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Old 12-13-2012, 06:15 PM   #571 (permalink)
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Cheesesteaks, hookers and "bus lag" were also cited. "Palpable pressure" was a big factor as well.
You are a sad case, man. Hookers were an excuse, but the only time one of our players got one, we won the NIT championship game...at what point was this used as an excuse?

We haven't taken buses anywhere except probably Xavier, OSU or someplace close for like 10 years, what is that a reference to?

Our players actually got food poisoning from eating cheesesteaks, except the one player who traded his cheesesteak for one of his teammates' cookies (Paul Williams). Have you ever had food poisoning? Don't you think even your shitty job would be difficult if you had food poisoning?

You continue to mock me about "palpable pressure." Did you see us go on the road and smack Alabama? Played far looser, better and more aggressive than we had in the previous three home games? Archie Miller has since said that he felt like guys played nervous at home and better away from the arena. Do you think it is possible I had a point here? Not to mention, it was never presented as an "excuse," but as a criticism. But, whatever you need to do to make everything fit your reality.

Worst of all, you probably won't even attempt to respond to what I'm writing here. But you will continue to mockingly post about "palpable pressure."
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Old 12-13-2012, 07:16 PM   #572 (permalink)
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I can actually understand what Cobra is saying, and can relate it to something Xavier fans would understand. Every year, Xavier players talk about the pressure of playing Dayton at home...no team wants to be the team that ends the streak. They are playing on their home floor, in front of a good home crowd but feel immensely more pressure then Dayton does.
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Old 12-15-2012, 02:05 AM   #573 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

Nice Q&A with Devin Oliver over on the DDN:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...-oliver/nTWK6/

Nothing earth shattering in there but nice nonetheless. Definitely one of my favorite Flyers.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:20 PM   #574 (permalink)
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Nice Q&A with Devin Oliver over on the DDN:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...-oliver/nTWK6/

Nothing earth shattering in there but nice nonetheless. Definitely one of my favorite Flyers.
Its nice to see players improving under Miller. Oliver is a perfect example.

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Old 12-16-2012, 04:33 PM   #575 (permalink)
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Its nice to see players improving under Miller. Oliver is a perfect example.

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I was at the Florida Atlantic game yesterday. It was very boring. Flyers did what they were supposed to do. Derenbecker got a feel good game under his belt, so that should help his confidence. Overall, it was a somewhat sloppy win against a bad team. I'm NOT criticizing at all. It was exactly what the Flyers needed to do against a bad team. Dillard had a great first half. It's the first time I've seen Khari Price and came away impressed. He will never be considered a top point guard in the league, but he plays hard and smart and he's not there to control the offense...just to facilitate it. I was most impressed by Oliver though. He really has turned into a smooth player. He doesn't force things and plays within the flow of the offense. He scores, rebounds and passes--all very well. I'm not sure which Flyer fan has the Oliver man crush going (Flyer75? Adam the Flyer?--too lazy to go back and check all the old posts to find out for sure)--but whomever it is...I get it. I really like the kid, too.
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Wednesday, Nov. 28th: Weber State 62, Dayton 61 (at UD Arena)

Wednesday, Dec. 19th: Illinois State 74, Dayton 73 (at UD Arena)

Twice in 3 weeks. Ouch.

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Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - November 28, 2012

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  8 - Butler 
 22 - Saint Louis 
 26 - Dayton
 45 - Virginia Commonwealth 
 47 - Temple 
 51 - Charlotte 
 64 - St. Bonaventure
 66 - St. Joseph's 
 72 - Xavier
 87 - Massachusetts   
139 - La Salle 
149 - Richmond 
159 - Rhode Island 
199 - Duquesne 
294 - Geo. Washington 
320 - Fordham

347 - Weber State
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Atlantic 10 RPI Rankings - November 29, 2012

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  7 – Butler 
 54 - Virginia Commonwealth
 57 - Saint Louis 
 59 - Xavier
 62 - St. Joseph's
 64 - St. Bonaventure
 73 - Massachusetts
 75 - Charlotte 
 89 - Temple
107 - Richmond
119 - Dayton  
152 - La Salle
195 - Rhode Island 
204 - Duquesne 
254 - Geo. Washington 
314 - Fordham

149 - Weber State
Dayton dropped 93 places and Weber State moved up 198 places.
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Selected RPI Rankings - December 19, 2012:

2 - Colorado

56 - Illinois State

70 - Dayton

102 - Weber State
Selected RPI Rankings - December 20, 2012:

2 - Colorado

15 - Murray State

39 - Illinois State

96 - Dayton

99 - Weber State
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Hopefully, Kevin Dillard's back injury is not serious, and he will be available for the Murray State game at UD Arena on Saturday.

The Flyers need to learn to execute their offense against zone defenses, and fast.

The 8-3 Flyers have not been very lucky in their 'buy' games this season. The Flyers could have and should have won their home games against Weber State and Illinois State. Didn't happen.

Those home-court losses (with their 1.4 weighting factor) really hit the ol' RPI Ranking where it hurts.

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Old 12-20-2012, 05:29 AM   #577 (permalink)
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Is Illinois St. a buy game? I would think we owe them a trip next year, right? They are a good MVC team. But I agree Muddy, this one was painful.
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Re: 2012-2013 Dayton Flyers

Illinois State was a home-and-home as far as I know; weren't they in the MVC championship game last year?

It's not a bad game to schedule from an RPI standpoint, but hurts to lose.
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I believe you're right about Dayton owing Illinois State a return game next year.

Without a marquee non-conference win this season (and no future opportunities to get one), the Flyers really needed to win their home games against the Illinois State and Weber State to stay in the running for an NCAA Tournament 'at large' invitation:


Dayton Flyers Schedule and Results (Yahoo)

For the Flyers, two missed shots is the difference between a 10-1 record with an RPI Ranking in the high 20's, and their present 8-3 record with an RPI Ranking in the mid-90's.


Illinois State 74, Dayton 73 (Official Box Score)
Fast-break points: Illinois State 19, Dayton 10.

Weber State 62, Dayton 61 (Official Box Score)
Fast-break points: Weber State 11, Dayton 4.
In both of these upset losses, the Flyers gave up too many easy transition baskets, and that's why they are not 10-1 this morning.


Whatís the matter with the Flyers? (Doug Harris, DDN - December 19, 2012 - 10:20 PM)
The Flyers are 8-3 with two losses by one point each at home, first to Weber State and now the Redbirds. Special seasons donít happen unless someone steps up to make big-time plays in crunch time. And at least right now, the Flyers donít have that guy.

The most disturbing aspect of the game was seeing Kevin Dillard limp off while clutching his lower back with just over four minutes to go. He walked up the tunnel with trainer Nate Seymour and never returned.

Itís too early to say whether heíll be back for the Murray State game Saturday. But while the Flyers wouldnít want to go into any game without their senior leader, Dillard has been as inconsistent this season as his team.
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Dayton is always one of those programs that are young, looking to the future, one some bubble, just about to break out, ETC ETC.

The facts are the administration @ UD has NO clue how to run a div one basketball program.

These are the same morons that can't figure out an INTRO song.

Months turn into years and every season is a repeat.
Maybe next year.

The basketball program itself has never been a priority.
The priority is money--period.


I read where someone questioned the monies Marquette spent on their program.
The UD fan replied---where else could Dayton spend and invest in their program?

How about we start with PAYING a coach that has acutally had some head coaching experience.
Someone who isn't someones brother, son in law ETC.


Pay what is necessary to attract a great coach.
Believe me--money talks---you can get a worthy coach. But you have to pay him.

But the administration @ Dayton considers this a training ground for future ACC coaches. They treat this program like the minor leagues. And first year coaches without any experience are cheap. And isn't that whats important?

Tell me,do you think coach Majerus came to St Louis out of the kindness of his heart?---Did he coach their in hopes Georgia tech called with a job offer?

This is a program (Dayton) that was FORCED by the NCAA to invest money in video screens for their arena---forced to invest into their own program

Yet UD fans are confused that Butler, Gonzaga, X St Mary's VCU, and many more have past them by.

This is not by accident.

Soon the new conferenc will be named and there isn't a chance in hell that Dayton will be invited.

When that time comes the Administration @ Dayton will proclaim they have no answers as the why Dayton was left out.

They have no answers indeed.

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Illinois State was a home-and-home as far as I know; weren't they in the MVC championship game last year?

It's not a bad game to schedule from an RPI standpoint, but hurts to lose.
Being there live and having the final shot be a Devin Oliver long jumper with a man right in his face made it hurt more than usual. And it definitely puts the pressure on for the Murray State game.
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Illinois State is a really good team. All credit goes to them for winning the game. Jackie Carmichael may be the best interior player Dayton will see all year.

The length and quickness of their guards really frustrated UD in their zone. They deflected numerous interior passes and closed out on shooters in an instant. Every one of their 4 on the outside of the zone can cover the space in their areas without needing the entire zone to shift. A well run zone is tough to beat. Few teams can pull it off, but ISU did last night.

Not having Dillard on the floor was the key to the final possession. Archie tried to let Sanford work, which was the absolute correct call, but the zone collapsed on him, stuck to Pierre, and he had no choice but to pass to Price. They ended up with two decent looks. Neither fell. That's basketball. An inch of difference on either shot and we're probably having another discussion today. It was a good game played by two quality teams. Should have another one on Saturday.

Tough loss. A missed opportunity. A win over Illinois State would have really helped the resume.

On UD's end, pretty encouraging performance by Gavrilovic, and Derenbecker had a second solid game in a row. Building a bench of more than just Robinson and Price will be key for A10 play.
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Illinois State is a really good team. All credit goes to them for winning the game. Jackie Carmichael may be the best interior player Dayton will see all year.

The length and quickness of their guards really frustrated UD in their zone. They deflected numerous interior passes and closed out on shooters in an instant, and it seemed like they were bringing giants off the bench in droves.

Not having Dillard on the floor was the key to the final possession. Archie tried to let Sanford work, which was the absolute correct call, but the zone collapsed on him, stuck to Pierre, and he had no choice but to pass to Price. They ended up with two decent looks. Neither fell. That's basketball. An inch of difference on either shot and we're probably having another discussion today. It was a good game played by two quality teams. Should have another one on Saturday.

Tough loss. A missed opportunity. A win over Illinois State would have really helped the resume.

On UD's end, pretty encouraging performance by Gavrilovic, and Derenbecker had a second solid game in a row. Building a bench of more than just Robinson and Price will be key for A10 play.
Carmichael was extremely impressive. He was strong, athletic, and able to dribble and shoot from midrange. Their other big, who was taller, seemed kind of terrible and fouled out in very little playing time.
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He's gone for 55 points and 20+ boards in his last two games. Has range and very very strong senior player.

But UD still should have won this game. Way too many turnovers, especially from Dillard. Missed FTs and I think Archie screwed up the last play simply by not having Derrenbecker in. Hell, it's the final play...you should have nothing but shooters and scorers in and one rebounder. Would have much rather had Matty Light shooting that last shot then Oliver.
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Out of state and game wasn't on tv so I direct my question to those who saw it. I understand Dillard was out with a back issue, but down one in an end game situation why would you have Oliver taking a long jumper? I think you would want him near the boards. No-one capable of driving in the lane and probably drawing a foul?

Not saying Oliver taking the shot was the reason for the loss because there are numerous other things in the first 39:30 that had they been done better probably would've avoid what occurred. Nevertheless, given the situation, I find it surprising that an outside shot from Oliver was the best they could deliver.
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