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Muddy Waters · 07-28-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by antboy on May 16, 2012

1. SLU
2. SJU
3. Xavier
4. Umass
5. Temple
6. VCU
7. Dayton
8. La Salle
9. Charlotte
10. Richmond
11. SBU
12. GW
13. Fordham
14. URI
15. Duquesne

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Originally Posted by z1-Minutemen on May 17, 2012

1. St. Louis
2. VCU
3. UMass
4. Temple
5. St. Joes
6. Xavier
7. Dayton
8. La Salle
9. Richmond
10. URI
11. St. Bonaventure
12. Duquesne
13. GW
14. Charlotte
15. Fordham

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Originally Posted by waldo027 on May 30, 2012

1. Saint Louis
2. VCU
3. St Josephs
4. Butler
5. Xavier
6. UMass
7. Temple
8. Richmond
9. Dayton
10. La Salle
11. St Bonaventure
12. Charlotte
13. George Washington
14. Rhode Island
15. Duquesne
16. Fordham

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Originally Posted by Bill Russell on May 30, 2012

1. Saint Joseph's
2. Saint Louis
3. UMass
4. Temple
5. VCU
6. Xavier
7. St. Bonaventure
8. Richmond
9. Butler
10. La Salle
11. Dayton
12. George Washington
13. Charlotte
14. Rhode Island
15. Fordham
16. Duquesne

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Originally Posted by MudFlap on May 30, 2012

1. St. Louey
2. VCU
3. Butler
4. St. Joseph's
5. Xavier
6. Temple
7. UMass
8. St Bona
9. Richmond
10. La Salle
11. Dayton
12. George Washington
13. Charlotte
14. Rhode Island
15 Duquense
16. Fordham

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_sc on May 30, 2012

1. saint louis
2. saint joseph's
3. xavier
4. temple
5. vcu
6. umass
7. butler
8. dayton
9. lasalle
10. richmond
11. st. bonaventure
12. charlotte
13. george washington
14. rhode island
15. duquesne
16. fordham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bona Wolf for Pope on June 1, 2012

1. SLU
2. SJU
3. VCU
4. Temple
5. Xavier
6. UMass
7. Butler
8. Bonas
9. Richmond
10. Dayton
11. LaSalle
12. GW
13. URI
14. Fordham
15. Duquesne
16. Charlotte

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Originally Posted by SpiderInTheMixingBowl on July 29, 2012

1. Saint Louis (13-3) <= Best coach maybe and return everyone but Conklin from what could have been a Sweet 16 team.

2. Saint Joseph's (12-4) <= Great combination of talent and experience.

3. Xavier (11-5) <= Never bet against Xavier. Until proven otherwise, we assume they reload.

4. VCU (11-5) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to avoid injuries with vending machines.

5. Butler (10-6) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to protect their drinking fountains.

6. UMass (10-6) <= Mediocre coach, great talent.

7. Temple (10-6) <= Great coach, probably should be higher, but over whom?

8. Dayton (9-7) <= Perhaps Muddy is right, but I suspect he is wrong.

9. Richmond (8-8) <= Great coach, talent, but inexperienced.

10. LaSalle (8-8) <= Mediocre coach and talent.

11. St. Bonaventure (7-9) <= Good coach and some talent.

12. GW (6-10) <= Good coach, some talent, may take another year to implement system.

13. Charlotte (6-10) <= Mediocre coach and some talent.

14. Fordham (3-13) <= Good coach and mediocre talent.

15. Rhode Island (3-13) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation.

16. Duquesne (1-15) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation.

Those of you who picked Xavier to finish ahead of Dayton in 2012-13 apparently didn’t do your homework, so I did it for you:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Roster . . . Xavier Musketeers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!)

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                                                       2011-12    
     Player            Cl. Position       Ht.   Wt.    PPG  RPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard          6-1   182    3.2  0.7
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward        6-10  225    3.6  2.9
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward        6-8   220    4.5  3.7

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward        6-8   230    ---  ---

 5.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard          6-0   160    1.9  0.6
 6.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward        6-6   205    2.9  2.5
 7.  Wells, Dezmine    SO  Guard/Forward  6-5   215    9.8  4.9

 8.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard          6-3   182    ---  ---
 9.  Davis, Myles      FR  Guard          6-2   200    ---  --- 
10.  Farr, James       FR  Forward        6-9   222    ---  ---
11.  Reynolds, Jalen   FR  Forward        6-9   220    ---  ---

Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Dayton Flyers 2012-13 Roster . . . Dayton Flyers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!)

Code:

    Player            Class      Pos.  Height  Weight    Hometown
      
 1. Matt Kavanaugh    Senior      C    6'-9"   250 lbs.  Centerville, OH
 2. Alex Gavrilovic   Sophomore   C    6'-9"   246 lbs.  Strasbourg, France

 3. Josh Benson       RS Senior  PF    6'-9"   228 lbs.  Dayton, OH
 4. Devon Scott       Freshman   PF    6'-9"   215 lbs.  Columbus, OH

 5. Jalen Robinson    Freshman   CF    6'-9"   243 lbs.  Columbus, OH
 6. Devin Oliver      Junior     CF    6'-7"   225 lbs.  Kalamazoo, MI

 7. Matt Derenbecker  RS Soph. SF/SG   6'-7"   215 lbs.  Metairie, LA
 8. Dyshawn Pierre    Fresh.   SF/SG   6'-6"   210 lbs.  Whitby, Ontario 

 9. Jordan Sibert     RS Soph.   SG    6'-4"   187 lbs.  Cincinnati, OH (Will sit out 2012-13 season.)
10. Vee Sanford       RS Junior  CG    6'-3"   192 lbs.  Lexington, KY  

11. Kevin Dillard     RS Senior  PG    6'-0"   182 lbs.  Homewood, IL 
12. Khari Price       Freshman   PG    5'-11"  170 lbs.  Slidell, LA

Scholarships presently available for HS Class of 2012 players or transfers = 1.

Probable Depth Chart* (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

Muddy’s Observations: Advantage at Each Position:

C: Matt Kavanaugh and Alex Gavrilovic vs. Jeff Robinson and Jalen Reynolds.

PF: Josh Benson, Devin Oliver, and Devon Scott vs. Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Matt Derenbecker and Jalen Robinson vs. Justin Martin

SG: Vee Sanford and Dyshawn Pierre vs. Dezmine Wells, Brad Redford, and Myles Davis.

PG: Kevin Dillard and Khari Price vs. Semaj Christon and Dee Davis

Team Depth: Advantage: Dayton

Rebounding: Advantage: Dayton

3-Point Shooting: Advantage: Dayton

Game Coaching: Advantage: Even

**a10nick** · 07-28-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Those of you who picked Xavier to finish ahead of Dayton in 2012-13 apparently didn’t do your homework, so I did it for you:

Muddy’s Observations: Advantage at Each Position:

C: Matt Kavanaugh and Alex Gavrilovic vs. Jeff Robinson and Jalen Reynolds.

PF: Josh Benson, Devin Oliver, and Devon Scott vs. Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Matt Derenbecker and Jalen Robinson vs. Justin Martin

SG: Vee Sanford and Dyshawn Pierre vs. Dezmine Wells, Brad Redford, and Myles Davis.

PG: Kevin Dillard and Khari Price vs. Semaj Christon and Dee Davis

Team Depth: Advantage: Dayton

Rebounding: Advantage: Dayton

3-Point Shooting: Advantage: Dayton

Game Coaching: Advantage: Even

With advantages like Muddy outlines above, it seems pointless even to play the UD/XU games this season! Then again, analyses such as these by Muddy in the past have proven to be anything but accurate.

Let the games begin!!!

waldo027 · 07-28-2012, 10:08 AM

That's a really strong roster for Dayton. They have a great chance to finish top 10 in the conference this year.

Muddy Waters · 07-28-2012, 03:00 PM

In my humble opinion, I think Dayton has a good chance to finish in the Top 4 in the conference this year, behind 1. Saint Louis, 2. VCU, and 3. UMass.

I expect Butler, St. Joseph's and Temple to fight it out for the next three places, followed by Xavier in 8th place, but the Muskies appear to be at risk of having an unexpectedly poor season with their depleted Roster.

The Musketeers are solid at the SG position, but they have big question marks at the other four positions and they will be relying heavily on Isaiah Philmore, Semaj Christon, Dee Davis, and Jaylen Reynolds, who may or may not be as good as advertised.

Richmond and La Salle look good for 9th and 10th place, with St. Bonaventure and George Washington taking the last two seeds for the Atlantic 10 Tournament in March.

Watching the 2013 Atlantic 10 Tournament on TV: Charlotte, Rhode Island, Fordham, and Duquesne.

Dayton and Xavier have one thing in common this season, and that is the possible loss (due to injury) of their respective key players. If Dayton loses Kevin Dillard or Xavier loses Dez Wells, they will plummet in the Final Atlantic 10 Standings.

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on May 31, 2012 - Post # 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by xavierhoops on May 31, 2012 - Post # 153

While it's pretty obvious many UD fans on here are somewhat delusion about their program (some more than others) ....

Exactly who are you referring to, xavierhoops ?

I picked the Flyers to finish in 6th place in 2011-12, and UD finished in 6th place in 2011-12.

I am now predicting a 4th place finish for the Flyers in 2012-13 and a NCAA Tournament "at large" invitation in March 2013.

The delusions about the 2012-13 Dayton Flyers are coming from the other side of the fence.

Muddy Waters · 07-28-2012, 04:00 PM

More predictions (with Dayton finishing above Xavier):

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Originally Posted by TrainingDay on May 15, 2012

2012/13 Rankings(way early I know) - Post # 1

Why not?

1. Saint Louis- They're deep, gritty and really didn't lose to much from a talent persepctive. Add in Majerus and you have what should be a very good/to great team. They should spend a lot of time in the top 25.

2. UMass- CW is a special player and they have Big East athletes. Still don't love Kellogg and I think that style of play is hit or miss but they have too much talent to be out of the top 3.

3- St Joes- Everything is there for them to be a tourney team. They're incredibly talented but they still lack focus at times. Could very easily see them finishing #1 overall or falling apart.

4- VCU- Saw VCU play a fair amount last year, pretty incredible what they were able to pull off with such a young team. Shaka is worth every penny. They will miss Burgess more than people think.

5- Dayton- May be the leagues 5th tourney team for the first time. Dillard is an absolute stud and the Gtown transfer should help make up for Johnson leaving.

6- Temple- Lose a ton but return some great players and Dalton Pepper. Think they will sneak up on a few teams and could be in the top 5 by years end.

7- Xavier- Amazing that they're this low but they lose so much that it's inevitable. I know they're still talented but there's no reason to think that their won't be a large adjustment period for these young guys. Should improve by the end of the year and set up a tourney run again in 2013.

8- LaSalle- Won't sneak up on anybody this year but that backcourt should still be phenomenal. Should still be weak up front and will have difficulty matching up with the league's elite because of it.

9- Richmond- Will definitely improve. Derrick Williams is a beast and those guards have their moments. Mooney is too good a coach to have his team go out as meekly as they did last year.

10- GW- Have a very good freshman class coming in and the kid Armwood from Nova who can play(started for them I think). Not too much depth from the upperclassmen but they should compete this year and maybe could be a CBI team.

11- Bonnies- The natural comedown after a cinderella season. They have some talent left over, Conger especially, but that PG situation is still up in the air and without Nicholson to rely on they will have some major scoring droughts.

12- Fordham- The year they make it to the A10s. Gaston will be a man possessed this year. I don' t think Pecora is a good coach or the answer in the Bronx but he is collecting some talent there under the radar.

13- Charlotte- They might as well leave the conference now. They have some talent but there's something weird about that program and I'm not sure Major is the answer down there.

14- URI- Hurley should be great and they will make a big jump with the transfers next year. This will be another rough one though, especially with no HOlton/Outerbridge.

15- Duquesne- Not sure what needs to be said. They are in for a rough recovery period.

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Originally Posted by owlfan2272 on May 15, 2012

This is really tough for me... I mean can VCU just come in and get a top 4 or will there need to be an adjustment? I guess here is mine but it's tough.

1) Saint Louis- Solid, great coach, great home court advantage they are the safe #1 pick

2) St. Joes- I think they have as much talent as anyone in this league and are going to really come together.

3) UMass- I will put them here because you can't overlook the talent and the major step they took last year but this is a team that is going to exceed expectations or fail horribly. I am going to put them here but I think they could go from 1st to 8th.

4) VCU- Tough to put a new team here but VCU has proven to be solid and I don't think the change of conference will slow them too much.

5) Temple- I put us slightly ahead of Dayton but really they could be flip flopped easily.

6) Dayton- Solid new coach, good amount of returning players.

7) La Salle- Potentially dangerous UMass type team that could shock everyone or fail.

8) Richmond- Tough team to place because they could be a very dangerous, underrated team.

9) Xavier- Lost a lot, they are a machine they will rebuild it but it may take a year of average results.

10) Bonnies- Still bring back a decent amount but losing AN is huge.

11) GW- Nice talent but still a year away I think.

12) Fordham- Building off last year.

13) Charlotte- Not enough pieces.

14) URI- Tough with a new coach to expect much.

15) Duquesne- Just a disaster offseason.

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Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider on May 15, 2012

1. VCU
2. Temple
3. St Joe
4a. SLU
4b. Dayton
6. Xavier
7. Richmond
8. Umass
9. Bona

And then the rest

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Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider on May 30, 2012

1. VCU
2. Temple
3. St Joe
4. SLU
5. Dayton
6. Xavier
7. Butler
8. Richmond

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider on May 31, 2012

1. VCU - Made the tourney and won a game, returning a lot of talent and bringing in a really good freshman

2. Temple - Focus on what they lost and you will get burned. Bringing back a ton and adding some as well

3. St Joe - They were better than you last year, and bring back more

4. SLU - Championship caliber last year. Will take a small step back, but are still good enough to compete for a title

5. Dayton - Wishful thinking? Perhaps. Unlike you, I don't become a whiny toddler when others pick them lower. I'm ok with it. I just happen to know how good the newcomers are.

6. Xavier - Return some quality talent, add a good transfer, and have a strong freshman class. Down, but not out

7. Butler - Best coached team in our league now. Add a dynamite shooter. Battle tested. Not a championship team, but high quality

8. Richmond - Showed great promise at the end of last year, add some redshirt freshman. Guard play will be exceptional. I may end up putting them 6th or 7th depending on how the league schedule looks.

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on July 28, 2012

1. Saint Louis
2. VCU
3. UMass
4. Dayton
5. Butler
6. St. Joseph's
7. Temple
8. Xavier
9. Richmond
10. La Salle
11. St. Bonaventure
12. George Washington
13. Charlotte
14. Rhode Island
15. Fordham
16. Duquesne

Are any Xavier fans going to post their predicted order of finish for the 2012-13 season ? a10nick ?

Blue Blobster · 07-28-2012, 04:13 PM

Can't wait till laugh my ass off when we beat you... again, and again, and.... again.

themusk88 · 07-28-2012, 05:26 PM

muddy your funny or stupid. im not sure which

MudFlap · 07-28-2012, 05:38 PM

1. Get in the Dance. 2. Advance and Advance. I don't think X will win the A-10 this year, but I hope they will get another bid. The real season starts for me with the A-10 tournament. If you need to win and do, you're in the Dance. Rest of the stuff is window dressing to me.

SpiderInTheMixingBowl · 07-28-2012, 06:02 PM

1. Saint Louis (13-3) <= Best coach maybe and return everyone but Conklin from what could have been a Sweet 16 team.
2. Saint Joseph's (12-4) <= Great combination of talent and experience.
3. Xavier (11-5) <= Never bet against Xavier. Until proven otherwise, we assume they reload.
4. VCU (11-5) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to avoid injuries with vending machines.
5. Butler (10-6) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to protect their drinking fountains.
6. UMass (10-6) <= Mediocre coach, great talent.
7. Temple (10-6) <= Great coach, probably should be higher, but over whom?
8. Dayton (9-7) <= Perhaps Muddy is right, but I suspect he is wrong.
9. Richmond (8-8) <= Great coach, talent, but inexperienced.
10. LaSalle (8-8) <= Mediocre coach and talent.
11. St. Bonaventure (7-9) <= Good coach and some talent.
12. GW (6-10) <= Good coach, some talent, may take another year to implement system.
13. Charlotte (6-10) <= Mediocre coach and some talent.
14. Fordham (3-13) <= Good coach and mediocre talent.
15. Rhode Island (3-13) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation.
16. Duquesne (1-15) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation.

X Factor · 07-29-2012, 01:05 AM

How in the world does Muddy actually think 2 starters for Dayton, who both sat out last year, and one who couldn't get off the bench in 2 years at GU, are making UD better than X at those positions?

Xavier has been to what, 12 out of the last 13 NCAA tournaments? I think a sane person would pick X and their proven history of winning, guys stepping up every year over UD and their proven record of underachieving.

Also, you know Muddy is incorrect when puts the coaching category as a push.

**a10nick** · 07-29-2012, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Are any Xavier fans going to post their predicted order of finish for the 2012-13 season ? a10nick ?

Muddy,

Frankly, I put little (actually NO) stock in pre-season predictions of any kind. While certain types of speculation can be fun and amusing (such as trying to guess how all this conference-changing will play out in the end), I see virtually no reason to hazard a guess how the 16 teams in the A-10 will finish in the coming season when each of them has experienced significant changes from within. If that were not enough, you are asking us to determine how all those changes will work with regard to match-ups against the other 15 members of the Conference.

I have not (in person) seen any new Xavier player perform on the floor. I have no idea what roles they will play as they take their places on the 2012-2013 Musketeer team. I don't yet know how this coming Xavier team's chemistry will be. And I even don't know yet how markedly changed (improved) our returning players will be. Add all that batch of unknowns of my own favorite team to the fact that I know infinitely less about the other 15 teams in the A-10 and even you might be able to see what an exercise in futility a pre-season prognostication would be.

However, the deciding factor in my decision NOT to take up your challenge is the fact that I have seen how others (especially you) have fared in the past when they have made such predictions. Why would I want to make myself look that silly to the vast majority of this Board's readers whom I have grown to like and respect over the years?

X-man47 · 07-29-2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by a10nick

Muddy,

Frankly, I put little (actually NO) stock in pre-season predictions of any kind. While certain types of speculation can be fun and amusing (such as trying to guess how all this conference-changing will play out in the end), I see virtually no reason to hazard a guess how the 16 teams in the A-10 will finish in the coming season when each of them has experienced significant changes from within. If that were not enough, you are asking us to determine how all those changes will work with regard to match-ups against the other 15 members of the Conference.

I have not (in person) seen any new Xavier player perform on the floor. I have no idea what roles they will play as they take their places on the 2012-2013 Musketeer team. I don't yet know how this coming Xavier team's chemistry will be. And I even don't know yet how markedly changed (improved) our returning players will be. Add all that batch of unknowns of my own favorite team to the fact that I know infinitely less about the other 15 teams in the A-10 and even you might be able to see what an exercise in futility a pre-season prognostication would be.

However, the deciding factor in my decision NOT to take up your challenge is the fact that I have seen how others (especially you) have fared in the past when they have made such predictions. Why would I want to make myself look that silly to the vast majority of this Board's readers whom I have grown to like and respect over the years?

Mudflap ventured a predicted order of finish earlier in this thread, and I'm pretty sure that he is a Xavier fan.

stophorseabuse · 07-29-2012, 10:12 AM

Without any clue at all what Kansas in the big 12, OSU and Mich St. In big 10, KY and FL in the SEC, UNC and Duke in the ACC, Syracuse and Louisville is the BE, or Gonzaga in the WCC bring back next year. I have full confidence they will be players in their league.

Temple and Xavier are that to the A10.

stophorseabuse · 07-29-2012, 10:14 AM

Ever so rarely each of those programs have a down year, but it is never smart to predict it.

**a10nick** · 07-29-2012, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-man47

Mudflap ventured a predicted order of finish earlier in this thread, and I'm pretty sure that he is a Xavier fan.

I'm not sure I understand your point, X-man47. I addressed my comments to Muddy and described MY reasons for not being interested in making such predictions. There was nothing in my comments that would suggest that I was speaking for anyone other than myself, Mudflap included. I concluded by stressing the point that Muddy's predictions in the past have been laughably inaccurate and I didn't want to look as silly.

07-28-2012, 10:08 AM	#183 (permalink)
waldo027 6th Man Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 382 Rep Power: 155570	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology That's a really strong roster for Dayton. They have a great chance to finish top 10 in the conference this year.

07-28-2012, 04:13 PM	#186 (permalink)
Blue Blobster Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 682 Rep Power: 145099	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology Can't wait till laugh my ass off when we beat you... again, and again, and.... again. __________________ Xavier likes to Play in the NCAA tournaments Dayton likes to host them while they play in the NIT

07-28-2012, 05:26 PM	#187 (permalink)
themusk88 Rookie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology muddy your funny or stupid. im not sure which

07-28-2012, 05:38 PM	#188 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,607 Rep Power: 150436	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology 1. Get in the Dance. 2. Advance and Advance. I don't think X will win the A-10 this year, but I hope they will get another bid. The real season starts for me with the A-10 tournament. If you need to win and do, you're in the Dance. Rest of the stuff is window dressing to me.

07-28-2012, 06:02 PM	#189 (permalink)
SpiderInTheMixingBowl Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,728 Rep Power: 348163	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology 1. Saint Louis (13-3) <= Best coach maybe and return everyone but Conklin from what could have been a Sweet 16 team. 2. Saint Joseph's (12-4) <= Great combination of talent and experience. 3. Xavier (11-5) <= Never bet against Xavier. Until proven otherwise, we assume they reload. 4. VCU (11-5) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to avoid injuries with vending machines. 5. Butler (10-6) <= Great coach, talent, and a system. Have to protect their drinking fountains. 6. UMass (10-6) <= Mediocre coach, great talent. 7. Temple (10-6) <= Great coach, probably should be higher, but over whom? 8. Dayton (9-7) <= Perhaps Muddy is right, but I suspect he is wrong. 9. Richmond (8-8) <= Great coach, talent, but inexperienced. 10. LaSalle (8-8) <= Mediocre coach and talent. 11. St. Bonaventure (7-9) <= Good coach and some talent. 12. GW (6-10) <= Good coach, some talent, may take another year to implement system. 13. Charlotte (6-10) <= Mediocre coach and some talent. 14. Fordham (3-13) <= Good coach and mediocre talent. 15. Rhode Island (3-13) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation. 16. Duquesne (1-15) <= New coach and new roster. Bad year to be in that situation.

07-29-2012, 01:05 AM	#190 (permalink)
X Factor Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 927 Rep Power: 5128	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology How in the world does Muddy actually think 2 starters for Dayton, who both sat out last year, and one who couldn't get off the bench in 2 years at GU, are making UD better than X at those positions? Xavier has been to what, 12 out of the last 13 NCAA tournaments? I think a sane person would pick X and their proven history of winning, guys stepping up every year over UD and their proven record of underachieving. Also, you know Muddy is incorrect when puts the coaching category as a push. __________________ When you live in Tool City, you care what the mayor thinks. - Blue Dog (September 9, 2009) Last edited by El Shaqtus; 07-29-2012 at 08:00 AM.

07-29-2012, 10:12 AM	#193 (permalink)
stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology Without any clue at all what Kansas in the big 12, OSU and Mich St. In big 10, KY and FL in the SEC, UNC and Duke in the ACC, Syracuse and Louisville is the BE, or Gonzaga in the WCC bring back next year. I have full confidence they will be players in their league. Temple and Xavier are that to the A10.

07-29-2012, 10:14 AM	#194 (permalink)
stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology Ever so rarely each of those programs have a down year, but it is never smart to predict it.

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