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Old 06-20-2012, 09:06 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Offensive players flop all the time. You think Wade ends up on the ground 50 times a game because he actually gets knocked to the ground? Of course not, he flops around every time a defender is within 3 feet of him.

Tu Holloway did make a living flopping in college. Reasonable minds really can't disagree with that. But that's not his fault, he got the calls. It's the refs who need to police it out of the game. If a player knows he can get to the FT line by driving and wiggling while yelling "ahhhhhh", well, he's going to spend all game doing just that, if he's smart. Dillard does it, too. I hate that it's such a big part of the game, but it's a big part of the game. When in Rome...
We have a different definition of flopping. I have never in playing/being around basketball my whole life heard of anyone refer to an offensive player as "flopping." No, Tu Holloway didn't make a living flopping in college. (By the way, I am of a reasonable mind and I just disagreed with your assessment that you said was not disagreeable by reasonable minds). Tu Holloway made a living in college by driving to the basket, drawing contact (whether real or perceived) and getting to the free throw line.
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We have a different definition of flopping. I have never in playing/being around basketball my whole life heard of anyone refer to an offensive player as "flopping." No, Tu Holloway didn't make a living flopping in college. (By the way, I am of a reasonable mind and I just disagreed with your assessment that you said was not disagreeable by reasonable minds). Tu Holloway made a living in college by driving to the basket, drawing contact (whether real or perceived) and getting to the free throw line.
The term "flopping" comes from soccer, where it's any move meant to deceive the official. Most of it is on offense. So yeah, drawing "perceived" contact is defined as flopping.
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Indeed. Holloway also led the Atlantic 10 in flopping last season.


In 2010-11, junior Tu Holloway led the Atlantic with an amazing 8.4 FT attempts per game.

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An astute and accurate observation, FlyingElvis.

This observation, coupled with vaNtR’s observation below and the fact that the NBA is going to crack down on the type of nonsense we saw from Tu Holloway for four seasons means that "Tu Holloway" won’t be among the 60 names announced during the NBA Draft Show.


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The term "flopping" comes from soccer, where it's any move meant to deceive the official. Most of it is on offense. So yeah, drawing "perceived" contact is defined as flopping.
Again, I've played basketball my whole life and never referred to anyone on offense as flopping. (I've also never used the terms flop and deceive interchangably).

I could likely be in the minority but in my experience flopping always referred to a defensive player flopping/falling when attempting to take a charge.
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To get back on track, what do you all think about the ideal fits (team-wise) for our A-10 prospects? By that, I not only mean where their skills could be utilized easiest, but where they'd have a better shot of staying on a roster.
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Sour grapes is right, ChicagoX. I really can't blame Muddy, though. In the years Tu was on Xavier's roster, his record verse Dayton was 7-4. Xavier's dominance of Dayton is what has led to the envy and bitterness so obviously displayed by Muddy and fellow UD posters.

I would be just as envious and bitter if the shoe were on the other foot and UD had dominated Xavier over the past 3 decades as Xavier has.
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To get back on track, what do you all think about the ideal fits (team-wise) for our A-10 prospects? By that, I not only mean where their skills could be utilized easiest, but where they'd have a better shot of staying on a roster.
I hope Chris Johnson gets drafted or signed by the Thunder. Derek Fisher is done, and Daequan Cook is just not a capable NBA player. They will be out looking for a role playing SG, and their funds are limited if they are looking to keep both Harden and Ibaka. That's the kind of situation where he can come in and contribute with the second team.
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so obviously Nicholson will get drafted because he is in the first round. Here are some mock's that included both rounds. More specifically looking at the second rounds. I picked them out as I went down google. If I missed any you should post them.



http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2012mock_2.php

#57 Tu Holloway

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/

#60 Tu Holloway

http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

#57 Ramone Moore

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2012-NBA-Mock-Draft-Round-2

#54 Tu Holloway

http://nbadraftroom2.blogspot.com/p/...ond-round.html

NONE


See, look! I got some links to prove the findings muddy!
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Wait, where is Chris Johnson??? Not ranked?? Muddy, looks like you have some work to do/links to post!!!!!
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Thanks Muddy. Believe it or not, I do know the difference between an offensive foul and a defensive one. In post #33 above however you stated that Tu Holloway led the A-10 in flopping. I have yet to find the stats kept by the A-10 on flopping. I must have missed it.
Those stats are tracked in the comments section on ESPN articles.
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The term "flopping" comes from soccer, where it's any move meant to deceive the official. Most of it is on offense. So yeah, drawing "perceived" contact is defined as flopping.
I have never heard the term flopping used in soccer. The idea of it, sure, but not referred to as flopping. Taking a dive, acting, but not flopping.
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Shannon Russell's latest blog article on Holloway's chances in the draft.

One Scouts take on Holloway's draft prospects
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Chris Johnson (NBA Draft.net Profile)




Chris Johnson measured 6'-5" (in shoes), 194 lbs., with a 6'-9" wingspan at the 2011 Kevin Durant Skills Academy.

Overall Score: 87

Chris Johnson (ESPN Draft Profile)

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Shooting Guard • 6'-6" • 194 lbs. • School: Dayton • Hometown: Columbus, OH • Wingspan: 7'-11"

Positives: Huge wingspan



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Ha. No way his wingspan is 7'11".
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Was Chris Johnson at the Combine? I don't see his stats here.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...Combine&sort=7
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