 6 scholarships available for the 2010 Class (the 5 present seniors plus Stephen Thomas’ scholarship) and the following wish list:

1 point guard
1 shooting guard
2 combo guards
1 combo forward
Adreian Payne

The point guard scholarship went to Juwan Staten.

At the present time, Brandon Spearman and Jalen Steele are the front-runners for the shooting guard scholarship.

Both combo guard scholarships have now been awarded, the first going to Drake transfer Josh Parker, who will be a junior in 2010-11 (Josh Parker video) and the second to Jesse Berry.

The combo forward scholarship went to Ralph Hill, who appears to be a slightly bigger version of multi-skilled, athletic Chris Johnson. Brian Gregory was in early on both Ralph Hill and Chris Johnson, and both flew under the national radar (i.e. head coaches of BCS-conference schools and the basketball recruiting websites) before committing to Dayton. As you recall, Chris Johnson was named to the Atlantic 10 All-Rookie team in March 2009, which was quite an accomplishment for a reserve SF playing behind Chris Wright. At 6’-5” Chris Johnson is quite capable of playing the SG position against opponents’ taller SGs. Brian Gregory is very keen to stock his roster with players who can play 2 positions – “interchangeable parts” as he calls them – and is doing a great job of so.

The sixth and final scholarship available for 2010 is being held for PF/C Adreian Payne, who may or may not commit to Dayton. As many of you know already, Payne is still very raw, but has incredible upside potential. If Payne commits elsewhere, Brian Gregory may hold the scholarship for a big man in the HS Class of 2011 or offer it to Corey Petros, who visited UD last weekend.

PF # 2 Adreian Payne (Rivals.com)

PF # 7 Adreian Payne (ESPN / Scouts Inc.)

C # 4 Adreian Payne (Scout.com)
Having your top 4 guards graduate in the same year is a basketball coach's worst nightmare.

But Brian Gregory sucessfully landed his first choice for a point guard, his first choice for a shooting guard in Brandon Spearman, and his first two choices in combo guards.

Add to that Gregory's first choice in a combo forward in one Ralph Hill, and Gregory is now 5-for-5 in landing the players he really wanted to add to the Dayton Flyers' Roster.

You can't ask for any better than that.

Getting a commitment from Adreian Payne would be some real icing on the cake.
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Going 5/5 isn't always a great thing. Why not aim higher and try to recruit top50 kids instead of targeting unranked kids and hoping they pan out. Although it looks like a very good class, Spearman is now only ranked in the top100 in one service and that's exactly at 100 after falling from the 70's.
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Although it looks like a very good class, Spearman is now only ranked in the top100 in one service and that's exactly at 100 after falling from the 70's.
if anything, when it comes to rankings Juwan Staten is way underranked...all he has done is lead All Ohio Red to AAU title after title and all along the way embarass any and all comers trying to stop him. Additionally, many believe Jesse Berry described as a scoring PG (big time scorer) is also undervalued (I'm 1 of those)...I still can't believe Gregory pulled that heist off...
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

Part of me hesitates to feed this thread, but for the edification of Dayton fans, you might like this piece.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chic...ls-future.html
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Re: Dayton Recruiting

For those of you looking for a basketball fix with a hint of that "creepy guy in the park" feeling, you can watch All-Ohio Red play this Sunday at 7:30 on ESPNU. Juwan Staten, UD target Adreian Payne, OSU signees Jared Sullinger and Aaron Craft all play for Red.

ESPNU will have coverage of the entire event from 5-9, if you really have nothing to do.
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Payne Gives New List?

So a day after telling Brian Snow as well as other reporters that his list didn't include any Ohio schools besides maybe OSU, Payne gives a different list to different reporters today.

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As for Payne, he told some of us Wednesday he is down to eight schools but Ohio State was the only Ohio school still on his list. That tune changed earlier today, when he gave some reporters this list: Akron, Dayton, Xavier, Ohio State, Arizona and Kentucky.

One "informed source" told Bucknuts they find it hard to believe West Virginia -- which is making a MAJOR push in Ohio under former UC coach Bob Huggins -- will not be a factor for Payne. Stay tuned as this one plays out.

Meyer's Mailbag: A Closer Look at the Nation's Best (Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com - July 22, 2009)

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Does West Virginia have any chance of signing 2010 top prospect Adreian Payne? Does he make WVU a serious contender in the loaded Big East if he signs?

-- Bruce from St. Albans, W.Va.

"West Virginia definitely has a chance to sign Payne. He recently said that he wanted to attend school outside the state of Ohio, and based on what coaches were watching his games at the Peach Jam, I'd handicap West Virginia, Michigan State and Kentucky as favorites to land him.

Payne would help any team become a better contender for a conference title, but he isn't the type of producer to consistently take over games. There are times when Payne is the most dominant player on the court, but there are more times when he is a great role player and other times when he disappears.

He has enormous potential, but it is more likely that he will achieve it later than sooner. Nonetheless, he has the length, athleticism and developing skill game to help make any team in the country better the second he steps onto the court."
Jerry may have missed the boat on this one, as he referred to the bogus line that Adreian Payne fed to Brian Snow and others on ONE occassion."

We'll see, Jerry.

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I have followed Adreian Payne's recruitment in much greater detail than most of you, so here is my humble but informed opinion:

(1) Payne isn't going to a MAC school, so Akron is out.

(2) Payne has said repeatedly that his grandmother is the most important person in his life and that she wants him to stay near home so that she can attend his games, so Arizona is out.

(3) Payne has said that Ohio State has stopped recruiting him, so the Buckeyes are apparently out.

(4) Payne has taken unofficial visits to Michigan State and Kentucky, and both are making very strong recruiting efforts for his services. (Yesterday, Brian Gregory and Tom Izzo sat next to each other while watching Adreian Payne play in the LeBron James’ King City Classic in Cleveland.) If Payne commits to a BCS-conference school, I believe that it will be either Michigan State or Kentucky.

(5) Xavier is out. Payne has regularly been attending the Flyers' home games for the past two seasons and is always very welcome in their locker room after the games. Payne frequently practices with the Flyers in open-gym sessions at UD and they all know each other quite well. Adreian Payne is Chris Wright's cousin and a close friend of AAU teammate Juwan Staten. Payne knows Juwan's father Bill Staten very well (“I’m probably around Adreian more than any other adult, other than his family and maybe his coach"). Adreian Payne is not going to commit to Dayton's # 1 rival, so Buick Mack is wasting his time if he is still recruiting Payne.

(6) West Virginia is out.

The Flyers kicked the Mountaineers' butts in the NCAA Tournament.

The Mountaineers' coach is as sleazy as they come.

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Bottom line: my best guess is that in September, Adreian Payne will commit to Dayton over Michigan State and Kentucky.
The only thing that I know for certain is that if Adreian Payne commits to UD, Brian Snow will **** himself.


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Meyer's Mailbag: A Closer Look at the Nation's Best (Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com - July 22, 2009)



Jerry may have missed the boat on this one, as he referred to the bogus line that Adreian Payne fed to Brian Snow and others on ONE occassion."

We'll see, Jerry.



The only thing that I know for certain is that if Adreian Payne commits to UD, Brian Snow will **** himself.
Muddy are you willing to leave for one year if Payne doesn't commit to Dayton? I am if the opposite is true.

Quit fooling yourself. Payne wants to get the hell out of Dayton. Seriously, everyone does.

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Re: Dayton Recruiting

xu95, here are Muddy’s latest odds (updated today):

Dayton: 25 %
Michigan State: 20 %
Kentucky: 20 %
West Virginia: 20 %
Ohio State: 15 %
Akron: 0 %
Arizona: 0 %
Xavier: 0 %

Total: 100 %

Therefore, while I consider Dayton to be the frontrunner for signing Payne, it is my opinion that there is only a 1-in-4 chance of that actually happening. The probabilities listed above imply that there is a 40 % chance that Payne will play for a school in Ohio and a 60 % chance that he will play for a school outside of Ohio.

The NCAA Rules allow a prospect to take 6 official visits (i.e. paid for by the University, and only after the autumn school term begins) and Payne has stated on a couple of occasions that he plans to take all 6 official visits before he makes a decision. If Payne sticks to that, we should know which 6 schools he intends to visit by early September, and he should announce his decision by the end of October.

Then again, Adreian Payne might do something else.

The early signing date for National Letters of Intent for HS Class of 2010 prospects is in early November 2009. A lot can happen between now and then.

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