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A10fan2 · 07-23-2009, 07:17 AM

Way to avoid the question MW/Prop/2link. No way does MW risk losing his last bastion of delusion. Why he even bothered to put Ariz,Akron, and X in his %'s is further proof of his fixation on all things Xavier.

I actually hope that he does commit to the cryers because X's championships will be even sweeter then. These guys are already predicting the best back court in the A10 for years to come.

**xu95** · 07-28-2009, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

xu95, here are Muddy’s latest odds (updated today):

Dayton: 25 %
Michigan State: 20 %
Kentucky: 20 %
West Virginia: 20 %
Ohio State: 15 %
Akron: 0 %
Arizona: 0 %
Xavier: 0 %

Total: 100 %

Therefore, while I consider Dayton to be the frontrunner for signing Payne, it is my opinion that there is only a 1-in-4 chance of that actually happening. The probabilities listed above imply that there is a 40 % chance that Payne will play for a school in Ohio and a 60 % chance that he will play for a school outside of Ohio.

The NCAA Rules allow a prospect to take 6 official visits (i.e. paid for by the University, and only after the autumn school term begins) and Payne has stated on a couple of occasions that he plans to take all 6 official visits before he makes a decision. If Payne sticks to that, we should know which 6 schools he intends to visit by early September, and he should announce his decision by the end of October.

Then again, Adreian Payne might do something else.

The early signing date for National Letters of Intent for HS Class of 2010 prospects is in early November 2009. A lot can happen between now and then.

Funnier things have not been said. I will update your odds for you

Dayton 0%
Michigan State: 20 %
Dayton 0%
Kentucky: 20 % Actually it should be 30%
Dayton 0%
West Virginia: 20 %It should be 30%
Dayton 0%
Ohio State: 15 %
Dayton 0%
Akron: 0 %
Dayton 0%
Arizona: 0 % I'm going to say they have a better chance than Dayton since they are still on his list. That would make it >0%
Dayton 0%
Xavier: 0 %
Dayton 0%

A10fan2 · 07-28-2009, 09:45 AM

I'm shocked he hasn't updated his %'s yet. Muddy is usually all over this type of information. He keeps tabs and updates all of the X and cryer recruits. What happened?

X-man47 · 07-28-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xu95

Funnier things have not been said. I will update your odds for you

Dayton 0%
Michigan State: 20 %
Dayton 0%
Kentucky: 20 % Actually it should be 30%
Dayton 0%
West Virginia: 20 %It should be 30%
Dayton 0%
Ohio State: 15 %
Dayton 0%
Akron: 0 %
Dayton 0%
Arizona: 0 % I'm going to say they have a better chance than Dayton since they are still on his list. That would make it >0%
Dayton 0%
Xavier: 0 %
Dayton 0%

While I hesitate to enter this "debate", I do wonder where the other 25% (if not UA) are. By your list, it would appear that AP is still hiding his true list of potential schools because his remaining five schools only total a 75% chance of his going in your list.

Muddy Waters · 07-29-2009, 08:06 AM

Posted on the "Rick Majerus" thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Factor on July 29, 2009

However, UD was put on probation by the NCAA for 3 years within the past decade.

That is embarrassing.

X Factor,

While your post was factually correct, it didn't have anything to do with Rick Majerus. It was not exactly a "current news" item either, as the offense occured 11 years ago:

NCAA Tells Dayton It Must Pay Price For Its Violations (Los Angeles Times - April 19, 2000)

The NCAA put Dayton's basketball program on three years' probation Tuesday on violations that included loans a university trustee made to the father of a recruit.

The recruit, 6-foot-6 freshman Brooks Hall, helped lead the Flyers to the NCAA tournament this season.

The NCAA limited to 12 the scholarships it can offer for the 2001-02 academic year and to four the number of expenses-paid recruiting visits in 2000-01. Penalties could have included a ban on televised appearances and postseason play.

Coach Oliver Purnell said he didn't think the sanctions will affect the competitiveness of the team, which was 22-9 and lost to Purdue, 62-61, in the first round of the NCAA tournament.

"It's not a happy day for the university, but we are glad that this chapter is behind us and now we can move forward while learning from this situation," he said.

The NCAA said university trustee Clayton Mathile made personal loans totaling $32,000 to Chuck Hall, the father of Brooks, in August and September of 1998.
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Perhaps you can move forward as well.

X Factor · 07-29-2009, 09:17 AM

Muddy, I can move on, but can you? You always dredge up old threads (ie. the "Stan says..." thread) every few months just to get people going.

If this kid ends up at SLU, then yes, they deserve to be blasted. I was just pointing that UD hasn't been a sqeaky clean program themselves while SLU hasn't done anything wrong, yet. It does look bad on the surface though, if Majerus is still actively recruiting him.

**xu95** · 07-29-2009, 09:39 AM

The sad part is that they got put on probation for paying for a sub par player. It isn't like they bought Michael Jordan.

xu95

SquidLegs · 07-29-2009, 09:44 AM

UD self-reported the incident. Sounds shady to me. What other sub par player would you like to compare stats with? Brooks Hall vs. ??

A10fan2 · 07-29-2009, 10:36 AM

95 didn't mean sub par he meant su par! All cryers have been su par since they joined the A10.

StealthBomber · 07-29-2009, 11:22 AM

At least students were not planning on protesting this only to have the University quash it.

Quote:

Student safety concerns derail demonstration
Brian Bowsher, Patrick Stevenson, Matthew finger
Staff

A demonstration planned by a group of Xavier students concerned with recent developments involving rape on campus was cancelled at the recommendation of university officials over concerns for student safety.

The demonstration, scheduled for the Dec. 5 men’s basketball game against Detroit, was to involve students holding signs reading “Xavier can stop rape” during the first time out of the game. The event was planned in the wake of a number of recent rape allegations.

Senior Jessie Fullenkamp, who helped organize the demonstration, stated that the event was not in response to any particular rape case. Rather, the demonstration was intended as an effort to help raise awareness of rape issues on campus.
Controversy has swelled recently as a result of increased reports of rape on campus. High profile cases involving junior C.J. Anderson and senior Michael Walker have grabbed the attention of the Xavier community.

The Anderson case in particular has raised questions about Xavier’s policies on rape and sexual violence. A judicial review board recommended Anderson’s expulsion in early October, however, that decision was later reversed on appeal.

http://www.xavier.edu/newswire/editi...1213/front.htm

A10fan2 · 07-29-2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Factor

Muddy, I can move on, but can you? You always dredge up old threads (ie. the "Stan says..." thread) every few months just to get people going.

If this kid ends up at SLU, then yes, they deserve to be blasted. I was just pointing that UD hasn't been a sqeaky clean program themselves while SLU hasn't done anything wrong, yet. It does look bad on the surface though, if Majerus is still actively recruiting him.

X Factor, don't forget about Stealth! He has a whole library put together of anything that has to do with Xavier. Reference the above post about a player that is no longer in the program. They always say "next year" but realize it never materializes so they go back to the tried or worn out.

SquidLegs · 07-29-2009, 12:59 PM

Quote:

A demonstration planned by a group of Xavier students concerned with recent developments involving rape on campus was cancelled at the recommendation of university officials over concerns for student safety.

The demonstration, scheduled for the Dec. 5 men’s basketball game against Detroit, was to involve students holding signs reading “Xavier can stop rape” during the first time out of the game. The event was planned in the wake of a number of recent rape allegations.

It's good to see how concerned X is with student safety. It could be really dangerous for students to hold up signs at a time out. Thank God they stopped that for the good of the students themselves.

And kudos to the appeal board for overturning the judicial review boards decision. Xavier really needed extra scoring punch, and that had not been considered by the judicial review board.

X Factor · 07-31-2009, 06:04 PM

From Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com national basketball recruiting analyst.

Meyer's Mailbag

Quote:

Leaving Ohio?
When did Adreian Payne say he wanted to play outside of Ohio? Not saying that he didn't, but if he had the entire city of Dayton would have exploded when he said that, and I haven't heard a thing mentioned about it.

-- Alan from Dayton, Ohio
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Payne told Rivals.com's Brian Snow in early July at the King City Classic that he wanted to go to school outside the state of Ohio. Then this past week in Orlando, Fla., he told Snow that he is down to a final list of Kentucky, Michigan State, Arizona, West Virginia and Kansas.

Although Payne has not publicly named a leader, there is a lot of talk that Kentucky is the team to beat at this point.

Where has Alan from Dayton been?

Snow knows more about recruiting than you Flyer dorks, but you just couldn't wrap your minds around the fact that Payne wanted to get the heck out of Dayton.

**xu95** · 07-31-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X Factor

From Jerry Meyer, Rivals.com national basketball recruiting analyst.

Meyer's Mailbag

Where has Alan from Dayton been?

Snow knows more about recruiting than you Flyer dorks, but you just couldn't wrap your minds around the fact that Payne wanted to get the heck out of Dayton.

They still don't want to admit that Snow is a ton more accurate than Matt Schwade (or however the hell you say his name). Maybe Payne didn't tell him he wanted out of Ohio because he didn't want to see a grown man cry.

xu95

AdamtheFlyer · 08-01-2009, 06:16 AM

I don't think anyone has said that someone was more accurate than anyone else regarding Payne. When you're reporting conflicting information every two days you're going to be questioned. That's how it works. His last report turned out to be pretty accurate, which is good. But do I also get credit for finding my keys in the last place I look after an hour of frustrated searching? The credit he gets is in his hard work and dedication to his job. That's admirable.

It was obvious to many people in and around the situation that Payne was going to choose either UD, WVU, or Kentucky months ago. The type of kid Adreian is, the coaches he and his family seemed to like best, the fact that with these schools his grandma can attend many games a year...it wasn't a secret. Snow had to see the same things. I just wish he would have brought that levelheadedness when he punched in on the timeclock instead of running around to multiple message boards posting info that left himself chasing his tail.

07-29-2009, 09:17 AM	#81 (permalink)
X Factor Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 927 Rep Power: 5128	Re: Dayton Recruiting Muddy, I can move on, but can you? You always dredge up old threads (ie. the "Stan says..." thread) every few months just to get people going. If this kid ends up at SLU, then yes, they deserve to be blasted. I was just pointing that UD hasn't been a sqeaky clean program themselves while SLU hasn't done anything wrong, yet. It does look bad on the surface though, if Majerus is still actively recruiting him.

07-29-2009, 09:39 AM	#82 (permalink)
xu95 Community Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cincinnati Age: 40 Posts: 3,580 Rep Power: 332174	Re: Dayton Recruiting The sad part is that they got put on probation for paying for a sub par player. It isn't like they bought Michael Jordan. xu95

07-29-2009, 09:44 AM	#83 (permalink)
SquidLegs Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 776 Rep Power: 214721	Re: Dayton Recruiting UD self-reported the incident. Sounds shady to me. What other sub par player would you like to compare stats with? Brooks Hall vs. ?? __________________ The two homer reasons that Xavier fans are delusional in their evaluation of the Muskies: 1. Byron Larkin 2. Brian Snow Xaviers Shame:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpS7PSYWcM

08-01-2009, 06:16 AM	#90 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: Dayton Recruiting I don't think anyone has said that someone was more accurate than anyone else regarding Payne. When you're reporting conflicting information every two days you're going to be questioned. That's how it works. His last report turned out to be pretty accurate, which is good. But do I also get credit for finding my keys in the last place I look after an hour of frustrated searching? The credit he gets is in his hard work and dedication to his job. That's admirable. It was obvious to many people in and around the situation that Payne was going to choose either UD, WVU, or Kentucky months ago. The type of kid Adreian is, the coaches he and his family seemed to like best, the fact that with these schools his grandma can attend many games a year...it wasn't a secret. Snow had to see the same things. I just wish he would have brought that levelheadedness when he punched in on the timeclock instead of running around to multiple message boards posting info that left himself chasing his tail. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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