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DukesDan · 05-16-2012, 02:09 PM

So your argument is that he is a great coach because he ditched DDR when he finally had a player you think could have actually ran DDR?

z8-Minutemen · 05-16-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DukesDan

So your argument is that he is a great coach because he ditched DDR when he finally had a player you think could have actually ran DDR?

No... The argument is that the DDR was ineffective because he never had the right people to run it. And yes, I do think he has that necessary player now to run it. However, it's obvious that our new style suits Chaz better than our old style, although I believe he could play both. That said, I love our new style of play because it is extremely effective, and way more effective than the DDR could ever be. I'd be nuts if I wanted us to go back to the DDR, the thought of it makes me shiver.

jpschmack · 05-16-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

Lest we forget what happened to UD the year after UD beat WVU in the first round of the NCAA and returned all but ONE player and we went 8-8 in A10 play. It's no guarantee. Every year is different with chemistry, injuries, sometimes the POD schedule, ect.

Weren't there two pretty large injuries that year? After all, UD beat #5 Louisville and pimp-slapped #10 Pittsburgh that year OOC.

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Originally Posted by Jwetzel

We are in the Battle for Atlantis which is loaded this year. Duke, Mizzou, Stanford, Memphis, Minnesota, Louisville, Northern Iowa and us. My understanding is that we will play three of them but brackets haven't been released yet.

Coming to our place is Wichita State, Alabama, Western Kentucky and Fairleigh Dickenson. We had dates with GW and UR that I assume will be replaced with other OOC. I fully expect to pick up a game with odui and play them home and home like we did with UR.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the OOC slate so far.

You need some more cupcakes. That's a tough OOC schedule you needed in CAA, but overkill in the A-10.

The best way to schedule in the A-10 is "We're getting 9 OOC wins minimum" and then tough games after that. You don't have 12 games against teams under .500 in conference anymore. Charlotte played three last year.

You had Mason and Drexel last season. Well, the top eight teams in our league are on par with that (or better). You've got Xavier, Saint Louis, Temple (this season), Dayton, Richmond, UMass, etc, etc.

With your four open slots -- GW and UR now conference; two fewer conference games, 16 instead of 18 -- you need to bring in four wins to your place. Call the MEAC ASAP (Not Norfolk State).

11-3 OOC, 10-6 A-10 with wins over Wichita St, Alabama, UNI/Minn/Stan, WKU OOC, couple of wins vs the top four of the A-10, you can get in at 22-10 overall.

That's why you joined the league.

xavierhoops · 05-16-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TrainingDay

There's no question X would have been top 4 with Lyons in the fold. Without him they're still talented but unlike two years ago they have to replace the heart of the team as well as the production. When they lost Crawford/Love Tu was still back so people who knew the program knew they wouldn't drop too far.

Nope. Terrell and Tu were really two different players. Terrell averaged 12 pts in 2010 and 5 points in 2009.

No one knew going into 2010-11 season Tu was going to develop into the All-American he became and essentially single-handedly winning the A-10 for 5th straigth yr and another NCAA appearance in '11.

vaNtR · 05-16-2012, 04:02 PM

Temple is being underrated. I don't expect them to win the league next year, but they're going to be better than people think. Losing Michael Eric will probably be the biggest loss. Cummings will be an upgrade at point and having both Pepper and Randall is going to make Temple very dangerous.

Rambunctious Rowdy · 05-16-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleJayAlum

Just read an article indicating that due to the change in number of conference games, VCU has to find four games for next year. Creighton needs one game....will agree to home and home series (even neutral sites if totally necessary)...C'mon VCU, make it happen.

I'd love to play you guys. I've always enjoyed our games against the MVC. Very passionate b ball fans. I'd be more than happy to share a conference with Creighton(could you drag Wichita St with you?

).

Bill Russell · 05-16-2012, 04:29 PM

This is going to be a long summer.

Rambunctious Rowdy · 05-16-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpschmack

You need some more cupcakes. That's a tough OOC schedule you needed in CAA, but overkill in the A-10.

The best way to schedule in the A-10 is "We're getting 9 OOC wins minimum" and then tough games after that. You don't have 12 games against teams under .500 in conference anymore. Charlotte played three last year.

You had Mason and Drexel last season. Well, the top eight teams in our league are on par with that (or better). You've got Xavier, Saint Louis, Temple (this season), Dayton, Richmond, UMass, etc, etc.

With your four open slots -- GW and UR now conference; two fewer conference games, 16 instead of 18 -- you need to bring in four wins to your place. Call the MEAC ASAP (Not Norfolk State).

11-3 OOC, 10-6 A-10 with wins over Wichita St, Alabama, UNI/Minn/Stan, WKU OOC, couple of wins vs the top four of the A-10, you can get in at 22-10 overall.

That's why you joined the league.

You can't even try to comprehend how strange it is for VCU fans to think our schedule is overkill. It took the best year in who knows how many years in 2011 to get 3 bids for the CAA(2 at larges). The concept of scheduling some cupcake teams intentionally is kind of foreign for us. Its gonna take some of us a while fully adjust to that.

DukesDan · 05-16-2012, 05:15 PM

Duquesne has really put itself into a position to be a team near the top of the conference in 2013-2014. New transfer 6'8 Ovie Soko is a beast and will fit into Ferry's system perfectly. He should grow as a player even more as he competes in the olympics with Great Britain this summer. Can't hurt to practice and compete with three NBA players including Luol Deng and Ben Gordan.

Duquesne's days of having a tiny lineup could be over as well. There will be more height on the 2013-2014 team than Duquesne has had in years. Next year should be a rebuilding year for sure but I guaruntee they do not finish last. Jim Ferry will show his chops as a coach and find away to finish at .500 overall. Probably a couple games under .500 in the A10. There are more good A10 players returning than Sean Johnson. Marhold, Jones, Pantophlet, and Datt were all decent last year. Add in some development of Martin and Abele and you have 4 options at the PF and C spot.

Dont sleep on the Dukes.

z8-Minutemen · 05-16-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DukesDan

Duquesne has really put itself into a position to be a team near the top of the conference in 2013-2014. New transfer 6'8 Ovie Soko is a beast and will fit into Ferry's system perfectly. He should grow as a player even more as he competes in the olympics with Great Britain this summer. Can't hurt to practice and compete with three NBA players including Luol Deng and Ben Gordan.

Duquesne's days of having a tiny lineup could be over as well. There will be more height on the 2013-2014 team than Duquesne has had in years. Next year should be a rebuilding year for sure but I guaruntee they do not finish last. Jim Ferry will show his chops as a coach and find away to finish at .500 overall. Probably a couple games under .500 in the A10. There are more good A10 players returning than Sean Johnson. Marhold, Jones, Pantophlet, and Datt were all decent last year. Add in some development of Martin and Abele and you have 4 options at the PF and C spot.

Dont sleep on the Dukes.

.................. I really hope you're joking.

I like the new recruits, and I admire your passion, but let's not go overboard here.. They certainly have the talent to finish middle of the pack in 2 years, but with Ferry as coach I'm not sure that they can get out of the cellar. Middle of the pack, maybe. TOP OF THE CONFERENCE? You've got to be kidding me...

DukesDan · 05-16-2012, 05:37 PM

First of all they are not in the cellar right now. They finished 16-15 last year. I think every player on that team is being replaced by an equal or better player except TJ. I think Quevyn Winters will be a star from day one and replace BJ Monteiro. Talley is no better than incoming freshman Colter, Sophomore PJ Torres, or new JUCO PG Binney. Johnson and Jeremiah Jones will lock down the SG spot. Datt, Marhold, Martin, and Abele will hold down the PF and C postions. Pantophlet will be a great SF next year and split time with Winters. Jim Ferry is a proven DI coach with NCAA tourney experience, something Everhart did not have coming in.

There is obviously a preconceived notion that Duquesne will fail because of their history. I think if you look at the players one by one on the team you will see they will not be a basement dweller any time soon.

paulxu · 05-16-2012, 06:41 PM

So far, I think Fordham is the only school that hasn't weighed in claiming a spot in the top 3 of the conference(or winning outright).

Come on Rams! Get with the program!

bprichard · 05-16-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

That ESPN article was assuming Lyons was coming back (at least I'm pretty sure it was). I said 2 months ago, with Lyons, X was a 1-4 team...without him I'm guessing 4-7. Imo

Despite Lyons being a very good player, I think Xavier is better off without him. Like George Costanza, he's a chucker (although a pretty effective one). But I think without him, Xavier's other players will be able to develop their strengths more effectively. Despite my general dislike of Chris Mack and skepticism about his in-game coaching, jettisoning Lyons seems like a good move that will benefit the team.

With the losses Xavier's had, I see them struggling in the out of conference schedule (relatively) and coming together during A-10 play, resulting in a dispiriting (for me) third or fourth place finish behind maybe St. Joe's, UMass and maybe St. Louis, despite a troubling, harbinger-of-things-to-come loss to the University of Dayton Flyers at the Cintas Center.

Rams Rankings:
1. VCU
2. Fordham
3. URI

Blue Blobster · 05-16-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

.................. I really hope you're joking.

I like the new recruits, and I admire your passion, but let's not go overboard here.. They certainly have the talent to finish middle of the pack in 2 years, but with Ferry as coach I'm not sure that they can get out of the cellar. Middle of the pack, maybe. TOP OF THE CONFERENCE? You've got to be kidding me...

Thats funny coming from you.... God forbid another fan from another team declares their team a A10/national championship caliber team.

Like the title says (way early)

z8-Minutemen · 05-16-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Blobster

Thats funny coming from you.... God forbid another fan from another team declares their team a A10/national championship caliber team.

Like the title says (way early)

OK OK. I have no problem with some overzealous Dayton and La Salle fans proclaiming their team the best. They're wrong, but at least they have a shred of reason for optimism. BUT DUQUESNE? ARE YOU SERIOUS? That's just flat out wack. Never seen a dumber post in my life, which says a lot, considering all the stupid shit posted on this board in the last few days..

05-16-2012, 02:09 PM	#76 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology So your argument is that he is a great coach because he ditched DDR when he finally had a player you think could have actually ran DDR? __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

05-16-2012, 04:02 PM	#80 (permalink)
vaNtR Veteran Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,009 Rep Power: 8401	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology Temple is being underrated. I don't expect them to win the league next year, but they're going to be better than people think. Losing Michael Eric will probably be the biggest loss. Cummings will be an upgrade at point and having both Pepper and Randall is going to make Temple very dangerous.

05-16-2012, 04:29 PM	#82 (permalink)
Bill Russell Veteran Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,851 Rep Power: 34346	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology This is going to be a long summer. __________________ www.bonaalumni.com

05-16-2012, 05:15 PM	#84 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology Duquesne has really put itself into a position to be a team near the top of the conference in 2013-2014. New transfer 6'8 Ovie Soko is a beast and will fit into Ferry's system perfectly. He should grow as a player even more as he competes in the olympics with Great Britain this summer. Can't hurt to practice and compete with three NBA players including Luol Deng and Ben Gordan. Duquesne's days of having a tiny lineup could be over as well. There will be more height on the 2013-2014 team than Duquesne has had in years. Next year should be a rebuilding year for sure but I guaruntee they do not finish last. Jim Ferry will show his chops as a coach and find away to finish at .500 overall. Probably a couple games under .500 in the A10. There are more good A10 players returning than Sean Johnson. Marhold, Jones, Pantophlet, and Datt were all decent last year. Add in some development of Martin and Abele and you have 4 options at the PF and C spot. Dont sleep on the Dukes. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

05-16-2012, 05:37 PM	#86 (permalink)
DukesDan Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,135 Rep Power: 15970	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology First of all they are not in the cellar right now. They finished 16-15 last year. I think every player on that team is being replaced by an equal or better player except TJ. I think Quevyn Winters will be a star from day one and replace BJ Monteiro. Talley is no better than incoming freshman Colter, Sophomore PJ Torres, or new JUCO PG Binney. Johnson and Jeremiah Jones will lock down the SG spot. Datt, Marhold, Martin, and Abele will hold down the PF and C postions. Pantophlet will be a great SF next year and split time with Winters. Jim Ferry is a proven DI coach with NCAA tourney experience, something Everhart did not have coming in. There is obviously a preconceived notion that Duquesne will fail because of their history. I think if you look at the players one by one on the team you will see they will not be a basement dweller any time soon. __________________ Duquesne Dukes: 2012 A10 tournament qualifier!! 2012-2013 Locks of the Day TBA 2011-2012 Locks of the Day NIT participant 29-26-0...... .527 2010-2011 Locks of the Day Regular Season Champion 31-20-4 ..... .600 #15 Cooper #11 Green #10 Nixon #12 Ricketts #24 Somerset

05-16-2012, 06:41 PM	#87 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,367 Rep Power: 309022	re: 2012/13 Rankings, Including Bracketology So far, I think Fordham is the only school that hasn't weighed in claiming a spot in the top 3 of the conference(or winning outright). Come on Rams! Get with the program! __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

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