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Old 05-27-2012, 05:11 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

I have no clue what Wright is going to do with the rest of his career, but I'll let someone pay me 450k to sit in a suit and bounce from Calif to ND anyday of the week. To play a game at that......
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:20 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

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so now we are going to talk about football on a 100% basketball board? Who's dumb?
X's record speaks for itself, don't need you to interpret. Thx. Whoever you root for has an idiot for a fan.
Oh, so now we're ignoring that the teams play for universities?
I see. Sorry, I just think that's pretty pathetic. Both your grasping at that straw and the fact that real universities have better basketball and football traditions than you.
Like I said, let me know when you get to a final four, let alone win a championship.
Even when you do though, you're still a dinky little jesuit university, no one really cares about.


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Old 05-27-2012, 06:21 PM   #138 (permalink)
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I have no clue what Wright is going to do with the rest of his career, but I'll let someone pay me 450k to sit in a suit and bounce from Calif to ND anyday of the week. To play a game at that......
I don't disagree but that's really beside the point.
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Old 05-27-2012, 06:26 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

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Scoring 25 points in any NBA game beats playing in front of 2,000 Turks in Edirne.

See FlyingElvis' post above, to which I replied.

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Scoring 2.9 a game for Golden State = playing well in front of 2000 turks
Both are pretty terrible, especially given the expectations of both players. That said, things change. I imagine the NBA has folks who can develop talent better than Brian Gregory.
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Old 05-27-2012, 08:18 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Wrong again:

“A lot of people doubted what BG was doing with me (at UD),” Wright said. “But believe it or not, defensively and other ways, BG taught us so many things. Learning at this level is so much easier because of the process I went through at UD with BG being my coach.”
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you're still a dinky little jesuit university, no one really cares about.
Now you criticize 'cuz we're small? aw, but we seem to do very well against the schools with 10 times the enrollment. Pick up a Forbes someday. I know it's beyond your reading comphrehension but we're ranked 17th most valuable program.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:11 PM   #142 (permalink)
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Wrong again:

“A lot of people doubted what BG was doing with me (at UD),” Wright said. “But believe it or not, defensively and other ways, BG taught us so many things. Learning at this level is so much easier because of the process I went through at UD with BG being my coach.”
Unfortunately, the statistics PROVE otherwise. .
http://www.daytonflyers.com/mens/bas...?player_id=152

His field goal percentage became worse.
His turnovers more than tripled.
His free throw percentage dropped from .804% to .600%.

Year after year he became worse. Objectively speaking, there is no defense for someone being worse as a senior than as a freshman. The only two categories that improved in his time at UD, were his rebounding average, by less than 3 and his blocks.
On what planet is that good coaching? He became a walking turnover machine, who couldn't shoot for crap.

You want to see BG's coaching abilities? Watch one of his teams try to beat a zone.
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Old 05-27-2012, 10:17 PM   #143 (permalink)
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Now you criticize 'cuz we're small? aw, but we seem to do very well against the schools with 10 times the enrollment.

In contrast, no, you really don't.
Those schools have final fours and championships. In your entire history you couldn't reach a final four.
You also can't retain coaches and are a mere stepping stone. IE. Thad Matta and Sean Miller(soon to be Chris Mack)
They also have a larger enrollment, more research money and a name that people actually care about.
You're just not that important.

Kudos to Butler and VCU but they can't sustain it. Mid-major is a title well deserved on your end.
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Old 05-28-2012, 03:58 AM   #144 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, the statistics PROVE otherwise. .
http://www.daytonflyers.com/mens/bas...?player_id=152

His field goal percentage became worse.
His turnovers more than tripled.
His free throw percentage dropped from .804% to .600%.

Year after year he became worse. Objectively speaking, there is no defense for someone being worse as a senior than as a freshman. The only two categories that improved in his time at UD, were his rebounding average, by less than 3 and his blocks.
On what planet is that good coaching? He became a walking turnover machine, who couldn't shoot for crap.

You want to see BG's coaching abilities? Watch one of his teams try to beat a zone.
I think you are trying to compare stats in his freshman year (where he didn't make many shot attempts or play in the A10 regular season beyond the Rhode Island game where he left at halftime with a fractured heel bone) to his other three years where he played and shot much more against the entire schedule. The last three years, his stats are rather stable in every area. Yes, his turn-overs tripled, but he was asked to do a lot more from his frosh year to his senior year. As a frosh, he was sitting back and watching Brian Roberts fill it up for half the season. Makes perfect sense to me. His turnovers as a percentage of his shot attempts actually went down. His frosh year, he had 30 turnovers on 98 shot attempts (30.6% rate). In his senior year, he had 102 turnovers on 390 shot attempts (26.1% rate).

His freethrow percentage dropping is a little disappointing, but again, look at the numbers. His 80% as a frosh was based on a sample size of 46 shots. The rest of his college career, he hovered in the mid to lower 60's based on a sample size of 549 shots. So you are focused on a streak of 46 shots which represents 7.7% of his college free throw body of work. Once again, you looked no further than the surface numbers.

Again, with the fg%, you are looking at a half season in his freshman year, where he was a very secondary offensive player to his other three seasons where he was asked to shoot more regularly. As a freshman, he was only asked to make stick back dunks and fast break slams. We had no plays set up for him with the exception of some backdoor slam screens. Why would we do that when you could set things up for Brian Roberts? Just like his free throw attempts, you are taking that small sample size of his freshman half-year vs. non-con only (where he was not a primary offensive player) as your base data (60.2). His other three years are very stable statistically (47.8, 40.4 and 45.9).

This whole exercise is like me taking Turkish Chris Wright stats as a frosh and comparing them to the rest of his career. I could say he became a much worse 3pt shooter because he made 47.8% of his 23 attemtps in his freshman year and then compare it to the next three years where he took a signifcant number of attempts and went 32%, 33% and 33%. Did his coach make him worse? His fg% went down from 48.6% to 41.4% too. Turkish Chris Wright also went from collecting 6 rebounds per 40 minutes as a freshman to collecting 3 rebounds per 40 minutes as a senior. Lordy, lordy! The fun we can have with this kind of analysis.
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In contrast, no, you really don't.
Those schools have final fours and championships. In your entire history you couldn't reach a final four.
You also can't retain coaches and are a mere stepping stone. IE. Thad Matta and Sean Miller(soon to be Chris Mack)
They also have a larger enrollment, more research money and a name that people actually care about.
You're just not that important.

Kudos to Butler and VCU but they can't sustain it. Mid-major is a title well deserved on your end.
We get it. CW is a liar and X hasn't made a final four yet. Great report. Duh.
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Large taxpayer funded State schools should always have better BB teams. Afterall, they can just throw more taxpayer money at it if they aren't successful. Too bad that just doesn't work out for you in 12 of the last 13 NCAA's. Troll on.

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BG recruited a top 50 player and the kid is now in the NBA. That doesn't happen with all the top 50 guys, so I would say it's a good return on investment so far.

We do agree that there is a reason that the better Chris Wright is in the NBA and the lesser Chris Wright is playing in a 2000 seat gymnasium in Edirne, Turkey.
Atually the NBA Chris Wright was only ranked #88 by Rivals, while the Chris Wright who was sentenced to the Turkish leagues was ranked #55. So Gregory sent the #88 guy to the NBA while Georgetown failed to develop the #55 guy who is now paying the price on the Turkish/Bulgarian border.

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I have no doubt Brian Gregory helped Chris Wright make it to the NBA. He allowed him to showcase his NBA ready trait, his freakish athleticism. The problem was, in doing so, BG made his college team worse. Wright should have lived on the block as a true PF. Instead of developing skills that would have made him unstoppable in the A10, he spent 4 years trying to develop skills that take a lifetime to develop. That is why I did a happy dance when BG left. No doubt in my mind that, with Wright living on the block and never touching the ball more than 12 feet away from the bucket, UD wouldn't have played in any NITs during Wright's last 2 seasons.

Wright in the NBA is another issue. I hope he sticks around, but I don't see it happening. Next year a new crop of freak athletes will tease coaches and GMs into believing they can be the diamond in the rough. In order to stick, Wright will have to magically develop skills that he spent 4 years trying in vain to develop while at UD. He may get another year with the Warriors or another team, but that's about it. Every year of service time raises your minimum salary. Unless he gets much better in a hurry, teams aren't going to pay him more to do a job that can be done by any random rookie.
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^^^^ all good points
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Perhaps we might just wish Chris Wright “good luck” and go back to topic.










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