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Old 03-31-2012, 11:48 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

Nick is just upset eggs is always playing second fiddle to ud.

The flyers are single handedly carrying this league while eggs fans and their insecurities are always playing little brother.
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Old 03-31-2012, 12:44 PM   #137 (permalink)
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

Is it possible to be as clueless as your avatar picture?
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:24 PM   #138 (permalink)
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

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Excellent post LaSalle Fan. I have to agree, ol' Nick pulled a disappearing act when things weren't going X's way. Magically, he showed up again once X seemed to right the ship; but that's the typical M.O. of a cyber bully, so I'm not too surprised.
I doubt you like me all that much as well. I mention that believing you to be a reasonable poster most of the time. However, I think you guys have a tendency to take comments about LaSalle too personally.

Facts are facts. There are 14 teams in this conference. All but 3 have contributed NCAA Tournament Units since being members of this league - LaSalle, Fordham and Duquesne.

Compounding LaSalle's problem is the fact that it's been the third wheel in the same town and, worse yet, a program with absolutely no plan or money to fix a major facilities problem.

Fordham could fix its problems if it had solid vision and leadership. Duquesne has the resources and apparent commitment to fix its program. LaSalle doesn't seem to be well positioned, or as well positioned as the other two. Either way, they're throwing money at their programs in a way that LaSalle can't, or won't.

Steve has actually come onto this board to state that LaSalle has a clear and defined facilities plan in the works. I believe you've refuted him, among others. That crap gets real old. It gets old at the same rate of "wait it'll next year" and "look at us, we finished in 5th place."

Yes, LaSalle isn't going anywhere for as long as this thing holds together. But don't think for a minute that it isn't fair or expected that fans of other programs - and not just Xavier fans BTW - are fed up with LaSalle's lack of contribution to this conference.

Contribute NCAA Units and much of the complaining goes away. Until then, with about 17 years in this league with ZERO accomplishments, you can't possibly believe LaSalle isn't ripe for criticism.
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Old 03-31-2012, 01:54 PM   #139 (permalink)
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Glad to see that you're back to your old obnoxious self, Nick. I was worried about you when you virtually disappeared during the first 2/3 of the A10 schedule when Xavier was struggling. Didn't have much to say about La Salle then, did you? I guess if you can't find a reason to trash their team, seeing as how they beat Xavier head to head and finished tied for fifth, you'll pull out the arena card again. I also loved your post where you put together your dream A10 and completely ignored La Salle, a team that over the last 7 years has finished 3rd, tied for 5th twice, 7th, and 10th. Not saying that I'm satisfied with those finishes, but the point is, there are a number of A10 teams who've finished behind La Salle since Giannini took over the program and he has at worst put them in the middle of the pack and out of that "bottom-feeder" status that you love to post about.

And they return all but one player from their roster and add a very good ACC transfer to take his place, so they should be good again in 2012-13 and beyond.

Hate to break this to you, but La Salle isn't going anywhere, no matter how much you want it to happen. Nobody with any say in the matter could give a rat's a$$ what you think. And at least Snipe and the majority of the X posters were man enough to stay on the board during the rough stretch and actually give credit to the teams that were playing well, unlike you who crawled under a rock for a couple months.
I am not a prolific poster at any time, either when X is going great or not. Be that as it may, I posted here 6 times in the week immediately following the Brawl and 24 times from the Brawl to the last game of the regular season (before the A-10 Tourney when XU sealed its at-large bid to the NCAA Tourney). I signed onto this site in 2002 and I am credited with only 1,348 total posts in the roughly 10 years since. That is an approximate average of 12 posts per month, not terribly unlike my record since the start of X's swoon from the Brawl. Therefore, your accusation of my supposed "unmanliness" at not posting frequently enough for your liking is totally unwarranted, not to mention false.

Your response is actually emblematic of what I and others find lame about a few of the LaSalle faithful (and I do mean "faithful"). You mention the string of the seven recent years of LaSalle's feats and point to one 3rd-, two 5ths-, a 7th- and a 10th-place finish as some sort of justification for the Explorers presence in some pie-in-the-sky Conference designed by a poster to this board (me). (By the way, what happened to the other two years in that 7-year stretch?)

In any such mythical Conference that I have fancied, I have been consistent in a few desired characteristics:
A relatively consistent good recent history in Conference game records
A relatively consistent good recent history in non-conference game records
An attendance record that indicates good support for the team
Access to, and occasional use of, a larger playing venue for home games
Location in a media center/metro area, not shared by another member

When measured against St. Joe's, LaSalle comes out a distant second and, as such, I did not include the Explorers in my imaginary Conference.

Go figure!!!
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Old 03-31-2012, 06:19 PM   #140 (permalink)
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

I understand the public statements by Yeager and others, but what I'm hearing here in Richmond is talks are still going on with VCU and GMU. May not come to be, but there is definite interest.
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I understand the public statements by Yeager and others, but what I'm hearing here in Richmond is talks are still going on with VCU and GMU. May not come to be, but there is definite interest.
I would think so.

I certainly hope so.

There are only so many more moves to be made before things settle in for both football and basketball. I can't imagine not making the moves that get you on the inside, rather than the outside looking in.
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

The same force that led Syracuse and Pitt to leave the Big East is at work with VCU and GMU. While all may have been or are happy in their present situations, the fear that they might be left behind is driving their decision making. The Orange and Panthers did not want to get stuck in a decimated Big East Football league and jumped. VCU and GMU are afraid that other CAA teams may chase their football dreams. There is already talk about Georgia State and the Sunbelt and speculations that JMU and ODU do not want to remain FCS/1AA. The Rams and Patriots fear that the CAA will be a much weaker conference and seek the long term security which they believe a strong basketball centric A-10 can offer.

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The same force that led Syracuse and Pitt to leave the Big East is at work with VCU and GMU. While all may or are happy in their present situations, the fear that they might be left behind is driving their decision making. The Orange and Panthers did not want to get stuck in a decimated Big East Football league and jumped. VCU and GMU are afraid that other CAA teams may chase their football dreams. There is already talk about Georgia State and the Sunbelt and speculations that JMU and ODU do not want to remain FCS/1AA. The Rams and Patriots fear that the CAA will be a much weaker conference and seek the long term security which they believe a strong basketball centric A-10 can offer.
Good points, RF1!

And the Butler Bulldogs want to parlay their recent great showings in the NCAA Tourney into membership in the top basketball-centric Conference in the Nation. It's almost as if all the stars have aligned for them: Temple opens a place by moving to the Big East and they now have a fuller awareness that they are ready for a steady diet of tougher challenges in regular Conference play and a more prominent place at the highest levels of D-1 College Basketball.

I would be a win-win situation for Butler and the A-10.

GM and VCU would indeed be the icing on the cake!
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You have to stop with this Siena talk. They are not on the same level of the A10. There facilities are terrible. Please do not tell me how great the Pepsi center is. Taking Seina would be a huge step back for the A10.
Siena is somewhat like a Xavier in the late 80's or early 90's. Their Albany, NY home floor is at the Times Union Center (basketball capacity = 8,444) and is a pretty impressive place, both outside and inside:



The Saints have pretty much captured the imagination of the Albany area college basketball fans. Over the past five years, they have averaged a record of 21 wins against 12 losses and their average attendance for home games at the TUC is 7,191 over that same period.

If a program with that kind of record on the floor and in the stands would gain membership to the A-10, it would almost certainly enhance its recruiting abilities and drawing power. Its current attendance record would certainly rank among the top 3-4 in the A-10. Furthermore, its metro area population is ranked #58 in the country, edging out the Dayton, Ohio Metro area that comes in at #61.
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

Siena wouldn't be bad but if we end up somehow adding another team beyond Butler or Butler, VCU, and GMU I still like the idea of Creighton.

Creighton has been to the NCAA tournament 17 times, averages between 13,000 and 16,000 every year, and has some nice facilities.

Very Nice Arena





6,000 seat soccer stadium



2,800 seat women's basketball arena


And baseball plays at the 24,000 seat TD Ameritrade Park Omaha


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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

After looking at Creighton's facilities I wanted to check out Butler's, VCU's, and George Mason's also.

So here are Butler's

Basketball - Of course is played at the 10,000 seat Hinkle Fieldhouse (a place I am looking forward to checking out in person)




Soccer - Plays at the 5,647 seat Butler Bowl



Baseball - Plays at the 500 seat Bulldog Park
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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

Here's VCU's

Basketball - Plays at the 7,500 seat Verizon Wireless Arena



Soccer - Plays at the 3,000 seat Sports Backers Stadium (track and field as well)


Baseball - Plays in a 12,134 seat stadium called The Diamond



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Here is George Mason's

Basketball - Plays at the 9,523 seat Patriot Center





Soccer - plays at the 5,000 seat George Mason Stadium


Baseball - Plays at the 900 seat Spuhler Field

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Re: CBS Sports: VCU, George Mason, Butler in discussions to join Atlantic 10

i grew up a siena fan. i went to their basketball camp for 6 years. i played horse with doremus bennerman. they will, to me, always play in the knickerbocker arena. the times union is a rag and the knick was my favorite place to be as a kid. i wouldn't mind siena, it'll create good, easy road trips for umass, uri, and bona.
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The capacity you list for Siena is for the specal configuration for their games whereby the upper balcony is cutained off. The Times-Union Center (formerly named Knickerbocker Arena and Pepsi Arena) can seat 15,229 for basketball. In 2003, the Times Union Center hosted the NCAA basketball East Regional, which was won by Syracuse University on their way to their first national championship. The arena also hosted the first and second rounds of the 1995 NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Tournament as the Knickerbocker Arena.

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