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Muddy Waters · 05-17-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by a10nick - Post # 105

Finally, Myles Davis is not just another Brad Redford.

He can create, take it to the hoop, and shoot from the perimeter.

Scoochie Drawing a Buzz in the Recruiting World (Alex Kline, Rivals/TheRecruitScoop - May 14 2012)

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Earlier in the year, he squared off with Xavier signee Myles Davis of Notre Dame Prep (MA) and dropped 37 points in a loss.

z8-Minutemen · 05-17-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TrainingDay

Kellogg is far from a "great" coach. You're comparing a guy who was a NIT run from getting the Ax to a guy who reached the National Championship game and is one of the most well respected bball minds in the country(regardless of what you think of his personality). This is absurd. If I was starting a team right now I'd take Mitchell over Williams btw but that's a different argument. You're overhyping of what should be a decent UMass team is reaching ridiculous levels.

Just don't see it with Duquesne. They were far worse than their record last year, I actually thought Everhart did a good job. Maybe URI will still be worse but when you're counting on guys like Marhold to win in conference that spells trouble.

Man, you could not be more wrong. This is the problem with arguing, once you state a dumb point, you follow it up with more incorrect information solely driven by blind hatred.

1. Kellogg was not even close to getting the ax. That NIT run did nothing for his job. Where did you get this idea from dude? UMass had one of their best seasons in a decade and you really think an NIT run had the slightest impact on his job? You're delusional or just not paying attention. You must be daft..

2. Kellogg is no Rick Majerus. Not even close. I never claimed he was better. I believe Majerus is one of the best coaches in the country, and I'm a big fan of his personality, as I see a semblance of it in myself. My point was that Kellogg did a fine job, and held his own in the matchup against Fat Rick. Say what you want, but any coach who can beat the Majerus head-to-head by double figures is NOT a bad coach..

3. I don't know where that Mitchell comment came from, but you keep showing that this whole argument of yours is driven by hate. No one in their right mind on this board would take Mitchell over Williams. The likely A-10 POY(not saying he will be) with possibly the best intangibles I've ever seen in a player in any sport, OR a pretty good A-10 player with a sexual assault on his record. The choice is clear cut.

4. I don't know why everyone thinks I'm over-hyping UMass. By the end of the year there was not a team in the conference playing better than UMass besides St. Bonaventure. Temple and St. Joes cooled off and were reeling, Xavier was reeling too. Maybe St. Louis was playing better. But nobody else.

You can't argue that UMass has some of the best pure athleticism in the country. If it all came down to more atheticism, they could go toe-to-toe with anyone in the country. My predictions are fringing on that athleticism translating onto the court in the form of A-10 dominance. Who knows if it will, but if you look at that talent you can't doubt that it is the best that the league has to offer. Remember those short stretches every game(it probably happened to your team) where UMass just completely overpowered teams and seemed like world beaters? Well I believe with more experience that we can get those stretches to occur more frequently. And if we do, watch out. That's all I gotta say.

DukesDan · 05-17-2012, 05:28 PM

You are delusional if you don't think he was close to being fired at the end of last year...

End of rumors: UMass AD John McCutcheon says that basketball coach Derek Kellogg will be back in 2011-12

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The University of Massachusetts men's basketball program is ailing, but coach Derek Kellogg will be given a chance to turn things around.

In the wake of an Atlantic 10 tournament loss that had the mood of a wake, UMass athletic director John McCutcheon said Wednesday that Kellogg will be back for the 2011-12 season.

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To a dissatisfied fan base, though, the team's problems are deeper than one game or one play. They have lit up the message boards and blog sites, and many have also stopped showing up.

z8-Minutemen · 05-17-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DukesDan

You are delusional if you don't think he was close to being fired at the end of last year...

End of rumors: UMass AD John McCutcheon says that basketball coach Derek Kellogg will be back in 2011-12

SMH. BY "last year," TrainingDay and I meant the the 2011-2012 season. No doubt he was close to getting fired at the end of the 2010-2011 season. But last year he proved in the REGULAR SEASON, NOT the NIT as trainingday suggested, that he was the right man for the job..

DukesDan · 05-17-2012, 05:54 PM

Alright, I agree. The NIT run did not save his job. The regular season did.

MudFlap · 05-17-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

Xavier was reeling too.

Yep, X reeled right to the Dance and the Sweet 16 - only A-10 team to make it that far as I recall.

MudFlap · 05-17-2012, 06:34 PM

Oh, and finished in the Top 25 in the Nation. reel, reel bad.

bprichard · 05-17-2012, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

I actually take the opposite approach. The loss of Lyons could stall the younger players development in the short term. Lyons would have had two sets of eyeballs on him at all times. Now the help pressure will flow toward Wells. Can he go from promising slasher to all-around stud in one offseason? Perhaps, but I'm not counting on it. I think he has a good sophomore year, but true stardom won't happen until he's a junior. Christon will have more eyeballs on him, which is not ideal for a freshman PG, and he'll get the London Warren sagging D until he can prove he can shoot. Myles Davis appears to be a dynamite shooter, but without Lyons he will be given the Redford treatment. Is he ready to score consistently with a D1 defender on his hip at all times? Probably a year or two away from that.

Xavier will have to find an interior presence to reach their potential. I like Philmore's game a lot, but I don't think he'll be that type of player. Reynolds is an intriguing prospect but just a freshman. Jeff Robinson and Travis Taylor are what they are. If someone or some collective doesn't step up, they will see a lot of packed in defenses with one guy hugging the gunners, M. Davis and Redford. I haven't even mentioned defense, which only sees two returning players who showed any ability to defend in Dee Davis and Wells.

I think losing Lyons will hurt Xavier quite a bit this year. Knocks them from sure top 4 down to the 5-6-7 range. Long term they are fine, but I definitely see a short term bump in the road.

Your reasoning is pretty sound. I still think X will finish at 4 or higher, but I have a more optimistic outlook on Dez than you do. I think his output last year was primarily limited by being the third or fourth option on offense. He'll likely have an adjustment period, but there are a lot of games to work that out before the A-10 season begins. Could go either way, I think.

I don't think the top of the A-10 looks that frightening this year either. Tons of good teams, no one who stands out as great. UMass and St. Joe's both have teams that look good on paper and were very erratic last season, but neither has players accustomed to consistent success. We'll see how it shakes out. The only team I'm really confident about is St. Louis.

TrainingDay · 05-17-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

Man, you could not be more wrong. This is the problem with arguing, once you state a dumb point, you follow it up with more incorrect information solely driven by blind hatred.

1. Kellogg was not even close to getting the ax. That NIT run did nothing for his job. Where did you get this idea from dude? UMass had one of their best seasons in a decade and you really think an NIT run had the slightest impact on his job? You're delusional or just not paying attention. You must be daft..

2. Kellogg is no Rick Majerus. Not even close. I never claimed he was better. I believe Majerus is one of the best coaches in the country, and I'm a big fan of his personality, as I see a semblance of it in myself. My point was that Kellogg did a fine job, and held his own in the matchup against Fat Rick. Say what you want, but any coach who can beat the Majerus head-to-head by double figures is NOT a bad coach..

3. I don't know where that Mitchell comment came from, but you keep showing that this whole argument of yours is driven by hate. No one in their right mind on this board would take Mitchell over Williams. The likely A-10 POY(not saying he will be) with possibly the best intangibles I've ever seen in a player in any sport, OR a pretty good A-10 player with a sexual assault on his record. The choice is clear cut.

4. I don't know why everyone thinks I'm over-hyping UMass. By the end of the year there was not a team in the conference playing better than UMass besides St. Bonaventure. Temple and St. Joes cooled off and were reeling, Xavier was reeling too. Maybe St. Louis was playing better. But nobody else.

You can't argue that UMass has some of the best pure athleticism in the country. If it all came down to more atheticism, they could go toe-to-toe with anyone in the country. My predictions are fringing on that athleticism translating onto the court in the form of A-10 dominance. Who knows if it will, but if you look at that talent you can't doubt that it is the best that the league has to offer. Remember those short stretches every game(it probably happened to your team) where UMass just completely overpowered teams and seemed like world beaters? Well I believe with more experience that we can get those stretches to occur more frequently. And if we do, watch out. That's all I gotta say.

SMH. Crazy talk. We heard less boasting from Dayton two years ago after they WON THE NIT much less teams that have gotten to the tournament. You are setting yourself up for a letdown because as surely as this UMass team will win some big games they will also lose to some bad teams. They have a very poor team bball IQ and it's very tough to rely on a 5'5 point guard to carry your team(as talented as he may be). The shots at Mitchell are uncalled for and unwarranted and Majerus saying he's the best guard he's coached since Andre Miller holds far more weight than anything you could say.

Xavier made the Sweet 16 last year. Temple was excellent all year and Saint Louis WON A GAME IN THE TOURNAMENT. Losing to a mediocre Stanford team in the NIT semifinals doesn't exactly spell dominance.

Those who truly follow college basketball know that judging teams based on athleticism is often a futile enterprise. Charlotte and GW were probably two of the most athletic teams n the league last year and Saint Louis was maybe the least. How'd that work out for them?

Rambunctious Rowdy · 05-18-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DoubleJayAlum

Our fan base is talking about getting a game against VCU HERE and HERE. Hopefully, we get that game scheduled. It is a shame that in the history of bracketbusters, we never ended up against one another. Instead we had to keep pummeling Mason while you guys kept beating Wichita St.

As to bringing WSU with us, while I hate everything WSU related with tremendous passion

(they are our main rivals), I'd like to bring them along if we left the MVC because they are well funded and don't have a FB program. Travel for them would be even more ridiculous than for Creighton though, so I doubt it is a viable option.

Every year we'd see Creighton close in RPI and we hoped we'd get matched up. Unfortunately ESPN kept matching us with Akron(Shaka use to be the assistant coach there) or some other random school. Finally we got WSU on the road which ended up being a great win as it probably helped our at large chances in 2011. We actually play them this year at home in the return game. Our schedule OOC is pretty nasty already this year so if we add Creighton our fanbase is gonna be stunned with excitement. As far as Mason goes I'm not sure how much of a accomplishment beating up on Mason will be soon considering what has happen to the CAA. Of course they will forever hate us for being undefeated against them in the CAA tourney(6-0 when we played).
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I'd say the hate between you guys and WSU is very close to VCU's hate of ODU/UR. I'd say more close to UR though. The two schools can't stand anything about each other. Here's a comment from a VCU fan awhile back on how he views ODU/UR

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"ODU is more like a little brother who annoys the crap out of you, but I would stick up for if a bully came along. UR on the other hand is the annoying rich kid, who comes in and F's your sister, tries to cut down a memento, then leaves in the middle of the night for a supposedly prettier girl (but fails miserably with her, and makes you laugh)."

Knobby · 05-18-2012, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

.................. I really hope you're joking.

I like the new recruits, and I admire your passion, but let's not go overboard here.. They certainly have the talent to finish middle of the pack in 2 years, but with Ferry as coach I'm not sure that they can get out of the cellar. Middle of the pack, maybe. TOP OF THE CONFERENCE? You've got to be kidding me...

Coming from the guy calling for a national championship in two years.............

Gormin71 · 05-18-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by z8-Minutemen

3. I don't know where that Mitchell comment came from, but you keep showing that this whole argument of yours is driven by hate. No one in their right mind on this board would take Mitchell over Williams. The likely A-10 POY(not saying he will be) with possibly the best intangibles I've ever seen in a player in any sport, OR a pretty good A-10 player with a sexual assault on his record. The choice is clear cut.

You sound confused to me.

"likely A-10 POY" ... "(not saying he will be)"

He's the "likely" A10 POY, but you're not saying he will be. So is he likely, or not?

You're just confused. But, then, we already knew that...

MudFlap · 05-18-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Scoochie Drawing a Buzz in the Recruiting World (Alex Kline, Rivals/TheRecruitScoop - May 14 2012)

Not too interesting, bcuz 1. They don't play the same position.
2. Myles team won.

Try something else please.

paulxu · 05-18-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MudFlap

Not too interesting, bcuz 1. They don't play the same position.
2. Myles team won.

Try something else please.

Yes...BUT...if they had scored one more basket they might have won.

MudFlap · 05-18-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Yes...BUT...if they had scored one more basket they might have won.

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