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Muddy Waters · 10-17-2012, 03:02 PM

Robinson, Other UD Freshmen, Ready to Make Impact (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012)

Flyers Gearing Up for Red & Blue Scrimmage to be held on Saturday, October 20 (Dayton Flyers - October 17, 2012)

DAYTON, Ohio – Flyer fans will get their first look at the University of Dayton men's and women's basketball teams on Saturday, Oct. 20 at the annual Red & Blue Game from UD Arena.

The annual intrasquad scrimmage for both programs will take place in the morning with the doors opening at 9:30 a.m. ET.

Admission is free and open to the public. Parking is only available in the A and B lots at UD Arena. A full food and drink menu will be available at the UD Arena concession stands.

RED & BLUE GAME TIMELINE

9:30 a.m. – Doors Open (free coffee and donuts for first 500 people)
10:30 - 10:35 a.m. – Women’s Basketball warm up on court
10:35 - 10:40 a.m. – Women’s Basketball introductions – players and coaches
10:40 - 10:55 a.m. – Women’s Basketball skills challenge
11:00 - 11:30 a.m. – Women’s Basketball scrimmage – Running time in three (3), 7-minute periods
11:30 a.m. – Noon – Men’s Basketball warm up on court

Noon – Men’s Basketball introductions
12:05 p.m. – Men’s Basketball scrimmage

1 p.m. – Start autograph session with Men’s Basketball and Women’s Basketball on North Concourse after the scrimmage (fans are encouraged to bring one item to the autograph session)

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Numeric Roster

Code:

No. Player

 0  Khari Price
 1  Kevin Dillard
 2  Josh Benson  
 3  Mitch Asmus  (walk-on) 
 5  Devin Oliver 

12  Jalen Robinson
15  Matt Derenbecker 

21  Dyshawn Pierre
23  Brian Vonderhaar  (walk-on)
25  Alex Gavrilovic 

35  Matt Kavanaugh 

40  Devon Scott
42  Dennis Williams  (walk-on)
43  Vee Sanford 
--  Jordan Sibert  (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster

Code:

    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Matt Kavanaugh    Senior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Centerville, OH
 2. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 3. Jalen Robinson    Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 4. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF/C  6'-9"   228 lbs.  Dayton, OH
 5. Devon Scott       Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 6. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 7. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph.  SF/SG  6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 8. Dyshawn Pierre    Freshman  SF/SG  6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 9. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
10. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

11. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
12. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2013 Division I transfer = 1.

Possible 2012-13 Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Matt Kavanaugh, Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott.

PF: Josh Benson, Devon Scott, Jalen Robinson, and Alex Gavrilovic.

SF: Matt Derenbecker, Devin Oliver, and Dyshawn Pierre.

SG: Vee Sanford, Dyshawn Pierre, and Matt Derenbecker.

PG: Kevin Dillard, Khari Price, and Vee Sanford.

* Reserve roles will likely vary, depending on heights and strengths of opponents' players at each position.

Dayton Flyers 5-Year Roster Sorted By Graduating Class

Code:

Seniors - UD Class of 2013 

1. Josh Benson       PF    6'-9"   228 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 10.9 points and 5.2 rebounds)*
2. Matt Kavanaugh     C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  9.0 points and 5.9 rebounds)
3. Kevin Dillard     PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 13.3 points and 6.0 assists)
 * Josh Benson missed all 16 A10 games, the A10 Tournament, and the NIT due to a knee injury.    

Juniors - UD Class of 2014

1. Devin Oliver      CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  4.9 points and 5.0 rebounds)
2. Vee Sanford       CG    6'-3"   196 lbs.  (2011-12: sat out transfer year)

Sophomores - UD Class of 2015

1. Alex Gavrilovic    C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  4.0 points and 2.8 rebounds)
2. Matt Derenbecker SF/SG  6'-7"   215 lbs.  (2011-12: sat out transfer year)
3. Jordan Sibert     SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged  3.0 points and 1.4 rebounds) 
 
Freshmen - UD Class of 2016

1. Devon Scott      PF/C   6'-9"   215 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 12 rebounds)   
2. Jalen Robinson   PF/C   6'-9"   243 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 19 points and 11 rebounds)
3. Dyshawn Pierre   SF/SG  6'-6"   210 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 20+ points and 10+ rebounds)
4. Khari Price       PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 5.6 assists)

High School Seniors - UD Class of 2017

1. Kyle Davis        CG    6'-1"   165 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 25 points and 7 assists) 
2. Dayshon Smith     CG    6'-2"   170 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged 17 points and 6 assists)   
3. Kendall Pollard   SF    6'-6"   185 lbs.  (2011-12: averaged ?? points and ?? rebounds)

Dayton Flyers 2011-12 Sortable Stats (Yahoo!)

TheCobra · 10-17-2012, 09:16 PM

Another DDN article today, this one about Alex Gavrilovic: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...-season/nSgLD/

That is an exciting article. The big Frenchmen could be an impact player on the inside this year.

bprichard · 10-17-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCobra

Another DDN article today, this one about Alex Gavrilovic: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...-season/nSgLD/

That is an exciting article. The big Frenchmen could be an impact player on the inside this year.

Good article. Gavrilovic showed some flashes of offensive skill last year, and I excited to see what he can bring to the table. The extra strength should help him improve the matador defense he seemed to display at times last year, hopefully.

TheCobra · 10-17-2012, 09:23 PM

Muddy, I promise this is the last time I will say this, but I expect Oliver to start at the 3. Everyone is assuming Derenbecker will be the starter and I am not quite sure why. He started for half of a season as a freshman on a team that was under 500. Oliver started for half the season on a pretty good Dayton team last year, and put up pretty good numbers while he did it. I expect Oliver to make a jump in production this year.

Also, if Dayton is to improve as a defensive team, I think it is important to set the tone from the start of the game. Oliver is one of the better defensive players on the team (I know nothing of MD's D). I understand his versatility makes him a nice 6th man. But I think his ability is going to put him on the court at the beginning of the game.

AdamtheFlyer · 10-18-2012, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheCobra

Muddy, I promise this is the last time I will say this, but I expect Oliver to start at the 3. Everyone is assuming Derenbecker will be the starter and I am not quite sure why. He started for half of a season as a freshman on a team that was under 500. Oliver started for half the season on a pretty good Dayton team last year, and put up pretty good numbers while he did it. I expect Oliver to make a jump in production this year.

Also, if Dayton is to improve as a defensive team, I think it is important to set the tone from the start of the game. Oliver is one of the better defensive players on the team (I know nothing of MD's D). I understand his versatility makes him a nice 6th man. But I think his ability is going to put him on the court at the beginning of the game.

I think it depends on the development of Oliver's offensive game.

It seems like this will be a strong team. Oliver added weight, Robinson added weight, Scott looks to be a Charles Little like weight room freak. Plus you have Kavanaugh and Gavrilovic, and Sanford has some good size. I think Benson added muscle, too.

Playing Dayton won't be real fun this year, they will not be a finesse team inside. They're gonna out-muscle most of their opponents. If the skill level can come close to matching the strength, could be a very good team.

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Flyer75 · 10-18-2012, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

I think it depends on the development of Oliver's offensive game.

It seems like this will be a strong team. Oliver added weight, Robinson added weight, Scott looks to be a Charles Little like weight room freak. Plus you have Kavanaugh and Gavrilovic, and Sanford has some good size. I think Benson added muscle, too.

Playing Dayton won't be real fun this year, they will not be a finesse team inside. They're gonna out-muscle most of their opponents. If the skill level can come close to matching the strength, could be a very good team.

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I saw a pic of the team photo on Facebook yesterday. Scott looks like a grown up man already, not some project freshmen. He looks every bit of 6-9 too if the measurement of Alex is right. I look for Scott to get decent minutes this year for his rebounding and inside presence alone.

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A10fan2 · 10-18-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

I saw a pic of the team photo on Facebook yesterday. Scott looks like a grown up man already, not some project freshmen. He looks every bit of 6-9 too if the measurement of Alex is right. I look for Scott to get decent minutes this year for his rebounding and inside presence alone.

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I thought kids quit standing on their tippy toes to look taller in the 3rd grade.

Medford · 10-18-2012, 06:12 AM

scott appears to be flat footed, can't say the same thing for Robinson (which is probably why he appears about an inch taler than Gavs in that picture.

bprichard · 10-18-2012, 06:14 AM

Nah, it's a treasured and time honored tradition in Flyer land. Our guys are huge!

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**FlyingElvis** · 10-20-2012, 03:12 PM

After watching the Red and Blue scrimmage today, I think we will be very strong in the paint and I'm a little worried about our perimeter shooting. We might have some good perimeter shooters, but I haven't seen it demonstrated yet.

Our overall athleticism went way up from last year, but shooting skills are questionable from our jump shooters and bombers. I think we can be a much better defensive team. I love the addition of Jalen Robinson and Devon Scott. They are going to be tough post players for us. Benson looks like he fully recovered to me. He was quick and jumping well.

Jalen Robinson is the guy I like the most. I think he has an impact for us this year.

AdamtheFlyer · 10-20-2012, 03:24 PM

Shooting is the hardest thing to gauge in something like a Red and Blue game. Archie even said it post game, they are coming off 5 or 6 straight days of tough practices. Right now is the hardest they will practice all year. They looked worn out. That said, this definitely looks like a team predicated on attacking the rim. Won't be many games with 18-24 three point attempts.

I like the big-to-big passing in this offense. All four guys today showed great vision and touch on interior passes, and I remember Gavrilovic being pretty good in that area, too. That kind of action really puts the pressure on the defense.

Hard not to be impressed with Jalen Robinson. Very skilled with great footwork. As I expected he looks to be more of a face up dribble drive type of player, at least early on in his career. He cut to space very well and was rewarded with a few buckets for it. Also impressed with him sitting on Dillard and exploiting the mismatch for an easy bucket. A lot of young kids won't recognize it, he did.

Josh Benson looked great. He's probably in better shape than everyone else due to his rehab all summer, plus he's probably not getting after it quite as hard in practice. His legs looked fresh. He didn't lose any athleticism or bounce, that's for sure. Will be interesting to see if his mid-range game is for real. He didn't make any today, I don't think, but he took quite a few 15 footers with confidence, and in rhythm. If he can find the range and use that as a weapon, look out.

Devon Scott is still very raw, but my goodness the kid is a fighter. I don't know how many minutes he will get, 8-12 range is my guess, but opponents better pack a lunch for when he does get on the floor. It will be work to face him.

DarkFlyer · 10-20-2012, 06:10 PM

Agreeing with Elvis and Adam, our interior no longer appears to be a weakness. I was impressed with Robinson in particular - he appears to be more fluid than most of the bigs UD gets (Benson notwithstanding). I see both Scott and Robinson getting regular minutes this year and foul trouble seems to be a diminished threat (with the exception of Dillard).

And I remember thinking to myself in the first half, "If this is 70% of Josh Benson (his estimation in a recent article) then watch out when he gets healthy." If UD is going to surprise in the A-10 this season, Josh Benson will be a big piece of the puzzle. He already showed the maturation of his game before his injury last season, and now his body is finally manly.

One trait I pray was not indicative of the team this season was the horrendous free throw shooting. It seemed they shot about 40%. I hope it was just tired legs.

Muddy Waters · 10-22-2012, 05:22 AM

Possible 2012-13 Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Matt Kavanaugh, Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott.

PF: Josh Benson, Devon Scott, Jalen Robinson, and Alex Gavrilovic.

SF: Matt Derenbecker, Devin Oliver, and Dyshawn Pierre.

SG: Vee Sanford, Dyshawn Pierre, and Matt Derenbecker.

PG: Kevin Dillard, Khari Price, and Vee Sanford.

* Reserve roles will likely vary, depending on heights and strengths of opponents' players at each position.

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster

Code:

    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Matt Kavanaugh    Senior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Centerville, OH
 2. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 3. Jalen Robinson    Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 4. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF/C  6'-9"   228 lbs.  Dayton, OH
 5. Devon Scott       Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 6. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 7. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph.  SF/SG  6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 8. Dyshawn Pierre    Freshman  SF/SG  6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 9. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
10. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

11. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
12. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2013 signee = 1.

Dayton Flyers 2013-14 Roster

Code:

    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Alex Gavrilovic   Junior      C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France
 2. Devon Scott       Sophomore   C    6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 3. Jalen Robinson    Sophomore  PF    6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 4. Devin Oliver      Senior     PF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 5. Matt Derenbecker  RS Junior  SF    6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 6. Dyshawn Pierre    Sophomore  SF    6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 
 7. Kendall Pollard   Freshman   SF    6'-6"   185 lbs.  Chicago  

 8. Jordan Sibert     RS Junior  SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH 
 9. Vee Sanford       RS Senior  SG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

10. Dayshon Smith     Freshman   CG    6'-2"   170 lbs.  New York City  
11. Kyle Davis        Freshman   CG    6'-1"   165 lbs.  Chicago  

12. Khari Price       Sophomore  PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2014 signee = 1.

Muddy's Observations:

(1) In 2012-13, Archie Miller has a lot of flexibility in his frontcourt (i.e. players available and able to play multiple positions), but little flexibility in his backcourt.

(2) In 2013-14, Archie Miller will have a lot of flexibility in his backcourt, but little flexibility in his frontcourt.

(3) In 2012-13, Junior Devin Oliver will likely get most of his minutes at the SF position.

(4) In 2013-14, Senior Devin Oliver will likely get most of his minutes at the PF position.

(5) The 2013-14 Flyers team will be shorter, quicker, and more athletic than the 2012-13 team.

(6) As deep as the 2012-13 Flyers are, the 2013-14 team will be even deeper, as freshmen Kyle Davis, Scoochie Smith, and Kendall Pollard should be adequately prepared to contribute quality minutes from the first game of the 2013-14 season (if they get the opportunity).

(7) I would not attempt to propose a 2013-14 Depth Chart at this point, and Archie Miller might not decide his Depth Chart until the first game of the 2013-14 season.

(8) I suspect that the 13th scholarship for the 2013-14 season will go to either a HS senior PF/C (or JUCO transfer PF/C) in the spring of 2013, or else Miller will use it to obtain one of the 400+ Dvision I transfers who will come onto the market in the spring of 2013.

(9) I would be very surprized if Archie Miller accepted another commitment for the 2013-14 season prior to the spring of 2013.

(10) I expect that Kyle Davis, Scoochie Smith, and Kendall Pollard will all submit their signed National Letters of Intent on November 14th and that they will have no eligibility issues (academic or otherwise).

NLI Signing Dates for Prospective Student-Athletes Enrolling 2013-2014 (ncaa.org)

Basketball (Early Period): November 14 to November 21, 2012

Basketball (Regular Period): April 17 to May 15, 2013

Muddy Waters · 10-24-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 31770 earlier today

UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for the year - Post # 1

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...or-year/nSmkx/

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster (Dayton Flyers)

Matt Kavanaugh has already been removed from the Roster, and I would be very surprized if he ever rejoins the Flyers.

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EDIT: new article added:

Almost Certainly, Matt Kavanaugh Has Played His Last Game at UD (Tom Archdeacon, DDN - October 24, 2012)

Although Kavanaugh is a senior and would have another year of eligibility left should he be reinstated — he can make his case in May of 2013 — I don’t see that happening.

When you embarrass your school, the basketball program and yourself, no one at UD is going to push for you to return next year so the entire issue can be rehashed again.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WH

UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for the year - Post # 15

Tough break for the Flyers. Hard to find a 6-10 guy who can play post defense, rebound and hustle for putbacks.

The loss of experience will hurt early on. Gavrilovic will get a chance to shine, and I think he will, and the two frosh big forwards will get lots of minutes from the get-go.

Hopefully Benson recovers almost in full.

I suppose Dayton will become quicker and more athletic at every spot on the floor.

Due to the Flyers’ frontcourt depth, Kavanaugh’s departure is far from devastating. By the time March rolls around, it could even turn out to be a blessing in disguise, as Kavanaugh was the Flyers’ least-athletic big man.

Fifth-year senior Josh Benson was always going to get as many minutes as he could handle this season, but Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott now will be getting Matt Kavanaugh’s 24 minutes per game.

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Benson Happy to be Back as Flyers Return to Court (Tom Archdeacon, DDN - October 13, 2012)

“I’m planning to be a part of everything now, but I’m not where I want to be yet,” Benson said. “I’m nowhere near close to where I was last year, but it’s a gradual deal and I’m getting back in the swing of things.”

He said he’ll wear a knee brace this year, “just to be on the safe side.”

Not only has he been getting healthier, but he’s heavier — and that’s by design.

He said he’s now closing in on 230 pounds. He said he weighed 208 last season — too light to bang around inside with the most prominent big men on the Flyers’ schedule — and had come into UD at 194 pounds.

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UD's Gavrilovic Beefs Up, Ready for New Season (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012)

But the player making perhaps the biggest jump physically is Gavrilovic.

The 6-9 France native weighed 225 at the end of the last season and is up to 250 pounds this year. He also improved his bench press, going from six reps of 185 pounds (the weight used at the NBA Combine) to 16 this year.

“I play a position where you have to be strong and be physical in rebounding and on defense and offense. Everything you do on the block and in the paint is physical. That will help me out a lot,” Gavrilovic said.

Although coach Archie Miller was pleased with the off-season dedication from all the Flyers, he said Gavrilovic was perhaps the most improved player.

“He’s always been a big kid, but I don’t think he’s been as strong as he is. That’s a credit to Paul and his strength program,” Miller said. “He’s a much different player, banging in and around the basket — even with a guy like Kav and some of these young guys. He’s an overwhelmingly stronger player.”

“He’s always been in great shape, and he’s always been mobile. But you’re looking at a guy who in 12 months was able to get a lower body. Strength and conditioning is the backbone of our program. Looking at him and watching him play and compete, he’s a much better player right now.”

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Robinson, Other UD Freshmen, Ready to Make Impact (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012)

Jalen Robinson has spent time in the UD strength and conditioning program under coach Paul Ivkovich and has dropped to 235 pounds while lowering his body fat from 17 percent to 11.5.

“He used to say, ‘Coach, do you think I can be a 3?’ Now I hope he can be a 4,” Miller said. “But I do think because of his game, he has a chance to play with a ‘big’ or without a ‘big’ because he’s gifted inside and very, very mobile. He’s got a unique game that I think will translate well for him.”

Here are some early impressions of the newcomers:

Jalen Robinson: Relentless. Doesn’t back down from battles on the block. He wears dread locks like former Flyers London Warren and Rob Lowery, and his hair goes flying as he mixes it up inside.

Devon Scott (6-9, 215): The Flyers’ strongest player, at least in the weight-lifting department. He bench-pressed 185 pounds a team-high 21 times. Might be the most game-ready of all the freshmen.

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Freshman Robinson Has Strong Scrimmage (Doug Harris, DDN - October 21, 2012)

What the Flyers will see is a solid performance from freshman forward Jalen Robinson, encouraging signs that senior forward Josh Benson is all the way back from knee surgery nine months ago and snippets of good ball movement that will make them hard to defend this season.

Robinson led all players with 10 points and had a rim-rattling dunk after taking a feed from freshman Khari Price down the lane. The 6-foot-9, 235-pound Columbus product figures to be in the mix from the start — especially with sophomore center Alex Gavrilovic out for at least two weeks with mononucleosis.

“He’s a load to deal with right now,” Miller said of Robinson. “He’s a big ol’ kid and I really like his skill set. He’s going to be inside, he’s going to be outside. The key for him will be his personal approach to defense. Young guys have to catch up quickly on the defensive side of the ball.”

“He’s got to go through some (defenders) who are older. But I love where he’s at, and I think he’s going to be a special player for us one day.”

Benson already is. He had nine points, two assists and a blocked shot and looks to be able to provide the interior presence on defense the Flyers lacked when he was out with a torn ACL for the second half of last season.

“I’m happy for Josh. … I think you can tell he’s almost there. He’s going two days on, one day off. At this point in time, we have to ease him in,” Miller said.

“It’s going to take some time to get some rust off, but he’s a huge component for who we want to be.”

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Chicago Has Been Good To UD Basketball (Doug Harris, DDN - October 24, 2012)

They’ve got a nice nucleus there with sophomore center Alex Gavrilovic and freshmen forwards Jalen Robinson and Devon Scott.

"Jalen had a great fall. He’s worked hard," Miller said. "He’s a great basketball player in terms of feel. You can just see the natural gifts he has with his length and his hands. I think he’s going to be a guy who scores for us at times."

"Devon is our most competitive guy, and I love what he brings to the table. He’s a guy I’m going to count on and we’re going to count on to bring some toughness, and he loves that role. That’s why I think those two guys were special for us to get because they kind of mix and match, and they’ll mix and match for a long time here."

Miller added: "I really love our team. I’ve loved how we’ve worked early on. I think our young guys really have a chance to impact us. They’ve all bought in."

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In any event, the accelerated experience and development of Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott will pay dividends over the next four seasons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

UD’s Kavanaugh suspended for the year - Post # 20

It was nice to have Kavanaugh because then we had two pure banger type of big guys in the paint (Gavrilovic being the other).

However, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott are almost as strong down low. I thought that Jalen might be forcing Kavanaugh or Gavrilovic out of minutes after a short time anyhow (Because I believe he is a more rounded player with better skills and athletic ability).

With Benson looking so good at the R+B game last week, I assume he is going to get a lot of PF minutes.

Now, I see both Northland guys getting a lot of minutes.

I agree.

AdamtheFlyer · 10-24-2012, 05:29 PM

Don't get dizzy spinning that hard, Muddy. In no way will this ever be a "blessing in disguise". Matt Kavanaugh would have been a solid contributor. He's a good player. Yes, the talent and depth is such that losing Kavanaugh isn't likely to be a season killer. But no matter how good the other big men are, Kavanaugh would have had a positive impact.

Including Kavanaugh, there is/was not a single player on the roster who would make the team demonstrably worse when he is/was on the floor. That's actually the first time we can say that in several years.

This is a very real bump in the road. Not a massive landslide that takes out the road, but a definite short term bump.

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Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,240 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Robinson, Other UD Freshmen, Ready to Make Impact (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012) Flyers Gearing Up for Red & Blue Scrimmage to be held on Saturday, October 20 (Dayton Flyers - October 17, 2012) DAYTON, Ohio – Flyer fans will get their first look at the University of Dayton men's and women's basketball teams on Saturday, Oct. 20 at the annual Red & Blue Game from UD Arena. The annual intrasquad scrimmage for both programs will take place in the morning with the doors opening at 9:30 a.m. ET. Admission is free and open to the public. Parking is only available in the A and B lots at UD Arena. A full food and drink menu will be available at the UD Arena concession stands. RED & BLUE GAME TIMELINE 9:30 a.m. – Doors Open (free coffee and donuts for first 500 people) 10:30 - 10:35 a.m. – Women’s Basketball warm up on court 10:35 - 10:40 a.m. – Women’s Basketball introductions – players and coaches 10:40 - 10:55 a.m. – Women’s Basketball skills challenge 11:00 - 11:30 a.m. – Women’s Basketball scrimmage – Running time in three (3), 7-minute periods 11:30 a.m. – Noon – Men’s Basketball warm up on court Noon – Men’s Basketball introductions 12:05 p.m. – Men’s Basketball scrimmage 1 p.m. – Start autograph session with Men’s Basketball and Women’s Basketball on North Concourse after the scrimmage (fans are encouraged to bring one item to the autograph session) Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Numeric Roster Code: No. Player 0 Khari Price 1 Kevin Dillard 2 Josh Benson 3 Mitch Asmus (walk-on) 5 Devin Oliver 12 Jalen Robinson 15 Matt Derenbecker 21 Dyshawn Pierre 23 Brian Vonderhaar (walk-on) 25 Alex Gavrilovic 35 Matt Kavanaugh 40 Devon Scott 42 Dennis Williams (walk-on) 43 Vee Sanford -- Jordan Sibert (Will sit out 2012-13 season.) Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster Code: Player Class Pos. Height Weight Hometown 1. Matt Kavanaugh Senior C 6'-9" 250 lbs. Centerville, OH 2. Alex Gavrilovic Sophomore C 6'-9" 246 lbs. Strasbourg, France 3. Jalen Robinson Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 243 lbs. Columbus, OH 4. Josh Benson RS Senior PF/C 6'-9" 228 lbs. Dayton, OH 5. Devon Scott Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 215 lbs. Columbus, OH 6. Devin Oliver Junior CF 6'-7" 225 lbs. Kalamazoo, MI 7. Matt Derenbecker RS Soph. SF/SG 6'-7" 215 lbs. Metairie, LA 8. Dyshawn Pierre Freshman SF/SG 6'-6" 210 lbs. Whitby, Ontario 9. Jordan Sibert RS Soph. SG 6'-4" 187 lbs. Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.) 10. Vee Sanford RS Junior CG 6'-3" 192 lbs. Lexington, KY 11. Kevin Dillard RS Senior PG 6'-0" 182 lbs. Homewood, IL 12. Khari Price Freshman PG 5'-11" 170 lbs. Slidell, LA Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2013 Division I transfer = 1. Possible 2012-13 Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.) C: Matt Kavanaugh, Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott. PF: Josh Benson, Devon Scott, Jalen Robinson, and Alex Gavrilovic. SF: Matt Derenbecker, Devin Oliver, and Dyshawn Pierre. SG: Vee Sanford, Dyshawn Pierre, and Matt Derenbecker. PG: Kevin Dillard, Khari Price, and Vee Sanford. * Reserve roles will likely vary, depending on heights and strengths of opponents' players at each position. Dayton Flyers 5-Year Roster Sorted By Graduating Class Code: Seniors - UD Class of 2013 1. Josh Benson PF 6'-9" 228 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 10.9 points and 5.2 rebounds)* 2. Matt Kavanaugh C 6'-9" 250 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 9.0 points and 5.9 rebounds) 3. Kevin Dillard PG 6'-0" 182 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 13.3 points and 6.0 assists) * Josh Benson missed all 16 A10 games, the A10 Tournament, and the NIT due to a knee injury. Juniors - UD Class of 2014 1. Devin Oliver CF 6'-7" 225 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 4.9 points and 5.0 rebounds) 2. Vee Sanford CG 6'-3" 196 lbs. (2011-12: sat out transfer year) Sophomores - UD Class of 2015 1. Alex Gavrilovic C 6'-9" 246 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 4.0 points and 2.8 rebounds) 2. Matt Derenbecker SF/SG 6'-7" 215 lbs. (2011-12: sat out transfer year) 3. Jordan Sibert SG 6'-4" 187 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 3.0 points and 1.4 rebounds) Freshmen - UD Class of 2016 1. Devon Scott PF/C 6'-9" 215 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 12 rebounds) 2. Jalen Robinson PF/C 6'-9" 243 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 19 points and 11 rebounds) 3. Dyshawn Pierre SF/SG 6'-6" 210 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 20+ points and 10+ rebounds) 4. Khari Price PG 5'-11" 170 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 18 points and 5.6 assists) High School Seniors - UD Class of 2017 1. Kyle Davis CG 6'-1" 165 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 25 points and 7 assists) 2. Dayshon Smith CG 6'-2" 170 lbs. (2011-12: averaged 17 points and 6 assists) 3. Kendall Pollard SF 6'-6" 185 lbs. (2011-12: averaged ?? points and ?? rebounds) Dayton Flyers 2011-12 Sortable Stats (Yahoo!) __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 10-22-2012 at 03:22 PM. Reason: Kendall Pollard added.

10-17-2012, 09:16 PM	#347 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Another DDN article today, this one about Alex Gavrilovic: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...-season/nSgLD/ That is an exciting article. The big Frenchmen could be an impact player on the inside this year.

10-17-2012, 09:23 PM	#349 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Muddy, I promise this is the last time I will say this, but I expect Oliver to start at the 3. Everyone is assuming Derenbecker will be the starter and I am not quite sure why. He started for half of a season as a freshman on a team that was under 500. Oliver started for half the season on a pretty good Dayton team last year, and put up pretty good numbers while he did it. I expect Oliver to make a jump in production this year. Also, if Dayton is to improve as a defensive team, I think it is important to set the tone from the start of the game. Oliver is one of the better defensive players on the team (I know nothing of MD's D). I understand his versatility makes him a nice 6th man. But I think his ability is going to put him on the court at the beginning of the game.

10-18-2012, 06:12 AM	#353 (permalink)
Medford Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 667 Rep Power: 156221	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers scott appears to be flat footed, can't say the same thing for Robinson (which is probably why he appears about an inch taler than Gavs in that picture.

10-20-2012, 03:12 PM	#355 (permalink)
FlyingElvis Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Memphis - Dayton - Vegas Posts: 2,400 Rep Power: 149179	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers After watching the Red and Blue scrimmage today, I think we will be very strong in the paint and I'm a little worried about our perimeter shooting. We might have some good perimeter shooters, but I haven't seen it demonstrated yet. Our overall athleticism went way up from last year, but shooting skills are questionable from our jump shooters and bombers. I think we can be a much better defensive team. I love the addition of Jalen Robinson and Devon Scott. They are going to be tough post players for us. Benson looks like he fully recovered to me. He was quick and jumping well. Jalen Robinson is the guy I like the most. I think he has an impact for us this year. __________________ "US Bank Arena can't be that bad"

10-18-2012, 06:14 AM	#354 (permalink)
bprichard Veteran Join Date: May 2012 Location: Shanghai, China Age: 32 Posts: 1,055 Rep Power: 192540	Nah, it's a treasured and time honored tradition in Flyer land. Our guys are huge! Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using VerticalSports.Com App

10-20-2012, 03:24 PM	#356 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Shooting is the hardest thing to gauge in something like a Red and Blue game. Archie even said it post game, they are coming off 5 or 6 straight days of tough practices. Right now is the hardest they will practice all year. They looked worn out. That said, this definitely looks like a team predicated on attacking the rim. Won't be many games with 18-24 three point attempts. I like the big-to-big passing in this offense. All four guys today showed great vision and touch on interior passes, and I remember Gavrilovic being pretty good in that area, too. That kind of action really puts the pressure on the defense. Hard not to be impressed with Jalen Robinson. Very skilled with great footwork. As I expected he looks to be more of a face up dribble drive type of player, at least early on in his career. He cut to space very well and was rewarded with a few buckets for it. Also impressed with him sitting on Dillard and exploiting the mismatch for an easy bucket. A lot of young kids won't recognize it, he did. Josh Benson looked great. He's probably in better shape than everyone else due to his rehab all summer, plus he's probably not getting after it quite as hard in practice. His legs looked fresh. He didn't lose any athleticism or bounce, that's for sure. Will be interesting to see if his mid-range game is for real. He didn't make any today, I don't think, but he took quite a few 15 footers with confidence, and in rhythm. If he can find the range and use that as a weapon, look out. Devon Scott is still very raw, but my goodness the kid is a fighter. I don't know how many minutes he will get, 8-12 range is my guess, but opponents better pack a lunch for when he does get on the floor. It will be work to face him. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism. Last edited by AdamtheFlyer; 10-20-2012 at 03:30 PM.

10-20-2012, 06:10 PM	#357 (permalink)
DarkFlyer Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 649 Rep Power: 16757	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Agreeing with Elvis and Adam, our interior no longer appears to be a weakness. I was impressed with Robinson in particular - he appears to be more fluid than most of the bigs UD gets (Benson notwithstanding). I see both Scott and Robinson getting regular minutes this year and foul trouble seems to be a diminished threat (with the exception of Dillard). And I remember thinking to myself in the first half, "If this is 70% of Josh Benson (his estimation in a recent article) then watch out when he gets healthy." If UD is going to surprise in the A-10 this season, Josh Benson will be a big piece of the puzzle. He already showed the maturation of his game before his injury last season, and now his body is finally manly. One trait I pray was not indicative of the team this season was the horrendous free throw shooting. It seemed they shot about 40%. I hope it was just tired legs. __________________ In Dillard we trust.

10-22-2012, 05:22 AM	#358 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,240 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Possible 2012-13 Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.) C: Matt Kavanaugh, Alex Gavrilovic, Jalen Robinson, and Devon Scott. PF: Josh Benson, Devon Scott, Jalen Robinson, and Alex Gavrilovic. SF: Matt Derenbecker, Devin Oliver, and Dyshawn Pierre. SG: Vee Sanford, Dyshawn Pierre, and Matt Derenbecker. PG: Kevin Dillard, Khari Price, and Vee Sanford. * Reserve roles will likely vary, depending on heights and strengths of opponents' players at each position. Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster Code: Player Class Pos. Height Weight Hometown 1. Matt Kavanaugh Senior C 6'-9" 250 lbs. Centerville, OH 2. Alex Gavrilovic Sophomore C 6'-9" 246 lbs. Strasbourg, France 3. Jalen Robinson Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 243 lbs. Columbus, OH 4. Josh Benson RS Senior PF/C 6'-9" 228 lbs. Dayton, OH 5. Devon Scott Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 215 lbs. Columbus, OH 6. Devin Oliver Junior CF 6'-7" 225 lbs. Kalamazoo, MI 7. Matt Derenbecker RS Soph. SF/SG 6'-7" 215 lbs. Metairie, LA 8. Dyshawn Pierre Freshman SF/SG 6'-6" 210 lbs. Whitby, Ontario 9. Jordan Sibert RS Soph. SG 6'-4" 187 lbs. Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.) 10. Vee Sanford RS Junior CG 6'-3" 192 lbs. Lexington, KY 11. Kevin Dillard RS Senior PG 6'-0" 182 lbs. Homewood, IL 12. Khari Price Freshman PG 5'-11" 170 lbs. Slidell, LA Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2013 signee = 1. Dayton Flyers 2013-14 Roster Code: Player Class Pos. Height Weight Hometown 1. Alex Gavrilovic Junior C 6'-9" 246 lbs. Strasbourg, France 2. Devon Scott Sophomore C 6'-9" 215 lbs. Columbus, OH 3. Jalen Robinson Sophomore PF 6'-9" 243 lbs. Columbus, OH 4. Devin Oliver Senior PF 6'-7" 225 lbs. Kalamazoo, MI 5. Matt Derenbecker RS Junior SF 6'-7" 215 lbs. Metairie, LA 6. Dyshawn Pierre Sophomore SF 6'-6" 210 lbs. Whitby, Ontario 7. Kendall Pollard Freshman SF 6'-6" 185 lbs. Chicago 8. Jordan Sibert RS Junior SG 6'-4" 187 lbs. Cincinnati, OH 9. Vee Sanford RS Senior SG 6'-3" 192 lbs. Lexington, KY 10. Dayshon Smith Freshman CG 6'-2" 170 lbs. New York City 11. Kyle Davis Freshman CG 6'-1" 165 lbs. Chicago 12. Khari Price Sophomore PG 5'-11" 170 lbs. Slidell, LA Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2014 signee = 1. Muddy's Observations: (1) In 2012-13, Archie Miller has a lot of flexibility in his frontcourt (i.e. players available and able to play multiple positions), but little flexibility in his backcourt. (2) In 2013-14, Archie Miller will have a lot of flexibility in his backcourt, but little flexibility in his frontcourt. (3) In 2012-13, Junior Devin Oliver will likely get most of his minutes at the SF position. (4) In 2013-14, Senior Devin Oliver will likely get most of his minutes at the PF position. (5) The 2013-14 Flyers team will be shorter, quicker, and more athletic than the 2012-13 team. (6) As deep as the 2012-13 Flyers are, the 2013-14 team will be even deeper, as freshmen Kyle Davis, Scoochie Smith, and Kendall Pollard should be adequately prepared to contribute quality minutes from the first game of the 2013-14 season (if they get the opportunity). (7) I would not attempt to propose a 2013-14 Depth Chart at this point, and Archie Miller might not decide his Depth Chart until the first game of the 2013-14 season. (8) I suspect that the 13th scholarship for the 2013-14 season will go to either a HS senior PF/C (or JUCO transfer PF/C) in the spring of 2013, or else Miller will use it to obtain one of the 400+ Dvision I transfers who will come onto the market in the spring of 2013. (9) I would be very surprized if Archie Miller accepted another commitment for the 2013-14 season prior to the spring of 2013. (10) I expect that Kyle Davis, Scoochie Smith, and Kendall Pollard will all submit their signed National Letters of Intent on November 14th and that they will have no eligibility issues (academic or otherwise). NLI Signing Dates for Prospective Student-Athletes Enrolling 2013-2014 (ncaa.org) Basketball (Early Period): November 14 to November 21, 2012 Basketball (Regular Period): April 17 to May 15, 2013 __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 10-22-2012 at 03:21 PM.

10-24-2012, 05:29 PM	#360 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Don't get dizzy spinning that hard, Muddy. In no way will this ever be a "blessing in disguise". Matt Kavanaugh would have been a solid contributor. He's a good player. Yes, the talent and depth is such that losing Kavanaugh isn't likely to be a season killer. But no matter how good the other big men are, Kavanaugh would have had a positive impact. Including Kavanaugh, there is/was not a single player on the roster who would make the team demonstrably worse when he is/was on the floor. That's actually the first time we can say that in several years. This is a very real bump in the road. Not a massive landslide that takes out the road, but a definite short term bump. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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