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Old 11-18-2012, 05:13 PM   #451 (permalink)
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Dayton 73, Auburn 63 (Charleston Classic - ESPN Box Score)

The Flyers pick up their second BCS-conference scalp in Charleston.


Senior Kevin Dillard: 20 points and 3 assists.

Freshman Jalen Robinson: 12 points and 7 rebounds.

Junior Devin Oliver: 12 points and 6 rebounds.

Freshman Dyshawn Pierre: 7 points and 6 rebounds.


The Flyers out-shot and out-rebounded the Tigers and go to 3-1 on the season.

Dillard Leads UD Past Auburn (David Jablonski, DDN - November 18, 2012)


Robinson Steps Up When Flyers Need Him (David Jablonski, DDN - November 18, 2012)


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Our frosh are pretty good, especially Jalen Robinson and Dyshawn Pierre. And this Vee Sanford transfer can play too. Those are three guys who I was unsure about before the season that are solid, steady offensive contributors now. I think the most critical is Robinson. We really needed some punch in the post. We needed that balance offensively.

I have growing confidence in this group. They are not dominant by any stretch of the imagination, but they are going to develop more than normal from beginning to end because most of them are so young or new to the team. I really want them to keep getting better defensively. I think they have the tools to do that. I feel they are being well coached too.

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I have to think the defense will improve. This won't be a great defensive team, but they are capable of being good enough over 40 minutes, and potentially great in the final minutes. Oliver and Sanford have the size and quickness to shut down just about any wing or forward when a game comes down to a condensed final few possessions. They can go quick by putting in Price (who is far more advanced defensively than I expected) with Dillard, Oliver, Sanford and Benson and really clamp down on a high ball screen attack.

They aren't where they need to be, they aren't particularly close, but I don't see this as a poor defensive team. They'll be ok.

The offense has a chance to be dynamic. Benson and Sanford are better than they played today. Dillard will be Dillard. Throw in some real growth from Oliver and the early returns from Pierre and Robinson, and they potentially could have a "who do you guard?" offense. Like the defense, it's nowhere close yet, but even in the early stages this is a very potent attack.
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Colorado 67, Dayton 57 (Charleston Classic - ESPN Box Score)

The Flyers played hard enough to win, but the shots wouldn't fall for them.
Credit Colorado's outstanding defense.
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The Dayton Flyers get their first BCS-conference scalp of the season:


Dayton 87, Boston College 71 (Charleston Classic - ESPN Box Score)

# 16 Baylor 84, Boston College 74 (Charleston Classic - ESPN Box Score)


. . . and gave the Eagles a worse hiding than Baylor did.
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Dayton 73, Auburn 63 (Charleston Classic - ESPN Box Score)

The Flyers pick up their second BCS-conference scalp in Charleston.

Colorado will play Murray State in the Championship game.

Colorado Win Charleston Classic 81-74 (AP/Yahoo! - November 19, 2012)
CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) -- Askia Booker had a career-high 23 points and Andre Roberson had 16 points and nine rebounds as Colorado won the Charleston Classic with an 81-74 victory over Murray State on Sunday night.

The Buffaloes (4-0) used an 11-1 run midway through the second half to break open a tie game and finish off their perfect trip South. Booker closed that run a 3-pointer and Colorado was ahead for good, 63-53 with 5:05 to go.

Murray State (3-1) was the last undefeated team in 2011-12, starting 23-0 on the way to a 31-2 record. The Racers got within five points several times down the stretch, including 79-74 on Isaiah Canaan's basket with 4 seconds left.
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The Charleston Classic was a great experience for the many new Flyers and will provide a big boost to Dayton's S.O.S.


Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster

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    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Matt Kavanaugh    Senior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Centerville, OH
 2. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 3. Jalen Robinson    Freshman  PF/C   6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 4. Devon Scott       Freshman  PF/C   6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 5. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF    6'-9"   228 lbs.  Dayton, OH

 6. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 7. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph. SF/SG   6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 8. Dyshawn Pierre    Fresh.   SF/SG   6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 9. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
10. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

11. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
12. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2013 Division I transfer = 1.

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Sortable Stats (Yahoo!)

After 4 games, 6 Flyers are averaging 9 PPG or better, and two of them are freshmen.

The Flyers three guards (Kevin Dillard, Vee Sanford, and Khari Price) are all shooting better than 90 % from the FT line.


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congrats on the fifth place. woohoo.

Guess I'll never get the BCS thing. Who cares? Is the team you beat a perennial power in college basketball? A Top 25 team? If you beat some absolutely miserable bcs team is that some kind of extra benefit? If you beat Gonzaga, does anybody say, oh, good win but sorry a non-bcs? Who cares?

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Dayton Coach Archie Miller Announces 2012 Fall Recruiting Class (Dayton Flyers - November 19, 2012)





University of Dayton men’s basketball coach Archie Miller has announced the signing of three top high school players to letters of intent. They are 6-foot-2 guard Kyle Davis, 6-foot-5 wing Kendall Pollard and 6-foot-2 Dayshon “Scoochie” Smith. Davis and Kendall are two of the top high school players out of Chicago this year, while Smith is one of the top point guards out of New York City in the class of 2013.

ARCHIE “We are very excited to add these three young men to the University of Dayton men's basketball program,” Miller said. “They will all thrive in what we think is one of the best "quality of life" environments that any major university can provide a student-athlete. They are a great fit for us, and we are a great fit for them. They really embody what we are striving for in our program. They will mix in nicely with our returning players, especially those we brought in last year.”


KYLE DAVIS

6-Foot-2 Guard, Chicago Morgan Park High School

Kyle Davis became the first recruit in the class of 2013 UD head coach Archie Miller when Davis committed in August. The 6-foot-2 left-handed combo guard averaged 25 points and seven assists for Hyde Park Academy last season. He was Chicago Sun-Times Third Team All-Chicago Public League as a junior. Davis will play for Morgan Park High School as a senior.

He selected Dayton after receiving offers from teams in the Big Ten, Big East, ACC and SEC. Both Rivals and Scout.com rate him a “four-star” recruit, and Rivals considers him the 105-th best player in the nation in the class of 2013.

Dayton Coach Archie Miller on Kyle Davis
"Kyle is extremely competitive. He is a very smart basketball player and has the skill set to play our style of basketball. He is the kind of player who makes those around him better. But what sets him apart is the kind of competitor he is. I don’t know if I’ve been around a young guy who wants to win any more than Kyle.”


KENDALL POLLARD

6-Foot-5 Forward, Chicago Simeon Career Academy

A member of the 2011 and 2012 Illinois 4A state champions at Simeon Career Academy and a teammate of Jabari Parker, the nation’s top-ranked player, Kendall Pollard is a three-star recruit who ESPN.com rates as the 35th-best small forward in the country.

Pollard has a nearly 7-foot wingspan, and one recruiting service called him “a workhorse who is highly active around the basket. He has good instincts on the glass and a nice shooting touch in the paint area, which explains why he shoots at a high percentage. In addition, he gets out on the break well and is a hard-nosed defender who doesn’t take plays off.”

Pollard averaged 9.0 points and 6.3 rebounds a game for Simeon last year.

Dayton Coach Archie Miller on Kendall Pollard
"I love Kendall’s basketball IQ. He can play multiple positions, is tough and a winner. In fact he may come to us next year as one of the winningest basketball players ever in the state of Illinois. He brings us the ability to make an impact at both ends of the floor, and can be a productive player inside and outside. His versatility will make him a difficult matchup.”


DAYSHON “SCOOCHIE” SMITH

6-Foot-2 Guard, Putnam Science Academy

The second member of Archie Miller’s 2013 recruiting class to be ranked in the top 125 nationally is 6-foot-2 point guard Dayshon “Scoochie” Smith. A native of the Bronx, Smith is ranked the 121st prospect in the nation by Rivals. He transferred to Putnam Science Academy in Putnam, Ct. after his high school in New York City closed.

Smith averaged 17.2 points and 6.1 assists last season for PSA, while shooting better than 40% from three-point range. The signings of Davis and Smith give the Flyers their first two Top 125 recruits in the same class in school history.

Coach Archie Miller on Scoochie Smith
"Dayshon is the one point guard we evaluated extensively during the recruiting process whose approach and decision-making fits perfectly with the way we want to play. He is a pass-first point guard who is a threat to score in any situation. All this, along with his combination of length and quickness will give him a chance to be one of the better point guards in our league early in his career.”

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Dayton Flyers 2013-14 Roster

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    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Alex Gavrilovic   Junior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Strasbourg, France
 2. Devon Scott       Sophomore  PF/C  6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 3. Jalen Robinson    Sophomore  PF/C  6'-9"   235 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 4. Devin Oliver      Senior     PF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 5. Matt Derenbecker  RS Junior  SF    6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 6. Dyshawn Pierre    Sophomore  SF    6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 
 7. Kendall Pollard   Freshman   SF    6'-6"   185 lbs.  Chicago  

 8. Jordan Sibert     RS Junior  SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH 
 9. Vee Sanford       RS Senior  SG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

10. Dayshon Smith     Freshman   CG    6'-2"   170 lbs.  New York City  
11. Kyle Davis        Freshman   CG    6'-1"   165 lbs.  Chicago  

12. Khari Price       Sophomore  PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for a Spring 2014 signee = 1.
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I was impressed with Sibert at the practice game this year. He is the approximate size and shape of Vee Sanford, with what I thought was equal skill of slashing to the hoop and making contested shots on the move. I'm not sure what kind of outside shot he is or is not, having not seen him attempt those. He also had good length and very good athleticism, and I liked his defensive ability. I'm convinced that he is a very nice addition to the team next year.

We are going to be super-stocked on guards and small forwards next year. I think that a big is a need just based on depth at PF and C. We only have three guys to cover those two positions (unless we go small), although I think they are all good players. I think you have to have another big for depth protection. If one of the three is sick or injured, the other two will be pressed into service heavily. I will be shocked if Archie doesn't have another big lined up for next year.

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Checking up on the Predictions:

I had Dayton beating Colorado and going 2-1 in the Charleston Classic.

WH had Dayton losing to Colorado and going 1-2 in the Charleston Classic.

WH has also predicted a Flyer's loss to 0-2 Manhattan at UD Arena on Saturday.

On November 16th, Manhattan was blown out by Harvard 79-45 in Cambridge, Mass.

Tomorrow night (Wednesday, November 21st), Manhattan hosts 3-2 Hofstra.

For the Flyer's final 9 non-conference games, WH and I have identical predictions.


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Muddy’s Predictions – Rev. 0 – September 6, 2012

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Nov. 10, 2012   Saturday    Arkansas State                  UD Arena - HOME WIN  
        
Nov. 15, 2012   Thursday    Colorado (Charleston Classic)   TD Arena - NEUTRAL WIN           
Nov. 16, 2012   Friday      Baylor (Charleston Classic)     TD Arena - NEUTRAL LOSS           
Nov. 18, 2012   Sunday      Auburn/Charleston/
                            Murray State/St. John’s (C.C.)  TD Arena - NEUTRAL WIN           

Nov. 24, 2012   Saturday    Manhattan                       UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Nov. 28, 2012   Wednesday   Weber State                     UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 01, 2012   Saturday    Northern Illinois               UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 05, 2012   Wednesday   @ Alabama                       Coleman Coliseum - ROAD LOSS                    
Dec. 08, 2012   Saturday    Miami (OH)                      UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 15, 2012   Saturday    Florida Atlantic                UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 19, 2012   Wednesday   Illinois State                  UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 22, 2012   Saturday    Murray State                    UD Arena -  HOME WIN           
Dec. 30, 2012   Sunday      @ Southern California           Galen Center - ROAD LOSS                             
Jan. 05, 2013   Saturday    UAB                             UD Arena -  HOME WIN
Non-conference Record: 11-3

Non-conference Losses (3): Baylor (Neutral), @ Alabama, @ Southern California.
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DAYTON - NONCON FORECAST - Post # 1

W - NOV. 10 ARKANSAS STATE
L - Nov. 15 vs. Colorado (Charleston Classic)
L - Nov. 16 vs. Baylor/Boston College (Charleston Classic)

W - Nov. 18 at Charleston Classic
L - NOV. 24 MANHATTAN
W - NOV. 28 WEBER STATE
W - DEC. 1 NORTHERN ILLINOIS
L - Dec. 5 at Alabama
W - DEC. 8 MIAMI (OHIO)
W - DEC. 15 FLORIDA ATLANTIC
W - DEC. 19 ILLINOIS STATE
W - DEC. 22 MURRAY STATE
L - Dec. 30 at Southern Cal
W - JAN. 5 UAB

NONCON FORECAST: 9-5

Dayton has a tough schedule and things could be very bumpy early on, but there's a lot of home cooking to finish strong.

Arkansas State returns four starters including star guard Trey Finn and the team is expected to contend for the Sunbelt title. Arkansas State, coached by former LSU headman John Brady, upset Bonaventure in Olean last year, so this is a dangerous game.

Colorado won the Pac 10 last year and they have a good nucleus back from a 24-win team. Forward Andre Roberson is one of the league's best players.

I see Dayton losing to the Buffs and then getting nipped by a much improved BC squad in the second game. BC's frontcourt can hang with the Flyers but the PG slot is unsettled. Dilliard has to have a big game for the Flyers to pull the game out.

Final game of the Charleston classic could involve a game with either Charleston, St Johns, Auburn or Murray State. All have question marks but are beatable. I call it a win.

Back home Dayton gets another rude shock from a Manhattan team that won 21 games and returns all five starters, including standout guard George Beamon. Speedy Jaspers stun the home crowd.

Flyers get back on track with home wins over rebuilding Northern Illinois (5-26) and a good Weber State team that has to replace three starters, including its point guard and NBA lottery pick Damian Lilliard.

A trip to Alabama results in a loss. Tide is younger than last year's 21-win team - no more JaMychal Green or Tony Mitchell - and ripe for an upset, but I see Alabama avenging last year's loss in Dayton.

Back home again, the Flyers rip off wins vs Miami Ohio, Florida Atlantic, Illinois State and Murray State. Miami replaces longtime coach Charlie Coles and his methodical approach that often bothered Dayton. Florida Atlantic, coached by former GW boss Mike Jarvis, lost four key players to tranfer and is rebuilding.

Illinois State might have one of its best teams in years and should contend for the MVC title. Big forward Jackie Carmichael is a star and the team is full of good shooters. Flyers need this game and squeak out a home victory.

Murray State, meanwhile, lost three starters from its 30-win team and won't be quite as good. Another tough game that Dayton pulls out.

USC only won 6 games last season, but the team gets back a lot of healthy veterans who returned from injury, including former Fordham starting PG Jio Fontan. West Coast trips are always tough.

Dayton ends its noncon slate with a win over UAB, which replaced coach Mike Davis and has a thin roster.

Muddy's Observations:
(1) George Beamon is by far the Jaspers' best player.

(2) The Jaspers are a rubbish team without George Beamon.

(3) George Beamon missed the Jaspers' first two games due to an ankle injury.

(4) It is not yet known if George Beamon will play against Hofstra tomorrow night or against Dayton on Saturday.

George Beamon - Career Stats and Game Log (Yahoo!)


Manhattan Star George Beamon Out For Louisville Game (SB Nation - November 11, 2012)
Manhattan star George Beamon, who averaged just under 20.0 ppg a season ago, will not play in today's game against Louisville because of an injury.

If Steve Masiello and the Manhattan Jaspers come into the KFC Yum Center and stun the second-ranked Louisville Cardinals on Sunday, they'll do so without the services of their best player.

Senior swigman George Beamon (19.0 ppg, 5.6 rpg) will not play in today's season-opener because of an ankle injury.

Beamon has led the Jaspers in scoring in each of the past two seasons, and led the entire Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference in 2011-12. He was also second on the team in rebounding a year ago.

Suffice it to say, this is a major blow for Manhattan.

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Scoochie is going to be amazing.
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He’s back:




Manhattan Jaspers’ senior guard George Beamon (6’-4”, 175 lbs.) scored 29 points and grabbed 7 rebounds last night.



George Beamon Scores 29 as Manhattan Beats Hofstra 67-56 (AP/Yahoo! - November 21, 2012)
RIVERDALE, N.Y. (AP) -- George Beamon scored 29 points on 10-of-15 shooting from the field to lead Manhattan to a 67-56 victory against Hofstra on Wednesday.

Beamon missed the first two games for the Jaspers (1-2) with an ankle injury.

Manhattan 67, Hofstra 56 (Yahoo! Box Score - November 21, 2012)

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Flyers beat Manhattan 62-56, but struggled at the FT line (17 for 30) and were pressed and zoned almost the whole game. Hit 8 of the last 10 FTs to save the game and Manhattan FINALLY started to miss some. Didn't give up when Manhattan took a 1 pt lead late in the game. Dayton stepped it up and finally hit clutch shots. My nerves are shot, but I'll take an ugly win any day.
Dyshawn Pierre came in and energized the team. Oliver had 10 pts and 12 RBs.
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Dayton 66, Manhattan 58 (ESPN Box Score)


With 5:55 left in the game, the Jaspers took a 51-48 lead over Dayton.

But the Flyers then went on an 18-7 run for the homecourt win.


Dayton PG Kevin Dillard: 20 points (6-8 FGs and 2-3 3-Pts., 4-6 FTs)

Dayton SG Vee Sanford: 19 points (7-11 FGs, 2-3 3-Pts., 3-4 FTs)

Dayton Forward Devin Oliver with 10 points and 12 rebounds.

BACKCOURT LEADS DAYTON TO 66-58 WIN OVER MANHATTAN (Dayton Flyers - November 24, 2012)


Dayton Pulls Away from Manhattan in Final Minutes (David Jablonski, DDN - November 24, 2012)


Dillard Scores 20 as Dayton Beats Manhattan 66-58 (AP/Yahoo! - November 24, 2012)

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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

Give it up, Paul. He'll just never get the irony.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:37 PM   #464 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

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BC is not a good team at all,

Auburn is a lot like BC...terrible
You got that right. Bryant just beat BC.
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