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MudFlap · 06-01-2012, 08:46 AM

The NIT deservedly gets no respect. You have to play your way into the Dance. You go to the NIT if you play your way out of the Dance. Everyone knows the parameters to get in, then you have to DO it. UD's effort in the NIT was pathetic. They didn't want to be there and it showed.

Muddy Waters · 06-01-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by UMass87 on May 31, 2012

What Have You Done For The A10 Lately?

Enhanced its reputation.

FLYER STUDENT-ATHLETES PART OF RECORD-BREAKING CLASS (University of Dayton - May 6, 2012)

The University of Dayton held its undergraduate commencement this Sunday, May 6 in UD Arena. Nearly 2,000 students participated in commencement exercises and 75 degrees were conferred upon Flyer student-athletes.

Combined with degrees granted earlier this academic year in August and December, about 2,900 Flyers will earn degrees, a record for one academic year.

Dayton has had unprecedented success during the tenure of this senior class; both academically and athletically.

Some of the athletic accomplishments of this senior class include:

- 17 NCAA Tournament appearances

- 21 conference team championships in the last four years.

- Several A-10 Individual Track and Field Champions

- 3 Pioneer Football League Titles

The academic numbers are just as impressive:

- Dayton is among the nation’s best in graduating its student-athletes. UD’s 95 GSR in this year’s report places the University tied for 21st in the nation and tied for first in the Atlantic 10.

- The Flyer men’s and women’s basketball teams both have 100 GSR scores. Dayton is one of just four institutions whose men’s and women’s basketball programs have perfect GSR numbers and both won at least 20 games last season. That exclusive club’s membership consists of Dayton, Duke, Notre Dame and Princeton.

- In the latest Academic Progress Rate (APR) reports, 12 of the Flyers’ 17 teams had an APR score of 985 or higher (out of a perfect score of 1,000), well above the national average : women’s soccer (994), women’s track and field – indoor and outdoor (991 for both), volleyball (995), men’s golf (1,000), women’s basketball (1,000), women’s rowing (1,000), women’s tennis (990), women’s cross country (994), women’s golf (1,000), men’s basketball (985) and softball (985).

- UD men’s and women’s golf, women’s basketball and women’s rowing all had perfect scores.

- Five Flyer programs –men’s basketball, men’s golf, women’s basketball, women’s golf and women’s rowing – have the top APR in their sport in their respective conferences, while two more – football and volleyball – have the second-best.

- Nationally, six Dayton teams posted multi-year APRs in the top 10 percent of all squads in their respective sport – football, men’s basketball, men’s golf, women’s basketball, women’s golf and women’s rowing.

- Following the Fall 2011 semester, UD student-athletes had a combined cumulative grade point average of 3.235 and all 15 of 16 programs had a team GPA of 3.0 or higher.

On top of those accomplishments, these student-athletes have also done thousands of hours of community service in the Dayton area.

MudFlap · 06-01-2012, 08:50 AM

Woo friggin' woo, this is a basketball board.

Muddy Waters · 06-01-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by UMass87 on May 31, 2012

What Have You Done For The A10 Lately?

Xavier:

**agoo101284** · 06-01-2012, 08:59 AM

Please tell me that Muddy and I aren't the only people on this board who are concerned about the academic quality of the student athletes of the A-10.

A10fan2 · 06-01-2012, 09:01 AM

I'm wondering when the DUKE vs. UD home and home series will begin? That exclusive club must be good for something. Nevermind, UD was a BUY game for Duke. That greatly enhanced the league's reputation.

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Some of the athletic accomplishments of this senior class include:

- 17 NCAA Tournament appearances

- 21 conference team championships in the last four years.

- Several A-10 Individual Track and Field Champions

- 3 Pioneer Football League Titles

All those accomplishments and ONLY 1 can be attributed to mens bball. How embarrassing that the only revenue producing sport can't carry it's own weight with some success.

ace93 · 06-01-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by agoo101284

Please tell me that Muddy and I aren't the only people on this board who are concerned about the academic quality of the student athletes of the A-10.

I care, but don't think there is any point in touting it.

xavierhoops · 06-01-2012, 10:06 AM

I care about academic quality as well, and no one has ever questioned UD as an academic institution. Clearly, they are a pretty impressive academic institution and invest heavily in their student-athletes (as many A-10 schools do).

Unfortunately that is not "enhancing the A-10's reputation" as Muddy likes to think. The A-10 is an athletic conference, not an academic quiz bowl conference. The marquee and by far the most notable sport in the A-10 is men's basketball. Out of the 50 athletic accomplishments Muddy listed, only 1 was achieved by the marquee and most publicized sport of men's basketball.

Being part of an elusive club regarding GSR's (while a nice accomplishment) certainly does not enhance the reputation of the A-10 as much as your marquee program being put on probation by the NCAA hurts the reputation.

**El Shaqtus** · 06-01-2012, 10:19 AM

Interesting work...I still think the NIT should not be recognized UNLESS the A-10 team (like Dayton did) wins it. NIT bids I think are a negative on the league.

**agoo101284** · 06-01-2012, 10:30 AM

I'd rather have my team lose in the first round of the NCAA than win the NIT, but its a bit overstating to call it a negative for the league. Its still national recognition that your team is good.

Bona Wolf for Pope · 06-01-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by agoo101284

I'd rather have my team lose in the first round of the NCAA than win the NIT, but its a bit overstating to call it a negative for the league. Its still national recognition that your team is good.

And it makes the league look a little better if, say, half the conference in in some post season tournament. It makes those in the NCAA look like they weren't just beating on scrubs the whole time.

paulxu · 06-01-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Wrong again, paulxu.

The violation you refer to happened more than 10 years ago:

Well, I didn't refer to the violation. I refered to the probation.
And if 3 years beginning in 2000 actually runs into 2003, then I would suspect 2003 might be within the last 10 years. Then again, in flyer land....who knows? I gather it's a mystical sort of place where all sorts of delusional and unreal thoughts are possible. So, just maybe....

ExplorerSteve · 06-01-2012, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by agoo101284

I'd rather have my team lose in the first round of the NCAA than win the NIT, but its a bit overstating to call it a negative for the league. Its still national recognition that your team is good.

Since you don't get to decide... if your team is in the NIT they are there to win it! If your team gets to the NCAA you are also there to win it! When you win a couple of NIT titles in a row let me know, then maybe we can debate it!

AdamtheFlyer · 06-01-2012, 12:25 PM

The NIT is a personal experience. It matters to you and you only. How you value that success is up to you.

But, no one else is paying attention. Other eyeballs are inherently the definition of "what have you done for the A10 lately". If no one outside your small bubble notices, are you really doing anything for the league as a whole? Nope.

AdamtheFlyer · 06-01-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ace93

Correct. The tiny bit of respect the coaches and pundits give it is more than none, which is what the casual fan gives it.

One of the things you hear the most during the first round of the NIT is how difficult it is for these teams to get up for these games after the huge let down of being left out of the tournament.

Of course coaches are going to talk up the NIT. They don't want to be hammered when their school has to play in the NIT. The same thing happens every December when coaches talk about the honor of playing in the Champs Sports Bowl.

The truth is, not a single coach of a credible program wants anything to do with the NIT.

It's OK if you attach value to your team being in the NIT and having success. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. But, this is a discussion about rating contributions to the greater good. Fact of the matter is, nothing that happens in the NIT adds true value to the league.

06-01-2012, 08:46 AM	#91 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,644 Rep Power: 150436	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? The NIT deservedly gets no respect. You have to play your way into the Dance. You go to the NIT if you play your way out of the Dance. Everyone knows the parameters to get in, then you have to DO it. UD's effort in the NIT was pathetic. They didn't want to be there and it showed.

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agoo101284 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bronx, NY Age: 28 Posts: 7,765 Rep Power: 1595653	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? Please tell me that Muddy and I aren't the only people on this board who are concerned about the academic quality of the student athletes of the A-10.

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xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 889 Rep Power: 262014	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? I care about academic quality as well, and no one has ever questioned UD as an academic institution. Clearly, they are a pretty impressive academic institution and invest heavily in their student-athletes (as many A-10 schools do). Unfortunately that is not "enhancing the A-10's reputation" as Muddy likes to think. The A-10 is an athletic conference, not an academic quiz bowl conference. The marquee and by far the most notable sport in the A-10 is men's basketball. Out of the 50 athletic accomplishments Muddy listed, only 1 was achieved by the marquee and most publicized sport of men's basketball. Being part of an elusive club regarding GSR's (while a nice accomplishment) certainly does not enhance the reputation of the A-10 as much as your marquee program being put on probation by the NCAA hurts the reputation.

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El Shaqtus KVBL's Resident Old Fart Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: St. Louis Metro Posts: 6,571 Rep Power: 1819770	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? Interesting work...I still think the NIT should not be recognized UNLESS the A-10 team (like Dayton did) wins it. NIT bids I think are a negative on the league. __________________ Mom, thanks for everything. RIP Coach Rick Majerus 12/1/12. You were the one that said it was OK to think big at SLU. You were right. KVBL Lexington Kings 2023 KVBL Champions: St. Louis Warriors (El Shaqtus) 2026 KVBL First Loser 2013 BBBL First Loser

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agoo101284 -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bronx, NY Age: 28 Posts: 7,765 Rep Power: 1595653	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? I'd rather have my team lose in the first round of the NCAA than win the NIT, but its a bit overstating to call it a negative for the league. Its still national recognition that your team is good.

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AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: What Have You Done For The A10 Lately? The NIT is a personal experience. It matters to you and you only. How you value that success is up to you. But, no one else is paying attention. Other eyeballs are inherently the definition of "what have you done for the A10 lately". If no one outside your small bubble notices, are you really doing anything for the league as a whole? Nope. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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