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Thank god there is a Republican majority on the Supreme Court to fix all of this!
At least a conservative majority in the Supreme Court... which trumps the DINOs and RINOs. That means that they will interpret the law and not write it like many liberal justices attempt to do. We need to present the new scientific evidence on when human life begins and finally overturn Roe v. Wade. Natural law.

We must continue to have Religious Freedom. President Obama is not Catholic and his ignorance knows no bounds. His policy on treating pregnancy like a disease violates Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. If liberals support reproductive Choice then don't they have to support choice for everything???
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right, employers have the right to restrict choices for their employees health care on the grounds they don't believe in it. guess what, i don't believe in cancer, you're ****ed if you work for me. don't blame obama because the catholic church couldn't effectively control its flock without resorting to government exceptions.
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At least a conservative majority in the Supreme Court... which trumps the DINOs and RINOs. That means that they will interpret the law and not write it like many liberal justices attempt to do. We need to present the new scientific evidence on when human life begins and finally overturn Roe v. Wade. Natural law.

We must continue to have Religious Freedom. President Obama is not Catholic and his ignorance knows no bounds. His policy on treating pregnancy like a disease violates Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. If liberals support reproductive Choice then don't they have to support choice for everything???
Funny, but I think it's your ignorance that knows no bounds Steve. Religious freedom means you don't cater to one specific religion's beliefs which is what you're recommending up above.
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I hope Xavier has agreed to pay to feed, clothe, and house all the unplanned children of its employees and offer free tuition to them. It would be the responsible and right thing to do given their actions to restrict family planning.
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right, employers have the right to restrict choices for their employees health care on the grounds they don't believe in it. guess what, i don't believe in cancer, you're ****ed if you work for me. don't blame obama because the catholic church couldn't effectively control its flock without resorting to government exceptions.
Huh?

There is a difference between being "sick" and elective choices. Has nothing to do with "believe in it".

There are always medical things that are "elective" and those that are deemed necessary. For example - often times prescription glasses are covered while contact lenses or lasik surgery isn't (or at least not as well). It is recognized that you might need your vision corrected, but providers go with the cheaper or more traditional option with other options being elective and you need to pay more.

Same with plastic surgery. If you tear ligaments in your knee and can't walk around, that is probably covered. Don't like your nose and want a new one? Sorry, you are paying. Same with getting a new huge rack (if there is anything we can all get behind that would be it, no?)

No one is telling you you can't get birth control, only that its not covered. You can go out and have as much sex as you want, with or without birth control. You are just responsible for paying and for whatever happens with your choice.

OMG! Taking personal responsibility for choices and not relying on someone else to pay for it? Crazy!

How can the posters from MA and RI not see this? No wonder these states always vote blue (and I live there and hate it).
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Because they are referencing the Blunt Amendment, which did not make any distinction based on medical need versus "electives," as you put it, MSG. The Blunt Amendment would have simply allowed an employer to refuse to cover with their insurance anything they objected to religiously. So, for example, if your employer was a member of a religion that didn't believe in, say, blood transfusions, they could refuse to cover it.

And from what I understand, many women are prescribed birth control pills for other reasons besides simply contraception. (And that's as far as I am qualified to talk about that.)
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Huh?

There is a difference between being "sick" and elective choices. Has nothing to do with "believe in it".

There are always medical things that are "elective" and those that are deemed necessary. For example - often times prescription glasses are covered while contact lenses or lasik surgery isn't (or at least not as well). It is recognized that you might need your vision corrected, but providers go with the cheaper or more traditional option with other options being elective and you need to pay more.

Same with plastic surgery. If you tear ligaments in your knee and can't walk around, that is probably covered. Don't like your nose and want a new one? Sorry, you are paying. Same with getting a new huge rack (if there is anything we can all get behind that would be it, no?)

No one is telling you you can't get birth control, only that its not covered. You can go out and have as much sex as you want, with or without birth control. You are just responsible for paying and for whatever happens with your choice.

OMG! Taking personal responsibility for choices and not relying on someone else to pay for it? Crazy!

How can the posters from MA and RI not see this? No wonder these states always vote blue (and I live there and hate it).
It's all about the "entitlement" generation. I want it and I want it now. Free(??) this, that or the other thing.
Hell, they probably would forget to use them damn pill. Goes something like, your mother said, you'd forget your head if it wasn't attached to your shoulders............

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fine people can go out and smoke all they want, but they're responsible for the consequences of their actions. sorry, can't cover any smoking related lung ailments, those are out. you're responsible, not your employer for paying for it. you want to drive like a ****ing dumbass? fine, when your fat face gets smashed up, you should pay for that shit. you want to eat your feelings after your boss gets done shitting on you for the day? pay for the consequences you freeloader, your employer shouldn't have to pay for that shit you freeloaders. in fact, employer sponsored healthcare plans should be made illegal since no one but individuals should have to pay for their self inflicted health problems.

oh wait... no.... its just sex that you people have a problem with. seriously, you people are so obsessed with the sex its sickening. what is wrong with you people?
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If religion chooses what healthcare is acceptable, does that mean that employees of any faith working for the Jehovah Witnesses can be denied blood transfusions? What if you were a Catholic journalist employed at the Christian Science Monitor? Christian Science teaches a reliance on God for healing, rather than on medicines or surgery. Can they deny all healthcare?

Freedom of religion does mean religions are free to force their belifs on others. It means that individuals have the right to worship as they see fit. If individuals decline medical options on their own for faith issues, that is their own personal decision and right.
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Ghost of the New England (MA/RI/Peoples Republic of VT) Sheeples.
Those crazy northeast states. What is up with them? The CDC just announced the teen birth rates and the six New England states (along with New Jersey) have the lowest birth rates (44-50) for teens. Interestingly the highest birth rates for teens tends to be in the southern "so called" bible belt states.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...e6S_story.html

The crazy northeast states also don't follow the rest of the country on marriage and divorce. The divorce rate is among the lowest in the nation for New England states while it is highest in the south. I guess the sanctity of marriage is just a term they throw out in other parts of the USA.
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It's all about the "entitlement" generation. I want it and I want it now. Free(??) this, that or the other thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJD8pZiRIzs

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Transitioning is a bi***!

No Church should be mandated by the government to provide benefits to their employees that are contrary to that Church's basic beliefs. The best way to combat this whole situation is to allot each employee an annual Health Insurance monetary benefit against which the employee can purchase coverages that suit their needs from among the suppliers of such plans determined by agreement between management and the employees. The Health Insurance company or companies simply submit to the employer a listing of the employees they are covering and the cost of the coverage selected by each employee. The specific coverages of each employee would not be itemized. That information would be known only by the end user and the provider.

This would be no different than an employee going to the corner drug store and buying a gross of condoms for his weekend usage using money from his paycheck. The Catholic hospital, church, school, etc. paid him the money that ultimately allowed him to purchase the birth control devices but the government didn't mandate the Church-affiliated institution to specifically pay for such a purchase.

In each of the scenarios above, the Church would be providing its employees with a salary or benefit but the government would not have told the Church that it had to provide a benefit that goes contrary to its own belief system. The employee would make that decision unilaterally.
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It's all about the "entitlement" generation. I want it and I want it now. Free(??) this, that or the other thing.
Hell, they probably would forget to use them damn pill. Goes something like, your mother said, you'd forget your head if it wasn't attached to your shoulders............

Ghost of the New England (MA/RI/Peoples Republic of VT) Sheeples.
Entitlement is out of whack, but you have it backwards on who is bleeding whom.

I can't help but notice that MA gets 82 cents back from the Federal Governement for every tax dollar they pay in. Missisisspi, when those fine God Fearing people aren't popping out babies at three times the rate of MA, gets $2.02 back for every dollar they put in. I don't have a single neat table to illustrate, but it pretty much fits regionally (http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/f...-20071016-.pdf)

All I can say to the crackers of the deep south is careful what you wish for.
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Funny, but I think it's your ignorance that knows no bounds Steve. Religious freedom means you don't cater to one specific religion's beliefs which is what you're recommending up above.
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Reiterating Maryland's earlier colonial legislation, the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, written in 1779 by Thomas Jefferson, proclaimed:

"[N]o man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
Those sentiments also found expression in the First Amendment of the national constitution, part of the United States' Bill of Rights:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The United States formally considers religious freedom in its foreign relations. The International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 established the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom which investigates the records of over 200 other nations with respect to religious freedom, and makes recommendations to submit nations with egregious records to ongoing scrutiny and possible economic sanctions. Many human rights organizations have urged the United States to be still more vigorous in imposing sanctions on countries that do not permit or tolerate religious freedom.
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President Obama decided that he would mandate that Catholics and other Christians violate their religious beliefs in order to follow what he believes is right! He doesn't understand that his powers as President are constitutionally limited. The Supreme Court will overturn most, if not all, of ObamaCare.
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Transitioning is a bi***!

No Church should be mandated by the government to provide benefits to their employees that are contrary to that Church's basic beliefs. The best way to combat this whole situation is to allot each employee an annual Health Insurance monetary benefit against which the employee can purchase coverages that suit their needs from among the suppliers of such plans determined by agreement between management and the employees. The Health Insurance company or companies simply submit to the employer a listing of the employees they are covering and the cost of the coverage selected by each employee. The specific coverages of each employee would not be itemized. That information would be known only by the end user and the provider.

This would be no different than an employee going to the corner drug store and buying a gross of condoms for his weekend usage using money from his paycheck. The Catholic hospital, church, school, etc. paid him the money that ultimately allowed him to purchase the birth control devices but the government didn't mandate the Church-affiliated institution to specifically pay for such a purchase.

In each of the scenarios above, the Church would be providing its employees with a salary or benefit but the government would not have told the Church that it had to provide a benefit that goes contrary to its own belief system. The employee would make that decision unilaterally.
It is disgusting that some health systems view Abortion as a procedure. Freedom of Choice is either keeping the baby or putting it up for Adoption... Abortion goes against Natural Law (nothing to do with religion) - no one has the right to terminate another innocent human life.

Scientists, doctors, the U.S. Bishops and other leaders of all religions need to provide the new scientific evidence to the Supreme Court so that we can close all the abortion clinics and turn Planned Parenthood into a charity that teaches abstinence to teenagers, let's them know they are personally responsible for all of their actions and supports women's health and truly protects human life.
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And yet with all of your bs that you posted Steve you didn't answer my question. Why is it ok for one religion to impose their views on others that don't follow that religion? How is that Freedom of Religion?
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