Nomadic1

Nobody expects to be a sweet sixteen team or better, that has to do with seeding and luck, as much as skill.
I only know that they have tested players and Xavier doesn't. I know they have a quality point guard and yours doesn't yet have a jump shot, that they have bigs that are experienced and can play and you have Jeff Robinson and some frosh.







Again, actually watch him play.
The experts speak to his upside, that is his athleticism.
He's raw, I think you'd have a hard time finding anyone who feels he's a great jump shooter or a polished floor general.
AAU ball isn't college ball. We'll see though.
It's totally different than X's problems. The post players are still there, Dillard is still there, I already know that Derenbecker and Sanford can play. Not really comparable. You lost your entire back court and front court. You kept a wing Wells and a backup guard in Davis, the rest is a black box.

I'm sorry, but you haven't always had such a depleted roster.
We'll see one way or the other, it's just pretentious to say Xavier will be inherently good with a bunch of new kids.
Especially with how many duds Mack has recruited in recent years. I give him credit for Wells but other than that... meh...

Nomadic1

There's a reason he went to the NBA D league and then got garbage time from golden state, he's an athlete, not a great ball player. Ask him to drive with the ball and let me know what happens.
He had all the potential in the world, he just never really developed as a player. I put it on BG.

xavierhoops

You still don't seem to understand, so I'll post again for you. Surprised Muddy hasn't been on here yet to scold you about being off-topic.

So no Xavier fans can be on a Dayton, Temple, Butler, Richmond etc thread without it being about Xavier? Yea, that makes sense.

Not predicting anything for next year. Just saying how torturous it is for UD fans to predict the downfall of X preseason after preseason after preseason then have to watch X make 4 Sweet 16's in 5 years in the postseason(something only Xavier, North Carolina, Kansas and Michigan St can say....)

Nomadic1

Again, perception. I say Xu fans are trolling in a Dayton thread, precisely because they're xavier fans. This has everything to do with Xavier, your presence here confirms as much. If it wasn't that way, there would be no interest in taking pot shots at the flyers.
Why waste your time in a thread about a team you don't like?
To troll. Why troll? Because you like Xavier.

Simple as that.




I'm aware of Xavier's past success, I also think that well has dried up a bit. We'll see, soon enough.
I haven't made such predictions, pre-season after pre-season.
I appreciate the concern though.

njlsufan

Oh great. Just what we need. Another delusional Flyers fan joining the A-10 board. Like we don't have enough of those already? Welcome aboard Nomadic1, you have plenty of company.

Nomadic1

Delusional people believe in something, with no evidence to support it. I've provided plenty to back my opinion with. A depleted roster, no post players of significance and an entirely new back court.
Explain to me sir, how are you not deluded?
What do you have to support the idea, that this specific roster will be successful?

Try actually qualifying your statements, rather than name calling in desperation. That action doesn't reflect an accomplished basketball program, it reflects a neglected child.

^_^

As I said before, I'm not a UD alum. I do like seeing your bluster though.

MudFlap

So you gleaned this info from where? The Iowa game? Good luck with those players.

njlsufan

Bluster comes in many forms. And it seems that your posts are full of them. In the end, all you are stating is your opinion of how UD and X will do, not fact. While I readily admit that I don't have facts either, I will point to recent past history being a good indicator of future success. X has accomplished a lot, UD, very little.

And for the record, I'm not a fan of X, in fact I think some of their posters are quite obnoxious, but when I see silly posts like yours, I feel compelled to reply.

Blue Blobster

But you clearly have something against X. You started this all On a Dayton thread. Which makes you a troll as well. So actually, njlsufan has perfect reason to think that you are another delusional flyer fan.

I have seen semaj live. He was the superior player on the court. I don't let small samplings on Youtube create my opinion. I saw for myself what he can do.


But since you seem to like claiming your not a UD fan (hard to believe with the hard on For X you have) what team are you a fan of? if you say no team it means your even more of a troll here to stir up trouble.

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Nomadic1

You do realize a good portion of those players are gone, don't you?
It would seem Xavier fans can't be critical with their own team.


You've got a lot of newbs, adjust your expectations accordingly. A frosh point guard, no depth on the inside, Dee Davis and Dez Wells. I think you recruited a talented power forward, but I can't just presume he'll be good. A freshman is still a freshman.

In contrast, UD has a good point in Dillard, a good 4 in Benson, an okay 5 in Kavannaugh, a talented red shirt sophomore wing in Derenbecker, a 2 with a much better handle than Parker or P. Willie had in Sanford.
In reserves, they have a lot of new kids.

They have the more experienced starting 5, I feel comfortable in saying they'll likely be better.

Nomadic1

Simply saying they'll be successful, because they'll be successful, is circular reasoning. I do my best to avoid logical fallacies.
Among the newbs is the next David West or Jordan Crawford?
I suppose we'll just have to let them play, to see if I'm right.
If I am, you can all form a line and kiss my ass.

MudFlap

So last year UD had what they were saying was a surefire NBA talent in CJ coming back. Gone. Parker, altho inconsistent, did have 9 ppg. Gone. Dilliard 13 ppg. Kavs basically showed he could play his position once in a while. P Will was pretty useless but did score once in a while. Benson was having a good year bcuz his first step was just quicker than everybody else's. That quickness is not coming back from acl in 10 mos. Derenbacher and Sanford are TOTAL UNKNOWNS, just like you say about the X players. YOU DON'T KNOW if they can play at all. 2/5ths of your starting, no one knows if they can play yet. Sanford could average LESS pts. than he did at G'town. There was a reason he never got on the floor.

Nomadic1

Derenbecker isn't really an unknown, the world watched him play as a frosh. I have a hard time believing he's gone backward, most redshirts improve, rather than worsen.
Safe to say, with his speed, height, handle and outside shooting outside ability, he'll be of great benefit to UD.

Sanford's handle is better than Parkers or Paul Williams' but how many points he'll contribute, is up for debate. A lower level of competition, I think he'll do pretty good, based on what I've seen of him. He's more athletic than your typical A-10 guard.

As for the ACL tear, you are right. The general rule is a year to two years to get back to full speed. That said, 6 months after surgery, you can engage in full activity again.
4 months of preperation, I imagine he'll have rehabbed well enough. I'm guessing, he'll be about 80%. His mobility and feel for the game are important. By the time conference play rolls around, Benson will be pretty good.

As for Kavs, the kid average 9 points 6 boards a game.
He's okay, like I said. Functional, not great. Does Xavier even have functional depth at the 5 spot?
Yet we presume they will, just because?
I'm betting he does better than whatever freshman you put in the post.

AdamtheFlyer

I think we've evolved past the logic that every newcomer is a complete unknown. Just because you know nothing about him, that doesn't mean he is unknown to everyone. Vee Sanford is going to be a good player for UD, possibly even all-league caliber.

As far as Benson with the ACL, again, it's a virtual non-issue. It was a clean ACL tear with no other damage. The minute the surgeon finished surgery the ACL was repaired, recovery time is about building the muscles in the legs stronger than ever. He's not a player that utilizes cuts, he's a straight line up the floor player, so he's no more or less likely to tear it again. This is 2012, not 1986. Doctors and trainers have gotten pretty good at this, and it isn't a true 2 year recovery cycle anymore. His torn labrum a few years ago was a much bigger injury. He'll be fine.

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FlyingElvis

BG recruited a top 50 player and the kid is now in the NBA. That doesn't happen with all the top 50 guys, so I would say it's a good return on investment so far.

We do agree that there is a reason that the better Chris Wright is in the NBA and the lesser Chris Wright is playing in a 2000 seat gymnasium in Edirne, Turkey.

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