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Old 04-09-2012, 11:04 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Stop. UD and Wright State are not similar in any way. Wright State made the tourney because they won a league with one team as competition. 85% of their games are against horrible teams, and many years they struggle to win half of them. Same with Cleveland State. As good as Butler has been, occasionally they will get beat, because that's basketball. That's the only way other Horizon teams can sniff the dance.
Uh... so are 85% of your OOC games.....
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Uh... so are 85% of your OOC games.....
Are you so allergic to facts that you get violently ill and break out in hives when you see them? Stay in the kiddie pool with Muddy.
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Old 04-09-2012, 12:12 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Davidson isn't a more successful program than UD because they went to an Elite 8.
False. Davidson IS a more successful program compared to UD. In the past eight years, they have gone to four NCAA Tournaments and advanced to an Elite Eight. In the past eight years, Dayton has gone to one NCAA Tournament where they won one game and then received an ass kicking of epic proportions in the second round.

Davidson is a more successful program than UD, and so are Murray State, Ohio University and St. Mary's (CA).

I will admit that Wright State was a stretch and a bad comparison. So there you go UD fans, your program is more successful than Wright State but fails to measure up to programs such as Murray State, Ohio University, St. Mary's (CA) and Davidson. Maybe it's time to set your sights on those programs first, and once you reach their level of postseason success you can start to think about aiming for big brother and overlord Xavier.
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While I don't think UD's OOC scheduling is horrible, they do need to strengthen their schedule significantly if UD wants to start playing in the NCAA tournament (particuarly given their history of collapse during conference play). A 95 OOC SOS (which UD had this year) coming out of the A-10 likely isn't going to earn you a bid. I think Archie recognizes this and I think he'll be willing to schedule the big games. Any news on UD's OOC sched for 2012-13?
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Old 04-09-2012, 07:26 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Looks like the '12-'13 Flyers have taken a serious hit with the loss of Jevon Thomas. If Devon Scott turns out to be a partial qualifier, this solid recruiting class will be down to 1 player. Its like deja vu all over again.

As it stands, there are 2 guards on this team - Dillard and Sanford. I suppose Archie will try to sign 2 guards before next season?
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I would be scouring the "can play ASAP" Guards on the transfer list as well. Or Kevin and Vee can just play 40 mins ea. and never get hurt.
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From most accounts, Derenbecker has the skill set to play the 2 if needed. So does Oliver. I dont think Archie needs to add two guards. I'm sure he'd like to, but he doesn't need to be taking warm bodies for the sake of warm bodies, though. Getting one that can play the point a bit is a must, though. Dillard is fantastic, but you'd like to keep him at 28 minutes a night until February. Brian Vonderhaar was a hell of a shooter at Moeller, but Stilman White he is not. And I'm pretty sure Dennis Williams was practicing with the women's team 365 days ago. Unless Sanford can run point for 10 minutes a game and you can get a strong SG capable of playing 17 minutes immediately, like a Ryan Taylor or Thaddeus Hall, some PG skills are a must right now.

Devon Scott being a partial qualifier wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. They have plenty of depth up front, not sure both freshman bigs will get many minutes to begin with. Two deep at center with the ivory towers, two deep at PF with Benson and Robinson, with Oliver capable of filling in and until we hear differently Ralph Hill is a warm body option. Robinson is the more college ready of the two, so what essentially amounts to a redshirt year for Scott would be ok. It's not something to fear if it does happen.
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UD should be fine next, for the sole reason that they have Kevin Dillard. They have a solid starting 5, foul trouble could get them into some sturggles next year, much like X of 10-11 who had a slim bench but a solid starting 5. The following year could be a reason for concern with no PG to take over the reigns as of now. With all the transfer, decommits, ect and I believe Archie has some scholarships in his pocket they should be able to find someone to fill that void. I dont think Thomas ever shows up at UD, just a hunch.
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Are you so allergic to facts that you get violently ill and break out in hives when you see them? Stay in the kiddie pool with Muddy.
Are you allergic to the fact that Dayton is just not as good as most of you perceive them to be?

You are stuggling in the A-10, and now your awesome new class is shrinking by the day (it seems). If not for preseason tournaments over the last few years, Dayton's non-conference schedule would be absolutley pathetic rather than just "plain old pathetic".

Once again, Dayton fans failing to look at one's self in the proper perspective....... You are not too good for the Horizon League, and you should be able to replicate an Xavier-Like A-10 existence if you were a member of that league. But then again, maybe not... Muddy, please fill in the blank with the excuses as to why Dayton would fail at this as well...

I can't wait to hear how "awesome" your schedule is for 12-13 ...
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Are you allergic to the fact that Dayton is just not as good as most of you perceive them to be?

You are stuggling in the A-10, and now your awesome new class is shrinking by the day (it seems). If not for preseason tournaments over the last few years, Dayton's non-conference schedule would be absolutley pathetic rather than just "plain old pathetic".

Once again, Dayton fans failing to look at one's self in the proper perspective....... You are not too good for the Horizon League, and you should be able to replicate an Xavier-Like A-10 existence if you were a member of that league. But then again, maybe not... Muddy, please fill in the blank with the excuses as to why Dayton would fail at this as well...

I can't wait to hear how "awesome" your schedule is for 12-13 ...
Dayton is easily the best team in the a 10 next year. Our talent is heads and shoulders above the rest, we have the best coach, and we will sweep eggs and slu.

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I ask the following because i don't know the answer. Does the A-10 allow partial qualifiers? If so, isn't it correct that the individual has to pay their own way,cannot practice with the team and loses a year's eligibility?
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As a UD fan I too would like to see them upgrade their OOC schedule. Its not always easy to get teams to agree to a home & home. For a Georgetown or Purdue type team the potential for a loss at UD does them more harm then a loss at Xavier would do come tourney time. To bring in more of those type teams UD might have give the other school two home games in return for one at UD. Also, I'm not sure from strictly a financial standpoint how many home games UD needs.
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I ask the following because i don't know the answer. Does the A-10 allow partial qualifiers? If so, isn't it correct that the individual has to pay their own way,cannot practice with the team and loses a year's eligibility?
My understanding, which could totally be wrong:

1) Yes, partial qualifiers are allowed.
2) No, they don't have to pay their own way.
3) They are allowed to practice with the team during what would be their "freshman" year, when they cannot play.
4) They can regain their year of eligibility if they do their school work and graduate on time.

Lyons is an example of this, I think. He was a partial qualifier and didn't play his freshman year. He was the same class as Tu, though, and can now come back next year for that year of eligibility he regained.

I'm sure someone will correct me if this is wrong.
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As a UD fan I too would like to see them upgrade their OOC schedule. Its not always easy to get teams to agree to a home & home. For a Georgetown or Purdue type team the potential for a loss at UD does them more harm then a loss at Xavier would do come tourney time. To bring in more of those type teams UD might have give the other school two home games in return for one at UD. Also, I'm not sure from strictly a financial standpoint how many home games UD needs.
The level of UD's program right now, they probably won't be able to schedule home-home's with the likes of Vanderbilt, Florida, Memphis, Purdue, Gonzaga, Kansas St etc etc. But like you said, schedule two homes and 1 away, or even just go play a lot of your OOC games on the road like Long Beach St. Mid-majors have to be willing to schedule a lot of OOC road games.. Best way to build their resume for an at-large bid.
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... and just so I am not accused of being a hypocrite...

Umass' schedule for 2012-2013 sucks. Like Dayton, I think Umass has a chance to be at or near the top of the conference next year, but unless they just blow out their crappy non-con schedule, that schedule may keep them out of the NCAA's next year. They are gonna have to win 10 or 11 of those games, and get to 12-4 in the conference. Without the A-10 Championship though, that may not be enough - the schedule is just that bad..... Again - like Dayton - we need a decent preseason tourney to beef up the schedule...

See the difference Adam, Muddy etc.... ? The acknowledgement of a poor schedule, and a realistic view of what may happen because of it? Umass may have to make chicken soup out of chicken schidt to make the big tourney. All of Umasshoops.com knows it too...
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