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Old 08-31-2012, 04:41 AM   #136 (permalink)
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Muddy makes some really good points about how sucky Xavier is and has been the last number of years. Mack stinks, too...I read it right here. Now why in f#@k's sake hasn't UD been able to beat this disaster of a team?

Also, reading Muddy posts is like listening to the guy telling you that his c$%k is bigger than yours...but then refusing to whip it out and measure it to just answer the damn question. All the posts "proving" UD is better, but no look at reality and records. Whip it out and measure, Muddy. We'll see in March whose is bigger. Until then, just shut up, Muddy.
X fans keep making good points about how their team really isn't made up of gangsters who were shunned by other programs. But why do their gangsters keep getting suspended and kicked off the team for gangster activities while the national media rips them a new a$$? Look at reality. Whip it out and measure Dez and Muskeagle. Until then, just shut up.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:04 AM   #137 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

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Chris Mack's HS Recruits:
(1) 2009: Jeff Robinson ==> senior at Xavier.

(2) 2010: Jay Canty ==> transferred to Appalachian State after his freshman year.
(3) 2010: Joran Latham ==> transferred to Loyola - Maryland after his freshman year.
(4) 2010: Griffin McKenzie ==> transferred to Denver after his sophomore year.

(5) 2010: Justin Martin ==> academically ineligible his freshman year; RS sophomore at Xavier.

(6) 2011: Dezmine Wells ==> expelled from Xavier after his freshman year.
(7) 2011: Darwin Davis ==> sophomore at Xavier.

(8) 2012: Semaj Christon ==> freshman at Xavier.
(9) 2012: Myles Davis ==> freshman at Xavier.
(10) 2012: James Farr ==> freshman at Xavier.
(11) 2012: Jalen Reynolds ==> freshman at Xavier.

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Athlete Movement in Division I Basketball Raising 'Alarm' (USA Today - June 24, 2012)

NCAA president Mark Emmert said: "40% of men's basketball student-athletes aren't at their original school by the end of their sophomore year because they've transferred, they've dropped out, they've moved on."
57% (4 of 7) of Chris Mack's HS recruits aren't at Xavier by the end of their sophomore year because they've transferred, they've dropped out, they've moved on.

Muddy's Observations:

(1) Justin Martin and Dee Davis are only starting their sophomore year of eligibility.

(2) If one of them transfers from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 71% (5 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(3) If both of them transfer from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 86% (6 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(4) In addition to the four high school recruits who were either asked or told to leave Xavier, Chris Mack has already had decommitments from two high-profile, nationally-ranked prospects:

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PG # 3 D'Vauntes Smith Rivera . . . C # 4 Michael Chandler


PG # 3 D'Vauntes Smith Rivera and C # 4 Michael Chandler were the last two high school players to commit to Chris Mack, and they were the two highest-ranked prospects ever to commit to Xavier.

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D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera Commitments To Xavier (Rick Broering, Musketeerscoop - October 23, 2010)


D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera Pulls Back His Commitment (Rick Broering, Musketeerscoop - December 26, 2010)

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Xavier Scores Top 50 Prospect Michael Chandler (Jerry Meyers, Rivals.com - October 24, 2010)


Michael Chandler's Not Headed to Xavier, will UConn Get Him? (NBC Sports - November 11, 2010))
One of the most interesting plot lines from a relatively boring early signing period is the saga of Michael Chandler.

Originally a Louisville commit, Chandler — a borderline top 25 recruit who may not even be able to get eligible — gave his pledge to Xavier just three weeks ago.

But Brian Snow of Scout.com broke the news in his signing day blog that Chandler, a 6’10″ center, was reopening his recruitment and that UConn was the leader.

For Xavier, it is just another setback for a program that hasn’t been able to catch a break these last few weeks.

UCF Marquee Signee Michael Chandler Fails to Qualify (Orlando Sentinal - August, 29 2011)
Indianapolis center Michael Chandler, a four-star prospect did not qualify academically and is headed to prep school.

Chandler (6-10, 220) is an elite four-star prospect who was ranked the No. 47 senior in the country by Rivals.com.

He previously committed to Xavier and Louisville before picking UCF.
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Muddy's Observations:

(1) Justin Martin and Dee Davis are only starting their sophomore year of eligibility.

(2) If one of them transfers from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 71% (5 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(3) If both of them transfer from Xavier at the end of the 2012-13 season, Chris Mack will have lost 86% (6 of 7) of his high school recruits by the end of their sophomore year at Xavier.

(4) In addition to the four high school recruits who were either asked or told to leave Xavier, Chris Mack has already had decommitments from two high-profile, nationally-ranked prospects:
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(1) The fact that Justin and Dee are only sophomores is a very good thing in the minds of Xavier fans.

(2) Each will probably be starters from day one this season, thus giving them the opportunity for huge amounts of playing time. If either were to transfer following the 2012-13 season, that would likely mean that he failed to take advantage of his golden opportunity.

(3) See #2, above. Plus, one might also opine that either or both (Dee and Justin) could blossom into great players who lead the Muskies to multiple trips and significant "noise" to the NCAA Tourney.

(4) Obvious jealousy, Muddy! Wouldn't you love for your Flyers to (at least) get a commitment from as high-profile and nationally-ranked prospects as Xavier has in the not-too-distant past? Which program, yours or Xavier's, has frequently been ranked in the Top 25 among in-coming classes? (Rhetorical question!!!)

Feel free to burn this site's band width with your drivel from now until the cows come in. But it seemingly doesn't affect one little bit the constantly proven fact that Xavier has elevated itself above UD's stature among D-1 college programs.

Deal with it!!!
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

I think Xavier could have a long year if Dee Davis is required to do big things. Their hopes lie in the guys we haven't seen yet, in my opinion.
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

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(1) The fact that Justin and Dee are only sophomores is a very good thing in the minds of Xavier fans.

(2) Each will probably be starters from day one this season, thus giving them the opportunity for huge amounts of playing time. If either were to transfer following the 2012-13 season, that would likely mean that he failed to take advantage of his golden opportunity.

(3) See #2, above. Plus, one might also opine that either or both (Dee and Justin) could blossom into great players who lead the Muskies to multiple trips and significant "noise" to the NCAA Tourney.

(4) Obvious jealousy, Muddy! Wouldn't you love for your Flyers to (at least) get a commitment from as high-profile and nationally-ranked prospects as Xavier has in the not-too-distant past? Which program, yours or Xavier's, has frequently been ranked in the Top 25 among in-coming classes? (Rhetorical question!!!)

Feel free to burn this site's band width with your drivel from now until the cows come in. But it seemingly doesn't affect one little bit the constantly proven fact that Xavier has elevated itself above UD's stature among D-1 college programs.

Deal with it!!!
By both quoting and responding to Muddy's "drivel", you are compounding the buring of band width problem. Please don't respond to Muddy and his alter egos. Or if you must, please don't quote them.
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

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The fact that Justin and Dee are only sophomores is a very good thing in the minds of Xavier fans.

(2) Each will probably be starters from day one this season . . .
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Muddy’s Observations:

(4) If Christon is not better than Davis, the Muskies are in big trouble.
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In short, Justin Martin was essentially useless against Atlantic 10 competition, which exacerbates this obvious problem:


Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)
C: Jeff Robinson, Jalen Reynolds, and James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Justin Martin.

SG: Brad Redford, Myles Davis.

PG: Semaj Chrison, Dee Davis.

If Justin Martin doesn't start for Xavier, it means that he is even worse than I suspected, as he is the only remaining SF on Chris Mack's roster.

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X fans keep making good points about how their team really isn't made up of gangsters who were shunned by other programs. But why do their gangsters keep getting suspended and kicked off the team for gangster activities while the national media rips them a new a$$? Look at reality. Whip it out and measure Dez and Muskeagle. Until then, just shut up.


We DO measure it...every year, about 3 times a year. And it seems that EVERY year (in spite of how the program has been "run into the ground") we measure better. We'll see this year. Maybe it won't work out in our favor. Maybe it is the beginning of the end. Maybe the apocalypse is upon us. Maybe monkeys will fly out of my a$$ and UD will have the better year. Thing is, it is done on the court, not in these chat rooms. I don't mind opinions. It's just the same opinion trotted out day after day, with a litany of "proof"--which has thus far proved baseless (that X recruits are no good, that the program is dead, that the new guys aren't going to be good...blah, blah blah), just gets tiresome. WE all get that Muddy (and you and Squid) HATE X. You've stated your points OVER and OVER and OVER again. Can we just move on to new business?
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Exactly. Why respond? The rational posters on this board know of and respect the quality of the Xavier program. There is no need to legitimize the drivel by responding. Go X! Go A-10!
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Justin Martin transfer? He went to prep school and still sat out a year. He'd be going for a PHD after 6 yrs.
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Now why in f#@k's sake hasn't UD been able to beat this disaster of a team?
That's the question of the century, and one to which you'll never get an answer from any UD poster. With the way most UD fans on here talk about Xavier and Dayton, a reasonable person would conclude that it in fact has been UD that has absolutely dominated Xavier over the past 30 years.
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X fans keep making good points about how their team really isn't made up of gangsters who were shunned by other programs. But why do their gangsters keep getting suspended and kicked off the team for gangster activities while the national media rips them a new a$$? Look at reality. Whip it out and measure Dez and Muskeagle. Until then, just shut up.
This year really exemplifies the cost of recruiting the gangsters. You can get left high and dry when they get the gangster rage on and the university or basketball program decides that it can't continue to tolerate it. Once a school gets that notoriety, the administrators hands are almost forced by public perception to be more aggessive in cleaning up the messes. This reminds me of the downward spiral that was UC basketball under Huggins. Most disturbing is how some of the X fans want to can the president of the university over these hits to the basketball program. There are some very unhealthy forces within the fanbase who want the administration to bow to the interests of the basketball team. It's perverse, but fans like Muskeagle will continue to turn away from the reality until it's too late.
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Exactly. Why respond? The rational posters on this board know of and respect the quality of the Xavier program. There is no need to legitimize the drivel by responding. Go X! Go A-10!
You have every right to be pissed and I apologize!

It's ironic that I made a similar plea a while back while the "Five-umverate" from Dayton were on my "Ignore List." Somehow, the Muddy one made his way off that list. Since then, I have read his inane postings and have responded to a couple of the more egrecious ones since they made my blood pressure rise to the point that it clouded my composure and I couldn't help myself.

I have placed him back on my ignore list and will try to do better in the future.
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You have every right to be pissed and I apologize!

It's ironic that I made a similar plea a while back while the "Five-umverate" from Dayton were on my "Ignore List." Somehow, the Muddy one made his way off that list. Since then, I have read his inane postings and have responded to a couple of the more egrecious ones since they made my blood pressure rise to the point that it clouded my composure and I couldn't help myself.

I have placed him back on my ignore list and will try to do better in the future.
No worries nick. Not pissed.
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Nobody here is upset with you Nick. You have every right to manage your posting here as you see fit. Go in peace.
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