StealthBomber

X fans keep making good points about how their team really isn't made up of gangsters who were shunned by other programs. But why do their gangsters keep getting suspended and kicked off the team for gangster activities while the national media rips them a new a$$? Look at reality. Whip it out and measure Dez and Muskeagle. Until then, just shut up.

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Byron Larkin has no discernable broadcasting talent. I blame him for giving all Xavier listeners a basketball smarts lobotomy.

Muddy Waters

Muddy's Observations:

(1) Justin Martin and Dee Davis are only starting their sophomore year of eligibility.

(2) If one of them transfers from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 71% (5 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(3) If both of them transfer from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 86% (6 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(4) In addition to the four high school recruits who were either asked or told to leave Xavier, Chris Mack has already had decommitments from two high-profile, nationally-ranked prospects:

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a10nick

Responses:

(1) The fact that Justin and Dee are only sophomores is a very good thing in the minds of Xavier fans.

(2) Each will probably be starters from day one this season, thus giving them the opportunity for huge amounts of playing time. If either were to transfer following the 2012-13 season, that would likely mean that he failed to take advantage of his golden opportunity.

(3) See #2, above. Plus, one might also opine that either or both (Dee and Justin) could blossom into great players who lead the Muskies to multiple trips and significant "noise" to the NCAA Tourney.

(4) Obvious jealousy, Muddy! Wouldn't you love for your Flyers to (at least) get a commitment from as high-profile and nationally-ranked prospects as Xavier has in the not-too-distant past? Which program, yours or Xavier's, has frequently been ranked in the Top 25 among in-coming classes? (Rhetorical question!!!)

Feel free to burn this site's band width with your drivel from now until the cows come in. But it seemingly doesn't affect one little bit the constantly proven fact that Xavier has elevated itself above UD's stature among D-1 college programs.

Deal with it!!!

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I just want the team I support to be in a stronger conference. I'd prefer it to be a stronger A-10! To me that would mean every member would have at least 2 trips to the NCAA Tourney and 5 winning seasons during each 10-year cycle. It would also be great for every program to seriously challenge for a league title (either regular season or Tourney) at least once during that same period of time.

SpiderDave19

I think Xavier could have a long year if Dee Davis is required to do big things. Their hopes lie in the guys we haven't seen yet, in my opinion.

X-man47

By both quoting and responding to Muddy's "drivel", you are compounding the buring of band width problem. Please don't respond to Muddy and his alter egos. Or if you must, please don't quote them.

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Xavier always goes to the NCAA tournament, and almost always makes some noise while there. Projecting anything less than that this season feels like folly.
Eamonn Brennan, ESPN (Summer Shootaround, 2012)

Muddy Waters

Already answered:


If Justin Martin doesn't start for Xavier, it means that he is even worse than I suspected, as he is the only remaining SF on Chris Mack's roster.

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Muskeagle

We DO measure it...every year, about 3 times a year. And it seems that EVERY year (in spite of how the program has been "run into the ground") we measure better. We'll see this year. Maybe it won't work out in our favor. Maybe it is the beginning of the end. Maybe the apocalypse is upon us. Maybe monkeys will fly out of my a$$ and UD will have the better year. Thing is, it is done on the court, not in these chat rooms. I don't mind opinions. It's just the same opinion trotted out day after day, with a litany of "proof"--which has thus far proved baseless (that X recruits are no good, that the program is dead, that the new guys aren't going to be good...blah, blah blah), just gets tiresome. WE all get that Muddy (and you and Squid) HATE X. You've stated your points OVER and OVER and OVER again. Can we just move on to new business?

Bona84

Exactly. Why respond? The rational posters on this board know of and respect the quality of the Xavier program. There is no need to legitimize the drivel by responding. Go X! Go A-10!

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MudFlap

Justin Martin transfer? He went to prep school and still sat out a year. He'd be going for a PHD after 6 yrs.

xavierhoops

That's the question of the century, and one to which you'll never get an answer from any UD poster. With the way most UD fans on here talk about Xavier and Dayton, a reasonable person would conclude that it in fact has been UD that has absolutely dominated Xavier over the past 30 years.

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Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

SquidLegs

This year really exemplifies the cost of recruiting the gangsters. You can get left high and dry when they get the gangster rage on and the university or basketball program decides that it can't continue to tolerate it. Once a school gets that notoriety, the administrators hands are almost forced by public perception to be more aggessive in cleaning up the messes. This reminds me of the downward spiral that was UC basketball under Huggins. Most disturbing is how some of the X fans want to can the president of the university over these hits to the basketball program. There are some very unhealthy forces within the fanbase who want the administration to bow to the interests of the basketball team. It's perverse, but fans like Muskeagle will continue to turn away from the reality until it's too late.

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The two homer reasons that Xavier fans are delusional in their evaluation of the Muskies: 1. Byron Larkin 2. Brian Snow

Xaviers Shame:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpS7PSYWcM

a10nick

You have every right to be pissed and I apologize!

It's ironic that I made a similar plea a while back while the "Five-umverate" from Dayton were on my "Ignore List." Somehow, the Muddy one made his way off that list. Since then, I have read his inane postings and have responded to a couple of the more egrecious ones since they made my blood pressure rise to the point that it clouded my composure and I couldn't help myself.

I have placed him back on my ignore list and will try to do better in the future.

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I just want the team I support to be in a stronger conference. I'd prefer it to be a stronger A-10! To me that would mean every member would have at least 2 trips to the NCAA Tourney and 5 winning seasons during each 10-year cycle. It would also be great for every program to seriously challenge for a league title (either regular season or Tourney) at least once during that same period of time.

Bona84

No worries nick. Not pissed.

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SquidLegs

Nobody here is upset with you Nick. You have every right to manage your posting here as you see fit. Go in peace.

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The two homer reasons that Xavier fans are delusional in their evaluation of the Muskies: 1. Byron Larkin 2. Brian Snow

Xaviers Shame:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpS7PSYWcM