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Old 06-19-2012, 10:28 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

Good luck to Ramone Moore, Andrew Nicholson, Tu Holloway, and Chris Johnson (who I'm not sure has a realistic chance). Having 4 players who will be in the NBA next year is a good reflection upon the level of play in our league.

As a Celtics fan who hates almost all of the players on the Celtics roster, I would love to add Nicholson to our team. It would actually get me back into being a Celtics fan, which I do hope to be again. And please Celtics if you pick him, don't trade him like you did with MarShon Brooks.. Don't break my heart again.
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Good luck to Ramone Moore, Andrew Nicholson, Tu Holloway, and Chris Johnson (who I'm not sure has a realistic chance). Having 4 players who will be in the NBA next year is a good reflection upon the level of play in our league.

As a Celtics fan who hates almost all of the players on the Celtics roster, I would love to add Nicholson to our team. It would actually get me back into being a Celtics fan, which I do hope to be again. And please Celtics if you pick him, don't trade him like you did with MarShon Brooks.. Don't break my heart again.
CJ has as much chance of success in the NBA that Holloway has. College game doesn't always translate to NBA. Holloway was a stud in college, nationally known player. But he's a 6'0" PG that will be asked to guard 6'3"-6'5" PGs in the NBA. He's not the pure shooter CJ is either. What I'm saying is, CJ translates to a 2 guard in the NBA better then Tu does to PG in the NBA. Just my opinion.

Nicholson is a lock for a mid to late first round pick. I'd say Moore is next, then a toss up between Tu and CJ.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

Nicholson to Boston would be an ideal fit, but I really doubt he's going to fall that far. Someone will nab him in that 12-20 range before the C's get the chance.
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CJ has as much chance of success in the NBA that Holloway has. College game doesn't always translate to NBA. Holloway was a stud in college, nationally known player. But he's a 6'0" PG that will be asked to guard 6'3"-6'5" PGs in the NBA. He's not the pure shooter CJ is either. What I'm saying is, CJ translates to a 2 guard in the NBA better then Tu does to PG in the NBA. Just my opinion.

Nicholson is a lock for a mid to late first round pick. I'd say Moore is next, then a toss up between Tu and CJ.
I'm not questioning that, believe me. As a fan of Jose Juan Barea from NU, I know you don't have to be drafted and highly regarded to have success. I'm just saying that I don't think CJ has a realistic chance of being drafted, despite what a few delusional Dayton fans say..
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very funny.

I will inform you that Nebraska goes by UN. Let's stay on topic though.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

I never thought that Chris Johnson (CJ) had too much NBA potential because his build is a little slight. But the guy can shoot and rebound. He has a high motor like Chris Wright too. IMO, he needs more muscle. I think he could make it as a role-playing spot-up shooter in the NBA, but it's a long shot, IMO.

Holloway made a living in college by throwing a shoulder into his defender once he got him off balance and then going to the line. In the NBA, the level of athlete defending him would make that a lot harder. I think you saw that in college when he had a big athlete with quickness guarding him and when the whistle was a lot slower, like on some occasions when X played UC.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

Chances of making it in the NBA as a 2 guard that CAN'T dribble is far more remote than a 6' pg. Sato could shoot and rebound very well but he couldn't handle the ball. Thus he is off to a nice career in Europe
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CJ has as much chance of success in the NBA that Holloway has. College game doesn't always translate to NBA. Holloway was a stud in college, nationally known player. But he's a 6'0" PG that will be asked to guard 6'3"-6'5" PGs in the NBA. He's not the pure shooter CJ is either. What I'm saying is, CJ translates to a 2 guard in the NBA better then Tu does to PG in the NBA. Just my opinion.

Nicholson is a lock for a mid to late first round pick. I'd say Moore is next, then a toss up between Tu and CJ.
Here are the stats. Johnson has better a better percentage in 3 out of the 6 comparisons.

Tu Johnson
2011-12
FG% .429 .465
3PT% .346 .397
FT% .862 .859

2010-11
FG% .424 .404
3PT% .345 .379
FT% .870 .830
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Jameer Nelson anyone? Fellow A10 member? => TU HOLLOWAY!!!!

Tu has a better chance then CJ,

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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

75,

Holloways height is going to be a major issue, although the kid is tough and can play. He also played in NBA camps last year so scouts have a better feel for how he could play in the NBA.

Johnson has the tools but he struggles with a handle, not a lot of room for 2 guards that cant handle the ball. I dont see anyway Johnson makes an NBA team.
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Let's just focus on the one thing we know for certain: Andrew Nicholson will soon be making orphans of his competitors' children in the NBA. I would imagine that the mothers will die of grief.
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Can you teach dribbling skills at the NBA level? Serious question, how much can CJ improve his dribbling w/ pro coaching? Its obviously a weakness in his game, but he gives you a couple of things that I think appeal to an NBA team looking at a developmental kid in the mid to late 2nd round or as a college free agent.

He can shoot the 3 pointer, especially in a catch and shot situation. Brian Roberts was a great 3 point shooter, but he was much better taking that shot when the ball was in his hand and he could create space. CJ is pretty much the opposite of that, which considering that he'd be used in a catch and shot situation in the pros is a good thing for his chances at at a roster spot.

CJ has incredibly long arms for his height. That helps him grab rebounds
CJ has very solid leaps for his height, that also helps him grab rebounds.
Having a guy in the 2 spot that can mix it up on the boards is another plus that few other 2 gaurds will offer.

CJ is an extremely solid free throw shooter. As a developmental guy with holes in his game, its one less thing to worry about. Its also a skill that should translate to the NBA so that if he ever does develop the rest of his game and make it into your 8 man rotation, he's a guy you should be able to count on during end of the game situations where you know your team is getting fouled.

He may or may not get drafted, but either way I'm guessing he's going to have to prove himself with stints in the D-league like Chris Wright did this past season to get time on the end of someone's bench when/if others get hurt, then prove himself during limited minutes (if he ever makes it that far) to get a chance at more minutes next season. I don't know that CJ is the sharpest knife in the draw, but I don't recall much off the court trouble and have heard many stories about his hard work ethic. If I'm looking for a guy to occupy the end of my bench and develop, the last thing I want is a guy I have to worry about showing up on the police blotter at 3:00 AM, so his character should be a plus as well.

I see no reason to dissparge TU to make CJ look better, nor vice versa. One getting drafted has little bearing on the other player's chances of getting drafted. They're certainly viewed as playing different roles, so one may like the other better overall, but draft/sign the other because it fits their developmental needs better. There is no rule that states only 3 players can get drafted out of the A-10, so while Tu's attitude made me cringe at times, I appreciate the kids hard work and motor and hope that both kids achieve their dream of making it to the league either by draft or collegiate free agent.
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Re: 2012 NBA Draft

As a completely impartial observer, I see no way Chris Johnson makes an NBA roster. Tu Holloway has a chance, but I still don't see his game translating well to the NBA. He doesn't have the ideal height or athleticism to make an impact on the next level. The only lock I see is Nicholson. Ramone Moore has a chance, but I view his prospect of getting drafted as rather slim as well.
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