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Old 06-20-2012, 10:10 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Old 06-20-2012, 07:42 PM   #137 (permalink)
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MAking the top 25 and the big dance will feel like the NCAA Championship. If everyone is health then sweet sixteen is a possibility. If X can do it with there performance last year, UMass can as well.
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UMass will improve at least one game in the standings this year because they don't have to play La Salle twice.

In order to actually win the A10, they will have to hope that these preseason prognostications are not as self-inflated as Chaz's driver's license. (He's a great player, but he isn't 5'9".)
Yeah, he's like 5'7"


Greatest thing I saw at a game last year from stupid fans:

Drunken UMass students at the game (for some reason I decided to sit in the student section - last time I did that), clearly the girls in front of me had no idea how basketball worked.
One of the guys said: "See that short guy out there? He's Chaz Williams, only 5 foot 7!"
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Him: "Why...is he 5'7"?"
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When the stupid fans come back to the games, you know your team is improving a bit. Only people who actually care about the sport and the team show up when they suck.
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Old 06-21-2012, 08:41 AM   #139 (permalink)
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Notice who is listed first too, by the way. That wasn't a coincidence. UMass is the clear favorite in the A-10. It's downright sad that nobody besides Twister and myself can acknowledge this. I predict a record of 14-2 in conference play.
z8-minuteman, there is absolutely no way that UMass goes 14-2 in conference next year. They will be good, but not good enough to finish with a record like that.
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If Umass goes 14-2 they should be at or near the top 15 and that ain't happening. The conference is way too tough and even with the schedule break St Louis got, they will be hard pressed to get more than 12 wins in conference.

For Umass, anything north of 9 wins will be a very good regular season and if they can get to 12 and win the conference (regular season) that would be gravy...
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If Umass goes 14-2 they should be at or near the top 15 and that ain't happening. The conference is way too tough and even with the schedule break St Louis got, they will be hard pressed to get more than 12 wins in conference.

For Umass, anything north of 9 wins will be a very good regular season and if they can get to 12 and win the conference (regular season) that would be gravy...
I don't think anyone is going 14-2 or even 13-3 in the conference this year. We have too much up top for that to happen, and then the rest of the teams still manage to give just about anyone trouble at home.

I'm hoping for 10-11 wins in conference this year from UMass. Clearly they'll need to dominate the OOC schedule, but with how weak it is this year that hopefully shouldn't be an issue.
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I don't think anyone is going 14-2 or even 13-3 in the conference this year. We have too much up top for that to happen, and then the rest of the teams still manage to give just about anyone trouble at home.

I'm hoping for 10-11 wins in conference this year from UMass. Clearly they'll need to dominate the OOC schedule, but with how weak it is this year that hopefully shouldn't be an issue.
Ah - a voice of reason........ Thank you!

I don't want to look to far down the road, we have a long summer ahead of us; but right now I would consider less than 10 in conference and less than 20 total wins for the season very dissapointing. This team could easilly win 10 & 20, make the NIT and it would be deflating to the Umass fan base. Taking that next step is very hard and too many people don't have enough respect for that process. I do think umass has the horses, but we will now see if DK really is becoming an above average coach or not. Barring a major injury, there are no excuses for a step backwards this year.

I continue to waffle on where I think DK is and where I think he can go with this. He is in a tough spot this year in terms of contract. He has a year left on his deal - so does Umass extend him another 5 on the cheap or wait and see and screw up his possible recruiting as he could be viewed in a lame-duck position? If they go too cheap they could lose him to another program (assuming a really good seeason). Hurley's contract really puts the pressure on Umass IMO. He is making 3 times the money DK is, and an NCAA appearence in 2013 should earn DK similar money - right? I say give him another 2 right now with a decent bump, then if it blows up (in either direction) Umass has given itself enough time to assess and act accordingly without breaking the bank prematurely.
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I'm surprised at the level of doubt that still exists about Kellogg, especially among the UMass fans here. The guy can coach. He clearly can recruit, and last year, to me, erased any doubt that he has the other tools necessary for success. I watched a bunch of their games....and in EVERY one, UMass came out strong in the second half with tactical adjustments that worked. He had them winning on the road against quality teams like Seton Hall, Drexel, Miss. St....beat Temple (should have been twice), beat Xavier, smoked St Louis, beat Bonnies easily in reg season.....

I missed the Dayton game, which was obviously ugly. But I saw enough to know that he belongs. He might not be Dean Smith, but they aren't going to lose because of him, which some on here still seem to expect. He's getting better and better, which is a bit scary because he's going to get players.
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I'm surprised at the level of doubt that still exists about Kellogg, especially among the UMass fans here. The guy can coach. He clearly can recruit, and last year, to me, erased any doubt that he has the other tools necessary for success. I watched a bunch of their games....and in EVERY one, UMass came out strong in the second half with tactical adjustments that worked. He had them winning on the road against quality teams like Seton Hall, Drexel, Miss. St....beat Temple (should have been twice), beat Xavier, smoked St Louis, beat Bonnies easily in reg season.....

I missed the Dayton game, which was obviously ugly. But I saw enough to know that he belongs. He might not be Dean Smith, but they aren't going to lose because of him, which some on here still seem to expect. He's getting better and better, which is a bit scary because he's going to get players.
SpiderDave, how much can I thank you for making all of those points for me?

I've been saying them for months, but nobody here listens. Maybe now that a user deemed "sane" says is it, then everyone will all finally wake up.

Thanks a lot.
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SpiderDave, how much can I thank you for making all of those points for me?

I've been saying them for months, but nobody here listens. Maybe now that a user deemed "sane" says is it, then everyone will all finally wake up.

Thanks a lot.
You still have to keep it in perspective z. That is one good year out of 4. That could be construed as the exception rather than the rule. I suspect that he wil improve from last year (for which there is still plenty of upside).

But that is exactly why I (and I think many Umass followers) want to see what the encore is before we start elevating him to demi-god status. Those previous three years were pretty bad, and I know that Wahlberg had a lot to do with it, but DK was the one cashing the checks as the head coach....
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Hurley is making 3 times what Kellogg makes? I think UMass needs to fix that.
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I don't think anyone thinks demi god status is warranted. I just think expecting failure is silly at this point. And I still see posts along the lines of "they have talent, but Kellogg is still the coach..." and that makes no sense if you watched a good number of games last year. I think concerns about him being in over his head should be put to rest. I expect a high degree of skepticism from Knobby, who has had exactly 2 nice things to say about his own team since 1996. But the rest of UMass nation still seems unsold, and that surprises a bit. I'd expect Umass fans to be the first on the bandwagon, with other schools fans getting on a year later.
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I don't think anyone thinks demi god status is warranted. I just think expecting failure is silly at this point. And I still see posts along the lines of "they have talent, but Kellogg is still the coach..." and that makes no sense if you watched a good number of games last year. I think concerns about him being in over his head should be put to rest. I expect a high degree of skepticism from Knobby, who has had exactly 2 nice things to say about his own team since 1996. But the rest of UMass nation still seems unsold, and that surprises a bit. I'd expect Umass fans to be the first on the bandwagon, with other schools fans getting on a year later.
I have had a few more than 2 good things to say, but I get your point. I like to think I have cautious and reasonable expectations. The title of this thread (for example) is not a resonable expectation. To want your team to win the national champioship is one thing, but to actually predict an absolute event for which the odds are severly stacked against you is merely setting yourself up for a Muddy-like pounding when you are trounced. To say that Umass is not improving is flat our wrong, and to say that DK is not improving is flat out wrong. He made tremendous strides even from the start of last season, but he still has a ways to go. Will Umass be a dangerous team next year - Yes it will. Are they running the A-10 table and going to be a top 10 team - No.

It's hard to schidt on someone when you have underestimated, there is no shame in predicting 20 and missing because your team gets to 25, but when you are bragging and calling out everyone then overestimate by 5, you look very dumb and very open to ridicule not to mention looking like an a-hole - who really wants that - besides Muddy and a select few others.... Before the Dayton game I extened my own diatribe about how much I wanted to put a stake in Dayton's A-10 hopes. I did not predict a win, only mishes for one. Dayton beat the piss out of Umass that night and I still felt like a tool for my post, but it was nothing compared to the embarrassment I would have felt actually bragging about and predicting a victory over Dayton.

With the notable exceptions of Twister and the "z" posters, most umass fans are skeptical, but it doesn't mean we are not optimistic either. Everyone (incuding myself) are expecting bigger better things, but for the most part, we are approaching it with some humility. As much as I am dumping on LaSalle, we have not contributed much more than they have in the last 10 years to this conference, so to predict a national championship afer 10 years of abject mediocrity 9and sometime less than that) is just as dumb as predicting the same national champioship outocme for LaSalle.
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Again, do we really need to address the stupidity of the title of this thread? I am not even addressing that because it's beyond stupid. Nor am I asking for demi god status for Kellogg.

What I like is predictions based on what you really think...not qualified predictions made under a blanket of concern that you will look dumb later. Just by saying that, you make it seem like your "realism" includes at least some tempering of your real expectations to gain credibility and further distance yourself from the zealots. It smacks of, "let me make a 'prediction' which will ensure I won't get schidt on, rather than what I really might think". Which is just as lame as Z8 and Muddy's crap.

You can predict great things for a team - even your own - without bragging or looking like an asshole or looking dumb. Do you think Umass will win 20 games next year? Great. Tell me why and let's talk about it. Do you think they'll struggle and win 13? Great. Say what you think and back it up with what led you to think it. I think the people on here worthy of chatting with will see the difference between a very optimistic Dayton or Umass fan and posters like Muddy or Z8.
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Fair enough - I think they will get a first round A-10 bye, and be 11-5 in conference, plus 11-3 out of conference for a 22-8 record. And I think they will get into the big tourney.
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