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AdamtheFlyer · 11-04-2012, 06:36 PM

First half was rough. Too many 3s.

Second half Dillard, Benson, and Sanford just took over. Good solid play from Robinson, Scott, and Oliver.

First impressions of Dyshawn Pierre are favorable. He is a really good athlete and showed good skill and IQ. We will see how many minutes he gets this year, but I think he's going to be a fine player down the line.

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**FlyingElvis** · 11-04-2012, 06:42 PM

I thought Walsh was impressive for div 2. They have two bigs who could play successfully in our league, which is where most division 2 teams are lacking.

We are good inside, and weak outside offensively. I was happy to see how Pierre played. I think he is a better wing option than Derenbecker right now. I absolutely love Jalen Robinson. He has true post skills with his back to the basket and he has a mid-range jumper too. The guy is going to be a load, IMO, both scoring and rebounding. He is going to end up as a featured player for us sooner or later.

I think we are going to be a good rebounding team with a chance to be dominant in that area. I was not impressed with our first half defense, but it got a lot better in the second half, and fueled our offense. Really, we should be good defensively later this year because of our athletic ability. If Archie can get us playing defense the way that we are capable of, we will work our way from the middle of the A10 into the upper quarter. There is a lot of potential there to be a very good defensive team as this young team develops. Our offense is going to be steady with our ability to pound the ball in the paint, but I don't see it being high-octane. That is why we have to be a very good defensive team to be in the top of the league.

I consider these guys our top players at this point:

Kevin Dillard
Jalen Robinson
Josh Benson
Vee Sanford

Those are all guys who I think can score in bunches and will perform consistantly. Vee Sanford has some talent as a defensive player too. The next level of guys is this:

Devin Oliver
Devon Scott
Dyshawn Pierre

I think those guys are going to be on/off offensive threats. Devin Oliver is much more aggressive, but still is a little hesitant with his jump shooting. I think all of these guys are going to be good on the glass. I'm not sure I have a good handle on Pierre yet. He played well and has athleticism, quickness, some shooting ability and the handle to put the ball on the floor, but I don't know just how good he can be yet after only one viewing. He had an air of confidence in his game.

I'm not sure where Gavrilovic fits in yet. We have not seen him play yet this season. I'm hoping for good things because Archie really talked him up right before Alex got mono.

Khari Price is a solid back-up pg who does not look to score much yet. I think he played some good defense, even though he is small. He gets right up in your grill because he is quick. He needs to exploit that quickness as much as possible.

Matt Derenbecker is still trying to find his shot. Hopefully, he finds it because I don't think he is very impressive in other facets of the game.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-04-2012, 06:50 PM

I should mention my 2 favorite plays.

1.Motion offense leads to Sanford posting up a smaller guard. Vee buries a short turnaround jumper.

2. Jalen Robinson hitting a one dribble pullup baseline jumper from 15 feet.

File those away. I bet you see both in the regular season.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-04-2012, 08:04 PM

Alright, now that I'm home, here are my expanded observations:

- Josh Benson is back. He looks great. Athletic as ever, can still jump out of the gym, and his skill level looks to be better as well. Kid can do big, big things in his senior year.

- Kevin Dillard is incredible. I thought he was too passive in the first half, but he came out in the second half and just took the game over. Finished with 9 assists and 1 turnover. I don't care who you are playing, that's outstanding.

- Vee Sanford is a next level athlete. Yes, Walsh is D2, but Sanford was simply too good for them. He had two plays late where he got the ball near midcourt and it looked like he was floating on air to the rim, leaving defenders in his dust. When he sets up for a shot, he can flat shoot. If he can avoid the Josh Parker trap of pullup threes and only take the catch and shoot opportunities, he can hit a very high percentage. I like Vee. I like Vee a lot.

- Jalen Robinson continues to impress, as does Devon Scott. Dyshawn Pierre looked really good for a guy who was in uniform for the first time ever and coming off an ankle injury. He's an athlete. Looked good shooting threes. Seems to have a high basketball IQ and overall skill level. Overall, this freshman class looks to be the most ready freshman class I have ever seen at UD. Roberts/Meacham were good early, but Binnie and Alvarez were not. All 4 of these guys are college ready. Price is a little behind the others, but that's expected from a PG. Hopefully he can wet his feet with a nice 8 minutes per game this year. He's ready for that. Probably not much more.

- They look to be ahead of where I thought they would be. The only player who has shown to be behind what was expected is Derenbecker. I think he's good enough for this level, but between the year off and the recent concussion, he may take a month or so. That's ok. I think getting a shot to splash will help him settle in. Gavrilovic will take time. He has to first get in shape, and then get into game shape. Could be a few weeks. That's ok, too. If/When both of those guys get comfortable, this team can have a pretty darn talented roster.

Still a long way from where they can get to, but if this team is a hunk of raw steel, you can see how it can be milled and crafted into an A10 title threat. It may happen, it may not. It will take Archie pushing the right buttons, good health, and guys finding and buying into their role. But the talent is real. They've had a productive and positive preseason. One more week of practice before the games count. Can't wait. Hoops is almost back!

Muddy Waters · 11-05-2012, 04:41 AM

I have posted here on a number of occasions that I think this season's edition of the Dayton Flyers will be better than last season's Flyers, and Walsh Head Coach Jeff Young agrees.

Dayton 81, Walsh 73 (Official Box Score - November 4, 2012)

Points in the paint: WALSHMEN 24, UD 52.

Points off turnovers: WALSHMEN 12, UD 12.

2nd chance points: WALSHMEN 6, UD 14.

Fast break points: WALSHMEN 9, UD 19.

Bench points: WALSHMEN 19, UD 15.

Score tied-4 times. Lead changed-6 times.

Largest lead: WALSHMEN by 10 - 1st half - 03:44, UD by 18 - 2nd half - 01:21.

BENSON’S DOUBLE-DOUBLE LEADS DAYTON TO EXHIBITION WIN OVER WALSH (Dayton Flyers - November 4, 2012)

DAYTON - The University of Dayton Flyers men’s basketball team used a second half surge to down the Walsh Cavaliers 81-63 Sunday night at UD Arena. Senior Josh Benson led four Flyers in double-figures with a double-double of 22 points and 12 rebounds as the Flyers finished the exhibition portion of their schedule.

Benson converted on 11-of-15 shots for the game, including a perfect 7-of-7 from the field in the second half for 14 points. Two other Flyers nearly joined Benson with double-doubles as junior Devin Oliver scored eight points and pulled down 11 rebounds and senior Kevin Dillard scored 11 points and dished out nine assists.

Freshman Jalen Robinson converted 5-of-9 shots for 13 points and hauled in seven rebounds. Junior Vee Sanford had a complete game of 12 points, four rebounds and four steals. Sanford scored all 12 of his points in the second half, going 5-of-7 from the field and 2-of-3 from the three.

Flyers Roll to Win with Second-half Surge (Doug Harris, DDN - November 4, 2012)

"They wore us down. They’re bigger, stronger and more physical than us. Over the course of 40 minutes, that’s going to take a toll," said Walsh coach Jeff Young, whose team dropped a 12-point decision to fourth-ranked Ohio State last week.

"I like them a lot," he added of the Flyers. "I know they’ve had some early injuries. But you have to have a good point guard to win at this level, and they have that. He can make plays and get guys involved. They’ve got great size. They can rotate some guys in and out of there. And they can really get to the glass."

"I think they’re going to be better than they were last year. But they’re younger, so it’s going to take some time. Coach does a great job with them, and they’ll continue to get better."

When Alex Gavrilovic is healthy again, the Flyers will be even stronger in the paint.

Muddy Waters · 11-05-2012, 04:53 AM

UD's Gavrilovic Beefs Up, Ready for New Season (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012)

But the player making perhaps the biggest jump physically is Gavrilovic.

The 6-9 France native weighed 225 at the end of the last season and is up to 250 pounds this year. He also improved his bench press, going from six reps of 185 pounds (the weight used at the NBA Combine) to 16 this year.

"I play a position where you have to be strong and be physical in rebounding and on defense and offense. Everything you do on the block and in the paint is physical. That will help me out a lot," Gavrilovic said.

Although coach Archie Miller was pleased with the off-season dedication from all the Flyers, he said Gavrilovic was perhaps the most improved player.

"He’s always been a big kid, but I don’t think he’s been as strong as he is. That’s a credit to Paul and his strength program," Miller said. "He’s a much different player, banging in and around the basket — even with a guy like Kav and some of these young guys. He’s an overwhelmingly stronger player."

"He’s always been in great shape, and he’s always been mobile. But you’re looking at a guy who in 12 months was able to get a lower body. Strength and conditioning is the backbone of our program. Looking at him and watching him play and compete, he’s a much better player right now."

Best wishes to Alex (who missed last night's game) on a speedy recovery.

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Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster

Code:

    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 2. Jalen Robinson    Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   240 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 3. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF/C  6'-9"   235 lbs.  Dayton, OH
 4. Devon Scott       Freshman   PF/C  6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 5. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 6. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph.  SF/SG  6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 7. Dyshawn Pierre    Freshman  SF/SG  6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 8. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
 9. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

10. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
11. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for Spring 2013 signees = 2.

TheCobra · 11-05-2012, 04:57 AM

Adam, I hope Price can play more than 8 minutes per game, because he will likely have to. He is the primary backup at PG and SG. Unless you expect Vee and KD to play 36 minutes per game, Price will play more. He has played around 19 minutes in both exhibitions.

Muddy Waters · 11-05-2012, 05:06 PM

Freshman Prepared to Contribute for Flyers (Doug Harris, DDN - November 5, 2012)

Jalen Robinson, a 6-foot-9, 240-pound forward, had 13 points and seven rebounds in 21 minutes during an 81-63 win over Walsh on Sunday night after getting 19 and 10 against Findlay last week.

Robinson and Scott have gotten plenty of extra time on the practice floor and in games.

"Jalen’s got a unique game," Miller said. "He’s a very crafty player. He’s got quick feet. He’s got great hands and great footwork. And he’s unorthodox for a lot of people around the basket because I don’t think they understand how long he is and how big he is. He’s going to be a terrific player."

Robinson, who started both exhibitions, sparked the struggling Flyers at the beginning of the second half against Walsh. He had a rebound off a teammate’s missed free throw, leading to a bucket, and bulled his way to another rugged rebound and put-back in the first 97 seconds.

He sprained his ankle under the basket with 18 minutes left and hobbled off. But after being treated by trainer Nate Seymour in the locker room, Robinson returned later in the second half.

"He’s another big body for us — a great finisher down low and a great rebounder," Dillard said. "If he keeps working, he can be a big part of our success."

"Our team is different this year," Miller added. "We’re much bigger. We’re much more physical."

AdamtheFlyer · 11-05-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCobra

Adam, I hope Price can play more than 8 minutes per game, because he will likely have to. He is the primary backup at PG and SG. Unless you expect Vee and KD to play 36 minutes per game, Price will play more. He has played around 19 minutes in both exhibitions.

I don't think Price is necessarily the primary backup at the 2. At times it looked that way in the exhibitions, but Pierre missed one and is probably still getting up to speed. And Derenbecker looks rusty and is probably just now getting back toward normal after his concussion.

Dillard and Sanford will play a lot of minutes, probably 30-33 each. They are older, 5th and 4th year academically, and far more basketball experienced. The backcourt is their show. I would be pretty surprised if Price gets much more than 8 minutes per game (more against lesser teams, less in the big games). There are too many other guys who can cover the 2 (Pierre, Oliver, Derenbecker), all of which would appear to be better scoring options (even with Derenbecker's early shooting slump) and bring more diverse overall games. I don't fall in love with prototypes, but running two guards under 6 feet tall is not ideal, unless they are either elite or seasoned vets. Only one applies there. I can't see Archie doing that very often.

As an aside, I really love the size of this team. No giants, but they will run tall guys out in droves. Sanford is pushing 6'4", Pierre 6'5", and 6 guys are 6'7" or taller. That's not your typical A10 size. May give up a half step of quickness to a few teams, but the advantages far outweigh that.

I like Price, but it's probably better for both him and the team if he can just be a backup PG. A few possessions here and there at the 2 will happen, but much more would signal an issue with other potential SGs.

TheCobra · 11-06-2012, 04:19 AM

I dont disagree that Price is better suited for PG and that it would be really nice if we had Caris LaVert or someone like that to back up at 2G. But, Price DID back up at the 2G in the first two games. There was not a second that two of Price/Dillard/Sanford were not on the court (except when the walk ons came in).

Findlay: Dillard (30) + Sanford (31) + Price (17) + Vonderhaar (1) + D. WIlliams (1) = 80 minutes at 1G and 2G.

Walsh: Dillard (31) + Sanford (30) + Price (19) + Vonderhaar (1)= 81 mins

Obviously during the season we will probably see Dillard and Sanford play even more, but the only information we have indicates Price is the backup 2G.

I agree that Pierre looks capable of stepping into a limited back up 2G role, and Oliver could do it for spot duty. But again, you inflate reality with regard to Derenbecker. In the 2 exhibition games, he spent time at the 3 and the 4! He is not a 2G and will get smoked by any guard he tries to guard. He has not played 2G not because he had a concussion, but because he isn't a 2G.

I agree its not great to have two guards under 6'0 on the court, but teams do it all the time. I think Archie wants his guards to be able to handle the ball - all of them. We might see Pierre or Oliver in spot duty at the 2. But, to start the season, it looks like its Price. There is nothing to indicate otherwise.

College Hoops · 11-06-2012, 06:07 AM

I think some posters may be a little hard on Derenbecker. Its going to take some time to shake out the rust in his game and the effects of a concussion. I'm not saying he is an NBA lottery pick, but rather that he will be a plus addition to the team. i pulled the following from ESPN. As you'll see once LSU entered conference play his minutes played increased substantially, and he wasn't exactly playing against Little Sisters of the Poor University.

2010-11 GAME LOG
DATE OPP RESULT MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
Fri 11/12
vsNW ST
W 87-78 6 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 2 2 0
Tue 11/16
vsNICHOLLS ST
L 62-53 28 5-10 .500 3-7 .429 1-1 1.000 6 0 0 0 3 2 14
Thu 11/18
vsTENN-MARTIN
W 79-56 19 1-3 .333 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 2 0 0 0 1 1 2
Sun 11/21
vs#19 MEMPHIS
L 70-61 8 0-3 .000 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
Wed 11/24
vsCENTENARY
W 78-36 22 3-8 .375 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 1 0 1 1 6
Sun 11/28
@SOUTH ALABAMA
W 80-65 15 3-3 1.000 2-2 1.000 1-2 .500 4 2 0 1 2 0 9
Tue 11/30
vsHOUSTON
W 73-57 11 2-4 .500 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 0 1 5
Sat 12/11
vsCENT MICHIGAN
W 59-55 7 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 0 0 2 1 0
Mon 12/13
vsCOAST CAROLINA
L 78-69 (OT) 18 1-6 .167 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 1 3 0 0 2 0 3
Thu 12/16
vsMCNEESE ST
W 78-66 (OT) 13 0-1 .000 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 1 0 0
Sat 12/18
vsWICHITA ST
L 70-69 14 1-5 .200 0-2 .000 2-3 .667 1 1 0 1 2 0 4
Wed 12/22
vsNORTH TEXAS
L 75-55 21 1-6 .167 0-2 .000 1-2 .500 0 2 0 2 1 1 3
Mon 12/27
vsSOUTHERN
W 62-41 24 3-7 .429 2-4 .500 0-0 .000 2 3 0 1 2 0 8
Wed 12/29
@RICE
L 74-68 23 5-9 .556 3-6 .500 4-5 .800 3 0 0 0 2 1 17
Sun 1/2
@VIRGINIA
L 64-50 6 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Sat 1/8
@AUBURN
W 62-55 39 6-12 .500 3-7 .429 0-0 .000 8 3 0 1 2 2 15
Wed 1/12
vsARKANSAS
W 56-53 38 5-9 .556 0-4 .000 2-4 .500 6 2 0 2 2 3 12
Sat 1/15
@#15 KENTUCKY
L 82-44 26 2-9 .222 0-5 .000 0-0 .000 2 3 0 0 1 0 4
Sat 1/22
vsOLE MISS
L 78-51 37 4-11 .364 2-6 .333 4-4 1.000 5 1 0 4 3 1 14
Wed 1/26
@TENNESSEE
L 75-53 36 5-11 .455 2-7 .286 1-1 1.000 2 2 0 1 1 2 13
Sat 1/29
@ALABAMA
L 70-46 30 4-11 .364 2-7 .286 0-0 .000 2 0 0 2 2 3 10
Wed 2/2
vsSOUTH CAROLINA
L 64-56 23 1-7 .143 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 2 1 0 0 2 1 3
Sat 2/5
vsMISS. ST
L 58-57 8 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 1 0 0 0 0 2 0
Wed 2/9
@OLE MISS
L 66-60 37 6-10 .600 5-7 .714 2-2 1.000 2 1 0 1 2 1 19
Sat 2/12
@ARKANSAS
L 80-61 28 5-11 .455 2-5 .400 1-2 .500 1 0 0 0 2 1 13
Thu 2/17
vsALABAMA
L 67-56 27 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 0-0 .000 3 2 0 0 1 1 3
Sun 2/20
vs#15 FLORIDA
L 68-61 30 3-6 .500 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 2 2 0 1 2 1 8
Wed 2/23
@MISS. ST
W 84-82 19 3-7 .429 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 3 2 1 2 1 1 8
Sat 2/26
vs#18 VANDERBILT
L 90-69 22 0-5 .000 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 0 0 3 1 0
Wed 3/2
@GEORGIA
L 73-53 29 1-3 .333 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 2 1 0 3 1 2 3
Sat 3/5
vsAUBURN
L 60-51 30 3-9 .333 1-4 .250 1-2 .500 3 2 0 1 2 6 8
Thu 3/10
vs#24 VANDERBILT
L 62-50 30 1-5 .200 0-0 .000 1-2 .500 2 3 0 1 0 0 3
Glossary

**xu95** · 11-06-2012, 09:13 AM

I read somewhere that because he is a transfer from a BCS school that there will be absolutely no ramp up period. Expect him to be lights out from day 1.

Muddy Waters · 11-11-2012, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by xu95

I read somewhere that because he is a transfer from a BCS school that there will be absolutely no ramp up period.

Expect him to be lights out from day 1.

Matt Derenbecker shot the ball only once in the game (from 22 feet out) and it went in.

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Sanford Finally Gets His Chance (Doug Harris, DDN - November 10, 2012)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingElvis earlier today

Vee Sanford is beginning to look like a heck of a pick-up for us. He can score inside and out, and the guy can defend too. That makes a darn good starting backcourt with Dillard.

Benson is the suprise of the year so far for me. His new-found ability to hit the 15-20 foot jumper is going to make it hard to find the right guy to defend him because his length is hard to handle driving to the basket.

Benson: Knee 'Coming Along' After Surgery (Doug Harris, DDN - November 9, 2012)

6'-9", 235-lb. Josh Benson

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Originally Posted by owlfan2272

DAYTON (-7) plays Arkansas State at 2 pm

DAYTON TRUMPS ARKANSAS STATE IN SEASON OPENER, 74-61 (Dayton Flyers - November 10, 2012)

Dayton 74, Arkansas State 61 (Official Box Score - November 10, 2012)

SG Vee Sanford led the Flyers with 18 points (7-10 FGs, 3-5 3-Pointers, and 1-1 FTs).

PG Kevin Dillard had 12 points and 10 assists.

Josh Benson had 14 points (7-9 FGs) and 8 rebounds.

Flyers' shooting: 53 % FGs, 50 % 3-Pointers (8-16), and 71 % FTs.

Dillard Puts Up Good Numbers Despite Early Struggles (Doug Harris, DDN - November 10, 2012)

TheCobra · 11-11-2012, 09:31 AM

Adam -- it looks like you were right that we have other options at the backup 2G. Very encouraging performances by Pierre and Derenbecker at that spot.

I sure hope we can expect something close to that from Sanford this year. He was awesome. Archie said he and Dillard were going at each other in practice the other day, which is a great sign. If he plays with confidence, we will have a dynamic backcourt. Dillard will not shoot 3-13 often, but he will be around 10 assists often, I suspect.

Benson has become a player who can stretch the defense. He does not have range to three point line, but he made 3 medium range jumpers. He is becoming a guy who Dillard can drive and kick to, which we are searching for after losing last year's seniors. Optimistically, we have 4 on this year's team: Sanford, Derenbecker, Pierre, and Benson. That's plenty if those guys can keep shooting well.

Love having the Frechman back. He will be a quality player this year. He, Scott and Robinson provide nice complementary pieces around Benson down low.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-11-2012, 10:35 AM

Yeah. Neither guy is a true SG, but the lure of having that size and shooting ability seems to be enticing. Pierre is a good enough athlete that, as he grows as a player, should be able to defend SGs. Derenbecker will probably be good enough defensively to get a handful of minutes at SG. And I think both guys will rebound well, and probably shoot a mid 30s percentage from outside.

Vee will get a lot of minutes, he played 30 while sitting out 5 minutes with 4 fouls, but I think Derenbecker and Pierre will fill most of the rest.

11-04-2012, 06:36 PM	#421 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	First half was rough. Too many 3s. Second half Dillard, Benson, and Sanford just took over. Good solid play from Robinson, Scott, and Oliver. First impressions of Dyshawn Pierre are favorable. He is a really good athlete and showed good skill and IQ. We will see how many minutes he gets this year, but I think he's going to be a fine player down the line. Sent from my DROIDX using VerticalSports.Com App __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

11-04-2012, 06:42 PM	#422 (permalink)
FlyingElvis Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Memphis - Dayton - Vegas Posts: 2,407 Rep Power: 148977	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers I thought Walsh was impressive for div 2. They have two bigs who could play successfully in our league, which is where most division 2 teams are lacking. We are good inside, and weak outside offensively. I was happy to see how Pierre played. I think he is a better wing option than Derenbecker right now. I absolutely love Jalen Robinson. He has true post skills with his back to the basket and he has a mid-range jumper too. The guy is going to be a load, IMO, both scoring and rebounding. He is going to end up as a featured player for us sooner or later. I think we are going to be a good rebounding team with a chance to be dominant in that area. I was not impressed with our first half defense, but it got a lot better in the second half, and fueled our offense. Really, we should be good defensively later this year because of our athletic ability. If Archie can get us playing defense the way that we are capable of, we will work our way from the middle of the A10 into the upper quarter. There is a lot of potential there to be a very good defensive team as this young team develops. Our offense is going to be steady with our ability to pound the ball in the paint, but I don't see it being high-octane. That is why we have to be a very good defensive team to be in the top of the league. I consider these guys our top players at this point: Kevin Dillard Jalen Robinson Josh Benson Vee Sanford Those are all guys who I think can score in bunches and will perform consistantly. Vee Sanford has some talent as a defensive player too. The next level of guys is this: Devin Oliver Devon Scott Dyshawn Pierre I think those guys are going to be on/off offensive threats. Devin Oliver is much more aggressive, but still is a little hesitant with his jump shooting. I think all of these guys are going to be good on the glass. I'm not sure I have a good handle on Pierre yet. He played well and has athleticism, quickness, some shooting ability and the handle to put the ball on the floor, but I don't know just how good he can be yet after only one viewing. He had an air of confidence in his game. I'm not sure where Gavrilovic fits in yet. We have not seen him play yet this season. I'm hoping for good things because Archie really talked him up right before Alex got mono. Khari Price is a solid back-up pg who does not look to score much yet. I think he played some good defense, even though he is small. He gets right up in your grill because he is quick. He needs to exploit that quickness as much as possible. Matt Derenbecker is still trying to find his shot. Hopefully, he finds it because I don't think he is very impressive in other facets of the game. __________________ "US Bank Arena can't be that bad" Last edited by FlyingElvis; 11-05-2012 at 10:53 PM.

11-04-2012, 06:50 PM	#423 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	I should mention my 2 favorite plays. 1.Motion offense leads to Sanford posting up a smaller guard. Vee buries a short turnaround jumper. 2. Jalen Robinson hitting a one dribble pullup baseline jumper from 15 feet. File those away. I bet you see both in the regular season. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism. Last edited by AdamtheFlyer; 11-04-2012 at 07:01 PM.

11-04-2012, 08:04 PM	#424 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Alright, now that I'm home, here are my expanded observations: - Josh Benson is back. He looks great. Athletic as ever, can still jump out of the gym, and his skill level looks to be better as well. Kid can do big, big things in his senior year. - Kevin Dillard is incredible. I thought he was too passive in the first half, but he came out in the second half and just took the game over. Finished with 9 assists and 1 turnover. I don't care who you are playing, that's outstanding. - Vee Sanford is a next level athlete. Yes, Walsh is D2, but Sanford was simply too good for them. He had two plays late where he got the ball near midcourt and it looked like he was floating on air to the rim, leaving defenders in his dust. When he sets up for a shot, he can flat shoot. If he can avoid the Josh Parker trap of pullup threes and only take the catch and shoot opportunities, he can hit a very high percentage. I like Vee. I like Vee a lot. - Jalen Robinson continues to impress, as does Devon Scott. Dyshawn Pierre looked really good for a guy who was in uniform for the first time ever and coming off an ankle injury. He's an athlete. Looked good shooting threes. Seems to have a high basketball IQ and overall skill level. Overall, this freshman class looks to be the most ready freshman class I have ever seen at UD. Roberts/Meacham were good early, but Binnie and Alvarez were not. All 4 of these guys are college ready. Price is a little behind the others, but that's expected from a PG. Hopefully he can wet his feet with a nice 8 minutes per game this year. He's ready for that. Probably not much more. - They look to be ahead of where I thought they would be. The only player who has shown to be behind what was expected is Derenbecker. I think he's good enough for this level, but between the year off and the recent concussion, he may take a month or so. That's ok. I think getting a shot to splash will help him settle in. Gavrilovic will take time. He has to first get in shape, and then get into game shape. Could be a few weeks. That's ok, too. If/When both of those guys get comfortable, this team can have a pretty darn talented roster. Still a long way from where they can get to, but if this team is a hunk of raw steel, you can see how it can be milled and crafted into an A10 title threat. It may happen, it may not. It will take Archie pushing the right buttons, good health, and guys finding and buying into their role. But the talent is real. They've had a productive and positive preseason. One more week of practice before the games count. Can't wait. Hoops is almost back! __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism. Last edited by AdamtheFlyer; 11-04-2012 at 08:17 PM.

11-05-2012, 04:41 AM	#425 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,288 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers I have posted here on a number of occasions that I think this season's edition of the Dayton Flyers will be better than last season's Flyers, and Walsh Head Coach Jeff Young agrees. Dayton 81, Walsh 73 (Official Box Score - November 4, 2012) Points in the paint: WALSHMEN 24, UD 52. Points off turnovers: WALSHMEN 12, UD 12. 2nd chance points: WALSHMEN 6, UD 14. Fast break points: WALSHMEN 9, UD 19. Bench points: WALSHMEN 19, UD 15. Score tied-4 times. Lead changed-6 times. Largest lead: WALSHMEN by 10 - 1st half - 03:44, UD by 18 - 2nd half - 01:21. BENSON’S DOUBLE-DOUBLE LEADS DAYTON TO EXHIBITION WIN OVER WALSH (Dayton Flyers - November 4, 2012) DAYTON - The University of Dayton Flyers men’s basketball team used a second half surge to down the Walsh Cavaliers 81-63 Sunday night at UD Arena. Senior Josh Benson led four Flyers in double-figures with a double-double of 22 points and 12 rebounds as the Flyers finished the exhibition portion of their schedule. Benson converted on 11-of-15 shots for the game, including a perfect 7-of-7 from the field in the second half for 14 points. Two other Flyers nearly joined Benson with double-doubles as junior Devin Oliver scored eight points and pulled down 11 rebounds and senior Kevin Dillard scored 11 points and dished out nine assists. Freshman Jalen Robinson converted 5-of-9 shots for 13 points and hauled in seven rebounds. Junior Vee Sanford had a complete game of 12 points, four rebounds and four steals. Sanford scored all 12 of his points in the second half, going 5-of-7 from the field and 2-of-3 from the three. Flyers Roll to Win with Second-half Surge (Doug Harris, DDN - November 4, 2012) "They wore us down. They’re bigger, stronger and more physical than us. Over the course of 40 minutes, that’s going to take a toll," said Walsh coach Jeff Young, whose team dropped a 12-point decision to fourth-ranked Ohio State last week. "I like them a lot," he added of the Flyers. "I know they’ve had some early injuries. But you have to have a good point guard to win at this level, and they have that. He can make plays and get guys involved. They’ve got great size. They can rotate some guys in and out of there. And they can really get to the glass." "I think they’re going to be better than they were last year. But they’re younger, so it’s going to take some time. Coach does a great job with them, and they’ll continue to get better." When Alex Gavrilovic is healthy again, the Flyers will be even stronger in the paint. __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 11-05-2012 at 05:46 AM.

11-05-2012, 04:53 AM	#426 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,288 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers UD's Gavrilovic Beefs Up, Ready for New Season (Doug Harris, DDN - October 17, 2012) But the player making perhaps the biggest jump physically is Gavrilovic. The 6-9 France native weighed 225 at the end of the last season and is up to 250 pounds this year. He also improved his bench press, going from six reps of 185 pounds (the weight used at the NBA Combine) to 16 this year. "I play a position where you have to be strong and be physical in rebounding and on defense and offense. Everything you do on the block and in the paint is physical. That will help me out a lot," Gavrilovic said. Although coach Archie Miller was pleased with the off-season dedication from all the Flyers, he said Gavrilovic was perhaps the most improved player. "He’s always been a big kid, but I don’t think he’s been as strong as he is. That’s a credit to Paul and his strength program," Miller said. "He’s a much different player, banging in and around the basket — even with a guy like Kav and some of these young guys. He’s an overwhelmingly stronger player." "He’s always been in great shape, and he’s always been mobile. But you’re looking at a guy who in 12 months was able to get a lower body. Strength and conditioning is the backbone of our program. Looking at him and watching him play and compete, he’s a much better player right now." Best wishes to Alex (who missed last night's game) on a speedy recovery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster Code: Player Class Pos. Height Weight Hometown 1. Alex Gavrilovic Sophomore C 6'-9" 250 lbs. Strasbourg, France 2. Jalen Robinson Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 240 lbs. Columbus, OH 3. Josh Benson RS Senior PF/C 6'-9" 235 lbs. Dayton, OH 4. Devon Scott Freshman PF/C 6'-9" 215 lbs. Columbus, OH 5. Devin Oliver Junior CF 6'-7" 225 lbs. Kalamazoo, MI 6. Matt Derenbecker RS Soph. SF/SG 6'-7" 215 lbs. Metairie, LA 7. Dyshawn Pierre Freshman SF/SG 6'-6" 210 lbs. Whitby, Ontario 8. Jordan Sibert RS Soph. SG 6'-4" 187 lbs. Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.) 9. Vee Sanford RS Junior CG 6'-3" 192 lbs. Lexington, KY 10. Kevin Dillard RS Senior PG 6'-0" 182 lbs. Homewood, IL 11. Khari Price Freshman PG 5'-11" 170 lbs. Slidell, LA Scholarships presently available for Spring 2013 signees = 2. __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 11-05-2012 at 05:00 PM.

11-05-2012, 04:57 AM	#427 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Adam, I hope Price can play more than 8 minutes per game, because he will likely have to. He is the primary backup at PG and SG. Unless you expect Vee and KD to play 36 minutes per game, Price will play more. He has played around 19 minutes in both exhibitions.

11-05-2012, 05:06 PM	#428 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,288 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Freshman Prepared to Contribute for Flyers (Doug Harris, DDN - November 5, 2012) Jalen Robinson, a 6-foot-9, 240-pound forward, had 13 points and seven rebounds in 21 minutes during an 81-63 win over Walsh on Sunday night after getting 19 and 10 against Findlay last week. Robinson and Scott have gotten plenty of extra time on the practice floor and in games. "Jalen’s got a unique game," Miller said. "He’s a very crafty player. He’s got quick feet. He’s got great hands and great footwork. And he’s unorthodox for a lot of people around the basket because I don’t think they understand how long he is and how big he is. He’s going to be a terrific player." Robinson, who started both exhibitions, sparked the struggling Flyers at the beginning of the second half against Walsh. He had a rebound off a teammate’s missed free throw, leading to a bucket, and bulled his way to another rugged rebound and put-back in the first 97 seconds. He sprained his ankle under the basket with 18 minutes left and hobbled off. But after being treated by trainer Nate Seymour in the locker room, Robinson returned later in the second half. "He’s another big body for us — a great finisher down low and a great rebounder," Dillard said. "If he keeps working, he can be a big part of our success." "Our team is different this year," Miller added. "We’re much bigger. We’re much more physical." __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier

11-06-2012, 04:19 AM	#430 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers I dont disagree that Price is better suited for PG and that it would be really nice if we had Caris LaVert or someone like that to back up at 2G. But, Price DID back up at the 2G in the first two games. There was not a second that two of Price/Dillard/Sanford were not on the court (except when the walk ons came in). Findlay: Dillard (30) + Sanford (31) + Price (17) + Vonderhaar (1) + D. WIlliams (1) = 80 minutes at 1G and 2G. Walsh: Dillard (31) + Sanford (30) + Price (19) + Vonderhaar (1)= 81 mins Obviously during the season we will probably see Dillard and Sanford play even more, but the only information we have indicates Price is the backup 2G. I agree that Pierre looks capable of stepping into a limited back up 2G role, and Oliver could do it for spot duty. But again, you inflate reality with regard to Derenbecker. In the 2 exhibition games, he spent time at the 3 and the 4! He is not a 2G and will get smoked by any guard he tries to guard. He has not played 2G not because he had a concussion, but because he isn't a 2G. I agree its not great to have two guards under 6'0 on the court, but teams do it all the time. I think Archie wants his guards to be able to handle the ball - all of them. We might see Pierre or Oliver in spot duty at the 2. But, to start the season, it looks like its Price. There is nothing to indicate otherwise. Last edited by TheCobra; 11-06-2012 at 04:27 AM.

11-06-2012, 06:07 AM	#431 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 349 Rep Power: 8869	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers I think some posters may be a little hard on Derenbecker. Its going to take some time to shake out the rust in his game and the effects of a concussion. I'm not saying he is an NBA lottery pick, but rather that he will be a plus addition to the team. i pulled the following from ESPN. As you'll see once LSU entered conference play his minutes played increased substantially, and he wasn't exactly playing against Little Sisters of the Poor University. 2010-11 GAME LOG DATE OPP RESULT MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS Fri 11/12 vsNW ST W 87-78 6 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 Tue 11/16 vsNICHOLLS ST L 62-53 28 5-10 .500 3-7 .429 1-1 1.000 6 0 0 0 3 2 14 Thu 11/18 vsTENN-MARTIN W 79-56 19 1-3 .333 0-2 .000 0-0 .000 2 0 0 0 1 1 2 Sun 11/21 vs#19 MEMPHIS L 70-61 8 0-3 .000 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 Wed 11/24 vsCENTENARY W 78-36 22 3-8 .375 0-4 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 1 0 1 1 6 Sun 11/28 @SOUTH ALABAMA W 80-65 15 3-3 1.000 2-2 1.000 1-2 .500 4 2 0 1 2 0 9 Tue 11/30 vsHOUSTON W 73-57 11 2-4 .500 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 0 1 5 Sat 12/11 vsCENT MICHIGAN W 59-55 7 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 0 0 2 1 0 Mon 12/13 vsCOAST CAROLINA L 78-69 (OT) 18 1-6 .167 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 1 3 0 0 2 0 3 Thu 12/16 vsMCNEESE ST W 78-66 (OT) 13 0-1 .000 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 1 1 0 0 1 0 0 Sat 12/18 vsWICHITA ST L 70-69 14 1-5 .200 0-2 .000 2-3 .667 1 1 0 1 2 0 4 Wed 12/22 vsNORTH TEXAS L 75-55 21 1-6 .167 0-2 .000 1-2 .500 0 2 0 2 1 1 3 Mon 12/27 vsSOUTHERN W 62-41 24 3-7 .429 2-4 .500 0-0 .000 2 3 0 1 2 0 8 Wed 12/29 @RICE L 74-68 23 5-9 .556 3-6 .500 4-5 .800 3 0 0 0 2 1 17 Sun 1/2 @VIRGINIA L 64-50 6 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 Sat 1/8 @AUBURN W 62-55 39 6-12 .500 3-7 .429 0-0 .000 8 3 0 1 2 2 15 Wed 1/12 vsARKANSAS W 56-53 38 5-9 .556 0-4 .000 2-4 .500 6 2 0 2 2 3 12 Sat 1/15 @#15 KENTUCKY L 82-44 26 2-9 .222 0-5 .000 0-0 .000 2 3 0 0 1 0 4 Sat 1/22 vsOLE MISS L 78-51 37 4-11 .364 2-6 .333 4-4 1.000 5 1 0 4 3 1 14 Wed 1/26 @TENNESSEE L 75-53 36 5-11 .455 2-7 .286 1-1 1.000 2 2 0 1 1 2 13 Sat 1/29 @ALABAMA L 70-46 30 4-11 .364 2-7 .286 0-0 .000 2 0 0 2 2 3 10 Wed 2/2 vsSOUTH CAROLINA L 64-56 23 1-7 .143 1-4 .250 0-0 .000 2 1 0 0 2 1 3 Sat 2/5 vsMISS. ST L 58-57 8 0-1 .000 0-0 .000 0-0 .000 1 0 0 0 0 2 0 Wed 2/9 @OLE MISS L 66-60 37 6-10 .600 5-7 .714 2-2 1.000 2 1 0 1 2 1 19 Sat 2/12 @ARKANSAS L 80-61 28 5-11 .455 2-5 .400 1-2 .500 1 0 0 0 2 1 13 Thu 2/17 vsALABAMA L 67-56 27 1-4 .250 1-3 .333 0-0 .000 3 2 0 0 1 1 3 Sun 2/20 vs#15 FLORIDA L 68-61 30 3-6 .500 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 2 2 0 1 2 1 8 Wed 2/23 @MISS. ST W 84-82 19 3-7 .429 2-3 .667 0-0 .000 3 2 1 2 1 1 8 Sat 2/26 vs#18 VANDERBILT L 90-69 22 0-5 .000 0-3 .000 0-0 .000 0 1 0 0 3 1 0 Wed 3/2 @GEORGIA L 73-53 29 1-3 .333 1-2 .500 0-0 .000 2 1 0 3 1 2 3 Sat 3/5 vsAUBURN L 60-51 30 3-9 .333 1-4 .250 1-2 .500 3 2 0 1 2 6 8 Thu 3/10 vs#24 VANDERBILT L 62-50 30 1-5 .200 0-0 .000 1-2 .500 2 3 0 1 0 0 3 Glossary

11-06-2012, 09:13 AM	#432 (permalink)
xu95 Community Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cincinnati Age: 40 Posts: 3,580 Rep Power: 332174	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers I read somewhere that because he is a transfer from a BCS school that there will be absolutely no ramp up period. Expect him to be lights out from day 1.

11-11-2012, 09:31 AM	#434 (permalink)
TheCobra 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 334 Rep Power: 9521	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Adam -- it looks like you were right that we have other options at the backup 2G. Very encouraging performances by Pierre and Derenbecker at that spot. I sure hope we can expect something close to that from Sanford this year. He was awesome. Archie said he and Dillard were going at each other in practice the other day, which is a great sign. If he plays with confidence, we will have a dynamic backcourt. Dillard will not shoot 3-13 often, but he will be around 10 assists often, I suspect. Benson has become a player who can stretch the defense. He does not have range to three point line, but he made 3 medium range jumpers. He is becoming a guy who Dillard can drive and kick to, which we are searching for after losing last year's seniors. Optimistically, we have 4 on this year's team: Sanford, Derenbecker, Pierre, and Benson. That's plenty if those guys can keep shooting well. Love having the Frechman back. He will be a quality player this year. He, Scott and Robinson provide nice complementary pieces around Benson down low.

11-11-2012, 10:35 AM	#435 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers Yeah. Neither guy is a true SG, but the lure of having that size and shooting ability seems to be enticing. Pierre is a good enough athlete that, as he grows as a player, should be able to defend SGs. Derenbecker will probably be good enough defensively to get a handful of minutes at SG. And I think both guys will rebound well, and probably shoot a mid 30s percentage from outside. Vee will get a lot of minutes, he played 30 while sitting out 5 minutes with 4 fouls, but I think Derenbecker and Pierre will fill most of the rest. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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