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Dayton's problem is losing to dregs in the conference (especially at home) like URI and Duquesne at home. They've been one of the better teams in the A-10 when it comes to noncon play.

You are correct. Lionel Chalmers was another player who was a partial qualifier at X. James Posey was a non-qualifier who at the time had to pay his own way for his first year at Xavier. He only had 3 years of basketball eligibility at that time.

MudFlap

[QUOTE=AdamtheFlyer;6809040]From most accounts, Derenbecker has the skill set to play the 2 if needed. So does Oliver. I dont think Archie needs to add two guards.

Sorry. Can't imagine these two trying to guard the A-10 "pocket rockets". Mismatch for sure.

Bill Russell

Yeah, I don't see how this backcourt situation at UD works out too well. Dillard is fine (though not the return of Jameer Nelson as the tone sometimes indicates), but the others have big question marks.

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AdamtheFlyer

Well hot dog, we got an Einstein over here. He's figured out that if you take away anything that disproves your point, you're always right. Just toss aside some of the tough games, those don't count anyway.

Even if I take your theory as fact, it doesn't hold true in the results. Statistically speaking UD has had the 3rd best OOC schedule in the A10 over the last 5-6 years. If your theory holds true, they should have roughly the 3rd best A10 record and NCAA success over that same span. After all, it's the OOC games that truly build and prepare teams, is it not?

Dayton's OOC slate in 2008/2009 was pretty weak. Marquette, George Mason and Creighton were really the only teams worth much. That team finished 11-5 in A10 play and made the second round of the NCAA.

The following year they played Creighton, Georgia Tech (ranked #19), Villanova (ranked #6), Kansas State (Elite 8 team), at George Mason, Old Dominion and at New Mexico (who got a 3 seed). They went 7-9 in the A10 and ended up playing in and winning the NIT. Better schedule, what should have been a better team than the previous year, unquestionably worse season.

Dayton's OOC scheduling is fine. It could be better, but it could be a whole hell of a lot worse. It could be similar to 8-10 other A10 teams, after all. It's proven to help them more than hurt, seeing as how they struggle to win more than 8 games in A10 play yet always seem to be near the bubble come February.

As has been said numerous times by me and other reasonably intelligent people, Dayton's issues are winning the games they should win in A10 play. Games that in your simplistic mind they should be winning, because the OOC slate better prepared them.

Your kiddie pool analysis does not hold up to facts and logic. You are merely grasping at straws to swing back at Muddy, who you perceive to be the voice of every UD fan. And like a petulant child you can't see logic, nor think of any other way to respond.

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Adam, as Flyer and I have argued about, although your OOC for 2009-10 looks good, the missing element to me is strong road games. Nuetral sites and home OOC games I don't think count as much at selection time as OOC road games.

Your true road games that year were Miami (RPI 137 win), George Mason (RPI 163 win) and New Mexico (RPI 15 loss). So that left the team with no strong OOC road win for the year. I think that makes a difference.

You might have to schedule some single road games without a home/home guarantee for a bit to improve that...then be in a position to negotiate home/homes.

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Knobby

I'm not tossing anything aside. If it were not for those tournaments, some of your best (ranked or "name") opponents wouldn't make the schedule.

Quite frankly, some of that is flattering... who the hell wants to go to Dayton with percentages against you and lose. But some of it is the inability for someone (AD/Coach??) to pull the trigger on a true away game. Bottom line is you gotta get a quality win or two in somebody else's building sometimes.

I am picking on Dayton because it is fun, but it is more of a league problem too. Unless you are X or Temple (and maybe St. Louis now to a lesser degree) it is tough to get a team with a number next to them to come out and play in your back yard. You have to suck it up and play a couple in their barn if you want to get the game.

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Flyer75

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...medium=twitter

Decent commentary on Dayton's thin backcourt next year.

Flyer75

Per Benson's tweet today, he was cleared by doc to start running. Six months to get in shape. He should be ready.

Flyer75

Picking this thread up again, UD has added 2 more players to next year's team:

PG - Khari Price (freshman, 4 years of eligibility)
SG - Jordan Sibert (junior, sitting out a year, 2 years of eligibility)

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...medium=twitter

Knobby

Have you picked up any decent games yet?

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Flyer75

Not sure, but at least we can count on Umass being the most boring game of the year for us.

76-43.

AdamtheFlyer

And 78-50 in last year's A10 tourney. Maybe this year, the runaway A10 favorite UMass team can stay within 20.

I must admit, though, I am pretty jealous of UMass fans. They get to look at their record books and see a Final Four appearance with no asterisk, and they get to see a banner that hangs with the blessing of the NCAA. They get to know that, when something outside program control happened, they were an open book and accepted all NCAA oversight and sanctions, using the bump in the road as a painful learning experience. Wait. I get to do that. Not them. Their program is still whining like petulant children over the NCAA ruling. Sorry.

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themusk88

face it flyer fans, your team will always be middle of the road.

Knobby

Sorry - not complaining - it happened - it sucked - most of us have moved on. Umass has been weak to poor (other than two of the Ford years and last year). We have watched a lot of futility and inconsistent play in the last 13 years. Frankly, I would have aspired to be Dayton for most of that time. This year we achieved more than the mighty Flyers (despite receiving a head to head whuppin).

Now we move on and I feel like we will move past you and hang with Xavier, Butler and St Joe's near the top of the conference, I am sure there could be a bump or two in the road and Dayton may even have a cup of coffee in the top 4 once in a while, but by and large Dayton is and will live up to its annual true to form "A-10 Middler" that they always are --- but never come to terms with that fact.

Enjoy your lifetime of mediocrity.......

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MudFlap

Dayton normal year 7-9, Good year 9-7, usually the old 8-8.