X Factor

You are so intellectually dishonest. A rebuttal to PM's post #3? That is part of his sig that is in EVERY one of his posts.

You got mad because he called out your obsession of Xavier, so you tried to shoot down Xavier's success on the court, which you obviously failed to do.

I'm still marveling at the success of UD since they joined the A10.

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Muddy Waters

According to Buick Mack and Kenny Frease:


I suppose that if I change my signature, that will solve the problem.

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Bona84

OK Muddy. I don't see how Thor's post introduced a new topic, or the topic of Xavier's A-10 tourney performance, or how your introduction of the tourney performance rebutted Thor's post. Thor's post actually seemed to be quite on topic. But, I'm sure you will help guide me.

In any event, to answer your question, a simple "yes" or "no" does not suffice. I was not at the game, and did not see it on TV. So, I am not in a position to pass judgment on the Xavier players. Others closer to the situation were in much better position to pass judgment, and they apparently have.

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smaills

I try my damndest not respond to Muddy, but I think the board mods need to step in on this one and put a stop to him. It's one thing to act like a child and spew anti-xavier venom on a message board. It's a completely different animal when you are telling lies in public forum about a crime that didn't happen. I'll pray for you muddy.

uz2b-len

Instead of wasting all our time and destroying every thread that has to do with X or UD, maybe you guys could just write "Xavier-Dayton Slime Contest" and skip the rest of the verbiage. We can fill in the details--only too well. And then maybe we could have an actual conversation about the events. By the way, my opinion is that any guy who rips a water fountain off the wall should be disciplined: one game suspension and pay for repairs.

agoo101284

I see Dayton won a lot over those three seasons too. Oh wait...they weren't in any of the championship games. Actually Xavier eliminated Dayton in the 07 and 08 tournaments, but didn't get a chance to as the number 3 seed choked against got whipped by was dispatched by number 7 Duquesne in the 09 edition.

But its off topic to analyze the statements of the thread creator in this thread that are unrelated to Xavier players behavior, isn't it?

This could have been a productive topic, were it not treated in roughly the same way as the aforementioned water fountain by the thread starter.

As for the topic, I agree with the comment above. The water fountain is inappropriate behavior. As for the post game outburst(s), if the players have extra energy to burn, make them run in practice.

PM Thor

I too don't see how stating the fact that X is the 3 time repeating conference champ is inflammatory to mud, or anyone else actually. It has nothing to do with dayton or any other program other than X. For some reason, it pisses mudhead off though. This again points to his utterly unhealthy obsession with Xavier, again.

As for "ripping a water fountain off a wall", I think this is possibly overstating the events. No one here knows exactly what happened, what type of fountain it was, etc. For all we know, it was a freestanding one knocked over.

Either way, it's moot. Xavier sent a letter of apology, Holloway apologized for his actions, and it was handled by the program, quite correctly. Some people will overreact, saying it's not enough, which is their prerogative. And the babbling diatribes from the typical loons will continue, grasping at any straw they can hope to catch....

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Muddy Waters

Wishful thinking, perhaps ?

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AdamtheFlyer

At this point I'm ready to call Darwin a complete fraud. Many, many fish have learned over time not to eat the worm when it dangles right in front of them. Yet humans rule the world.

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Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

xudash

How good for you, as a fan of UD who can simply sit there and read it all from the sidelines. And what a luxury for you, focusing on the responders and not your colleague no-life that initiates the combative posts. Let's focus on that. He is one of you. He is a University of Dayton fan. In these parts, he is the University of Dayton. Let's focus on the fact that one of your fellow UD fans is making UD look bad by association. Believe me, you can sit there all day long and deny that. You can sit there all day long and blame people for responding to him. But you should come to the absolute conclusion that this guy is a reflection on your school to some visible degree whether you like it or not - guilt by association on the world wide web. Get your own house in order; he isn't exactly a beacon of light for the University of Dayton.

Seriously, I actually began to feel sorry for this guy when he jumped at the chance to start a thread concerning the Crosstown Shootout. That in and of itself demonstrates an obsession with Xavier that has reached no bounds. A guy with a zero reputation on this board with a jealousy level of Xavier that is unmatched jumps at the chance to start a thread about the CS. Sure, it was only about discussing basketball with him.

This guy is helping to set up UD for failure on this board. A number of UD posters are all mouth and still selling futures here. God help you guys if you don't win the A10 Championship - that's #1; that's job one because you were favored and expected to do it. If you don't win that this year, you are going to catch hell for it here. Beyond that, anything short of making it to the second weekend is unacceptable. Time to step up to the view that is seen by programs that actually do win big on a sustained basis. No excuses. If UD doesn't make it to the the S16 this year it will have failed, and some of its fans here will have written too much crap along the way not to end up receiving some back in when it is all over.

AdamtheFlyer

For crying out loud Dash, are you 12 years old? "But he started it!" Is he not invited to your birthday party?

Muddy is annoying, obsesses with Xavier. Get the f uck over it. I assume you're a big boy. Muddy represents all UD fans no more than the late Pablo spoke for all Xavier fans when he obsessed over the Waleskowski family. Some people just like to stir the pot, and when they get the reactions they aspire to get, they keep on pushing and take it further.

If I could put an IP ban on Muddy Waters and send his online character into oblivion forever, I would. I would have done it a long time ago. But I can't, you can't, the moderators on the site don't seem to care a whole lot. Seriously, grow a pair of low hangers and get over it. He's here. How you respond to his posts is solely your choice. You have two choices, rise above it and simply talk about basketball with like minded people, in Flyer fans case you have Elvis, Chet, CvilleFlyer, Ored, and several others I'm leaving off. But all to often you and other X fans choose to squabble with Muddy and his crew, then whine that they're everywhere. HELLO! It's laughable.

Live in reality, not your own personal Pleasantville.

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Gunner32

Dash, I have to agree with Adam here. If you really think Muddy is a fair reflection of Dayton or that this board really represents something all powerful and all knowing, you're being a little naive.

I have Xavier and Dayton friends (and connections to both schools through relatives, though my own roots are at Duquesne), and when you see the reality outside this board, it's so much different.

I have both Muddy and A10fan on ignore, and wisely so. (I HATE it when they're quoted.) The bottom line is they're both basement boys. One likes to push buttons, the other can't be mature enough to not take the bait.

If the rest of us would simply use the tools the board provides or, better yet, learn that since the mods won't take action it's better simply to deprive the depraved of the audiences they seek, it will soon be a better place.

ChrisSFlyer

Let's flip the sides. While you lambast Mud and the others for UD, you conveniently forget to look in the mirror at A102 and PMT, among others who are your colleagues as well. Where is the cry from Xavier fans about advocating hatred and baiting UD fans, and how it represents your school? This argument is not one sided dash, and that is what upsets me. You guys are so quick to whine about what a select few people who root for a rival school do yet turn a blind eye to those who represent your school in the manner they do. Where is the cry to ban Thor for promoting hatred and A102 for baiting and name calling and posting inane thoughts as well?

What's good for one should be good another, don't you agree? I mean, if you want to split hairs, Pablo was one of the worst possible representatives of your university in the cyber world. What he did was 100X worse then anything posted on here by any given UD fan. Hell, Pablo and PMT's jealousy of UD is legendary, one still puts it in his moniker.

And why are you worried about how good UD does in the forseeable future? We could make the Elite 8 and Xavier fans would still find a reason to mark that as a failure. What's your fanbase gonna do when you're in the NIT or CBI? Make excuses for Mack and the team? That's all I've heard from you guys.

Let me say this, I was disappointed in the behavior of X and Mack. I honestly thought your team was above all of that type of behavior. Even though our battles are heated, your team always represented well and won/lost with dignity. A good friend said 'Don't be a victim, be a victor.' Your team needed that idea in the face of a tough situation.

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Rich

X has been trying to improve/create their "bad boy" image for years now. It started about 10 years ago when they switched to black jerseys. I guess they are trying to gain some "street cred'". I always thought they wanted to be like UC...

xudash

You're missing my point. And you didn't do your homework: I have him on block. I don't respond to anything he posts anymore - you won't find any post from me in the Shootout thread as an example.

Though he doesn't represent all UD fans, your problem as a fan of UD is that he represents UD; he's representing UD on this board every time he posts. You understand that he has no credibility around here, given your desire to ban him if you could. Frankly, it doesn't bother me when he posts because I don't read them via the block and because he only makes himself - and UD by extension - look bad doing it.

So he may bother a few people, others don't care and have learned to ignore him, and others laugh at him, etc. Yet, he feeds UD's rep around here to a very little degree with some and to more of a degree with others, whether you like it or not. And it's just not Muddy, it's the triumvirate and maybe a couple others.

This is UD's year and some of you have been very, very loud, so you may or may not hear about it if you don't win the A10 Championship and make it to the S16.

But you keep staying focused on the notion that the village idiot is free to romp because he is a UD fan and nothing can be done about him anyway. Again, I don't care. I'm waiting to see the reaction UD gets here at the end of the season if it fails to meet those two goals.