MudFlap

Are you saying something he posted doesn't make any sense? Hahaha. Newbie.

Boozehound

You'll notice that I said 'barring injury'. If we had a healthy Redford the other guards could play less and we wouldn't need to rely on Freshmen. If Crawford hadn't gone to the NBA we would be in better shape as well. Add to that the fact that our most highly touted Freshman was ruled ineligible and you have a depth problem. Then the only Freshman who is seeing significant minutes gets hurt. Now you really have a depth problem.

stophorseabuse

I think Mack prob. expected something from Canty (which he was getting), and something from Martin (n/a). Latham would have seen more, but the improvement of Robinson and Taylor really limited what we needed from him. When Taylor was in a funk Latham got some quality minutes.

Muddy Waters

To which "quality minutes" are you referring ?


Jordan Latham's 2010-11 Game Log (Yahoo!)


Jordan Latham was selected to the Atlantic 10 Pre-season All-Rookie Team back in October. So far this season, Jordan has scored a total of 6 points.

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MudFlap

Back on topic - Xavier's big men:

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110221/SPT0102/302210121/Xavier-relying-iron-men?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Xavier

Muskie34

True, but yet some how Xavier is yet again challenging for their 5th straight A-10 titles. Muddy, answer my post with facts. How many A-10 championships for Xavier, for Dayton? How many NBA players over the last 20 years for Xavier, for Dayton? How many NCAA trips over the last 20 years for Xavier, Dayton? How many NCAA wins over the last 20 years for Xavier, for Dayton? And lastly, did Brad Redford win Mr. Basketball in Michigan his senior year?

MudFlap

Typical Muddy, find a guy or two on the bench and badmouth them. Relevance? None. He spent a whole year badmouthing "Splinters" Robinson and Kenny Frease only to see them become valuable parts of this team. Before them it was Jason Love, etc.,etc. When a guy moves up to the starting five, he looks down the bench for another target. He has switched now to Latham. he will be wrong again but won't own up to it as usual.

Boozehound

I don't think that Dayton fans, particularly Muddy, understand player development. You can't really blame them either, since players at Dayton typically get worse the longer they have been in the system. At Dayton you had better produce your Freshman year because if you don't come in ready to play you are never going to be ready to play.

Xavier has a different system. One the wins championships and sends players to the NBA. We don't worry if a guy doesn't see minutes as a Freshman, because we know he is likely to get better each year. See Robinson: Jeff.

Muddy Waters

MudFlap, post a quote where I "badmouthed" Jordan Latham.

stophorseabuse posted that Jordam Latham "got some quality minutes" and I couldn't fine them so I asked him where they were, and then Horse disappeared.

I challenged Horse's post with facts.

Do you have a problem with that ?

Is it your opinion that Jordan Latham has scored more than 6 points this season ?

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stophorseabuse

In a 5 game stretch where Taylor was battling injury Latham played 36 minutes, gave 4 points (without ever having a play run to him), grabbed 8 rebounds. those 7.1 minutes a game during that stretch are quality minutes. As you guys often like to do, if you spread it to 40 minutes a night that is about 6ppg and 12rpg. Latham is not ready, but if he were at UD he would be getting minutes anyhow and have numbers like:

1.4ppg, 2 rpg, 33%fg, 17% 3fg, 25% ft
or
2.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 27% fg, 55% ft
or even a soph
1.6 ppg, 2 rpg, 43% fg
How about a Jr. (6-9)
3.4 ppg, 31% fg, 1.3 rpg



Chris Mack is not stupid enough to run guys out there willingly when they are not ready. The results show he knows wtf he is doing.

Here is Taylor since he won his job back from Latham.

11.5 mpg, 4.3 ppg, 2 rpg, 66%fg, 83%ft.
More effecient than any player on the team outside of Tu Holloway. Why would Mack play Latham when it is not neccessarry. We have 4 players to eat up 80 minutes at the 4/5 who are ready.

If he wanted to he could play Latham, and Latham could put up numbers similar to or better than the god awful numbers put up by most of UD's freshmen. Why on earth would he choose to play people just for the sake of playing them. It's the type of mentatlity that lands you in the NIT. Jordan Latham will be fine, as will the other Frosh. Xavier is good. Those kids aren't good enough yet to take minutes from players who have developed for years in the Xavier system. pretty simple.

Maybe the problem at UD is that these freshmen get minutes before they have earned them, and know they will still play even if they don't get better. Not the case at Xavier. Jordan Latham already learned how quick you can lose your role.

xudash

Seven pages of responding to drivel.

If some of you guys need a break here and are looking for what might be a better exchange, may I suggest a pet shop near you that has parrots for sale.

For the benefit of the moderators:

1. No one was named; no direct attack was made, therefore no one can claim being insulted, especially since you guys allow this to continue; and
   
2. I attempted to make a constructive suggestion Re a better use of some of my colleagues' time.

stophorseabuse

I disappeared????? I think not. A little presumptious and antagonizing.

Muskie34

And I responded to your post asking for a few "facts" from you, yet you seem unwilling or unable to respond to my questions. Funny, you call out other people for "hiding" but you pick and choose your battles. Either respond to all, or respond to none. I am sure there is plenty of room over in the Dayton thread for you.

Muddy Waters

Muskie34, get a clue.

Questions about Dayton are "off-topic" on this thread, whether you like it or not.

And since you either know the answers to all of the questions you asked, or you can easily look them up yourself, you post is nothing more than "baiting", regardless of which thread you post those questions.

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Blue Blobster

come on muddy... answer these xavier related questions.