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Muddy Waters · 07-28-2012, 07:03 AM

Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Roster . . . Xavier Musketeers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!)

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                                                       2011-12    
     Player            Cl. Position       Ht.   Wt.    PPG  RPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard          6-1   182    3.2  0.7
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward        6-10  225    3.6  2.9
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward        6-8   220    4.5  3.7

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward        6-8   230    ---  ---

 5.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard          6-0   160    1.9  0.6
 6.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward        6-6   205    2.9  2.5
 7.  Wells, Dezmine    SO  Guard/Forward  6-5   215    9.8  4.9

 8.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard          6-3   182    ---  ---
 9.  Davis, Myles      FR  Guard          6-2   200    ---  --- 
10.  Farr, James       FR  Forward        6-9   222    ---  ---
11.  Reynolds, Jalen   FR  Forward        6-9   220    ---  ---

I’m have a bit of difficulty figuring out Xavier’s Depth Chart for the 2012-13 season.

For the sake of discussion, perhaps some of you Musketeers might post your own thoughts about this.

Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Jeff Robinson, Jalen Reynolds, and James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Justin Martin, Dezmine Wells, and Travis Taylor.

SG: Dezmine Wells, Brad Redford, and Myles Davis.

PG: Semaj Chrison, Dee Davis.

Muddy’s Observations:

(1) Idealy, Wells would start at SF because of his great athleticism and proven ability to rebound (which Xavier really needs up front), but that would leave Redford as the starting SG, and I think that a starting line-up with Martin and Wells is stronger than a starting line-up with Wells and Redford.

(2) I expect that Wells will play both wing positions in most games and lead the Musketeers in minutes played and scoring.

(3) From what I have read about Philmore, he appears to have the edge over Taylor.

(4) If Christon is not better than Davis, the Muskies are in big trouble.

(5) Based on Farr’s performances at Maine Central Institute (low scorer; stats unknown) and in the Deveroes League (about 6 ppg), I don’t see him getting much court time this season other than mop-up minutes, unless another Xavier big man is injured (which hopefully will not happen).

(6) Dez Wells certainly has All Atlantic 10 Team potential, but it hard to see where the scoring and rebounding against better opponents will come from after the departures of Tu Holloway, Mark Lyons, Kenny Frease, and Andre Walker.

(7) On paper, this season’s team looks thinner than any Musketeers’ Roster in recent memory.

SquidLegs · 07-28-2012, 08:47 AM

Jeff Robinson blows. No way do I see him as a starter.

Muddy Waters · 07-28-2012, 08:59 AM

Yeah, but Jalen Reynolds spent last season on the bench at Brewster Academy, so he didn't get much game experience during his year at prep school in Hew Hampshire.

Consequently, I was forced to picked ol' Splinters as Xavier's starting center this season.

Also, Robinson and Reynolds are a lot better than Farr.

X Factor · 07-28-2012, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Yeah, but Jalen Reynolds spent last season on the bench at Brewster Academy, so he didn't get much game experience during his year at prep school in Hew Hampshire.

Consequently, I was forced to picked ol' Splinters as Xavier's starting center this season.

Also, Robinson and Reynolds are a lot better than Farr.

Quit spewing your BS. You have NO idea what you are talking about.

MudFlap · 07-28-2012, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters;6920485(5) Based on Farr’s performances at Maine Central Institute (low scorer; stats unknown) and in the Deveroes League (about 6 ppg), I don’t see him getting much court time this season other than mop-up minutes, unless another Xavier big man is injured (which hopefully will not happen).
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Why do you morons always badmouth the Summer League and then quote stats from it? Farr did fine in the Summer League doing exactly what we want from him - REBOUNDS- about 15-16 a game sometimes. Oh, you forgot to mention that? I look for Semaj to be named the MVP or close to it. It was fun, play time for the the X guys. Dez just toyed with people knowing nobody could stop him, even with just getting back to work after the foot injury in the, you know, Sweet 16. Oh, take back that last part. You don't know.

AdamtheFlyer · 07-28-2012, 09:44 PM

I wouldn't be shocked if Xavier went with something like this...

PG - Christon, Davis
SG - Wells, Redford, M. Davis
SF - Philmore, Martin
PF - Taylor, Philmore, Reynolds, Farr
C - Robinson, Reynolds, Farr

...at least to start the year. They will be playing a ridiculous schedule, and I think experience will trump all out of the gate. Martin and Reynolds may play their way into the starting lineup down the line, but we'll see.

Dez Wells is a shooting guard, and for Xavier to be at their best he will have to play shooting guard. The only other options are Martin (spotty to date, to be polite), Redford (can't play 25-30 a night), or the freshman Davis.

I think Xavier ends up being a lot like the UD teams we've see the last few years. A starting 5 that can hang with anyone in the country, but a bench that is hard to count on night in and night out. They'll have games where it all clicks, but depth will be an issue.

I think Philmore is the most important player on their roster heading into the season. He must not have the same "step up a level and see the game shrink" year that Travis Taylor had. He needs a Kevin Dillard first year back. If not, Xavier may only have one reliable, consistent scorer, and it makes Christon the #2 key for opponents. You look at last year and Wells was the #4 key for opponents. There are but a handful of freshman capable of being the #1 or #2 option on a team at this level or above on a yearly basis, and 3 of them will always play for Kentucky. Those aren't good odds.

X Factor · 07-29-2012, 12:56 AM

Semaj could play anywhere in the country.

He was a 5* by Scout, #2 or 3 PG in the class. Same with Rivals, although not quite 5*.

From all reports, he could be the most talented freshman Xavier has ever had.

Xavier is going to be better than people think. Don't sleep on Dee Davis either. He's had a spectacular summer as far as workouts.

Xavier's young bigs will contribute. Jalen Reynolds will be a high energy guy as a freshman who will rebound, block shots and dunk on people. Farr is going to help out on the boards. He was measured at 6'10" and 240 lbs. He looks it too from what I have seen of him this summer.

The guys that have to play well will be Robinson, Philmore and Taylor though.

On a side note, I saw video of Stainbrook in the summer league and boy has he lost a lot weight. He was moving really well and has a great feel for the game. He is down to 270lbs and didn't look too much bigger than Kavanaugh weight wise.

This quote was taken from a UC poster on BearcatNews, not a Xavier fan.

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Other notes: incoming X guys look really good. Lots of nimble size between Farr and Reynolds, lots of athleticism from Semaj Christon, and Myles Davis canned a couple of NBA threes with ease. And Dez Wells looks fantastic. Future X player Matt Stainbrook (sitting out this year) has lost a ton of weight and flashed great offensive post game (and hands) in outplaying his X teammates Farr and Reynolds. I suspect UC fans will hate this guy, but end up begrudgingly respecting him. He played really hard, kept his mouth shut, and was absolutely the difference in the game. Wouldn't surprise me to see Mack start an all-freshman backcourt this year (Christon and Myles Davis). This year's Crosstown Bowdown or whatever may feature the most raw athleticism we've ever seen in the game.

Muddy Waters · 07-29-2012, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider

I wouldn't be shocked if Xavier went with something like this...

PG - Christon, Davis
SG - Wells, Redford, M. Davis
SF - Philmore, Martin
PF - Taylor, Philmore, Reynolds, Farr
C - Robinson, Reynolds, Farr

...at least to start the year.

Neither would I, but I didn't choose this because it doesn't have a single 3-point threat in the starting line-up.

Opponents would just pack in the middle, close the driving and passing lanes, and force Xavier to take long jump shots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider

I think Philmore is the most important player on their roster heading into the season.

He must not have the same "step up a level and see the game shrink" year that Travis Taylor had.

When a player transfers from a "lower" conference to a "higher" conference (such as the Atlantic 10), his stats usually take a nosedive as he faces higher-quality defenders. To wit:

6'-8", 220-lb. Travis Taylor Career Stats . . . 6'-8", 230-lb. Isaiah Philmore Career Stats

Code:


Player            Year      Team      (W-L)   CL   POS  FG %   RPG    PPG 

Travis Taylor    2008-09   Monmouth   (8-23)  FR   PF   54.2   5.8   12.4

Travis Taylor    2009-10   Monmouth  (12-19)  SO   PF   54.2   7.6   17.8

Travis Taylor    2011-12   Xavier    (23-13)  JR   PF   44.9   3.7    4.5

Travis Taylor    2012-13   Xavier             SR 


Isaiah Philmore  2009-10   Towson    (10-21)  FR   PF   48.4   3.9    6.4

Isaiah Philmore  2010-11   Towson     (4-26)  SO   PF   49.1   7.0   15.3

Isaiah Philmore  2012-13   Xavier             JR

6'-8", 220-lb. Travis Taylor Game Log . . . 6'-8", 230-lb. Isaiah Philmore Game Log

. . . but as you astutely pointed out:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider

The only other options are Justin Martin (spotty to date, to be polite) . . .

Coach Mack may decide to go with both Travis Taylor and Isaiah Philmore.

Given that Jeff Robinson's natural position is PF, and Dez Wells' natural position is SF, Mack would essentially be starting three Power Forwards, a drive-to-the-hoop Small Forward, and a drive-to-the-hoop freshman Point Guard.

That is certainly an interesting concept, but no head coach in his right mind would do so unless he had no other choice.

stophorseabuse · 07-29-2012, 06:22 AM

Dez Wells 38% from 3

Philmore. 36% from 3

Semaj, should at least be close to TU's 34%

Bench

Redford, commonly regarded on of nations best shooters

M. Davis, considered on of co 2012's premier shooters

J. Martin, 3 point threat

Im not too worried, but I'm sure this will be the 'downfall' of Xavier.

Just like every year X has fallen apart since the graduation of David West ( which that teams depth was it great downfall).

A10fan2 · 07-29-2012, 06:47 AM

I'm not worried at all about X offensively. It's the defense that's gonna need to step up. Reynolds and Farr are gonna be hacking machines early.

Muddy Waters · 07-29-2012, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stophorseabuse

Dez Wells 38% from 3 ==> 1.7 attempts per game; 0.6 made per game

Philmore. 36% from 3 ==> 1.7 attempts per game; 0.6 made per game

Semaj, should at least be close to TU's 34% ==> Pure unsubstantiated speculation !

Bench

Redford, commonly regarded on of nations best shooters ==> 34.1 %

M. Davis, considered on of co 2012's premier shooters ==> By who ?

J. Martin, 3 point threat ==> 31.7 % (1.3 attempts per game; 0.4 made per game)

A player has to attempt at least 3.5 three-point shots per game in order to be considered a legitimate 'threat'.

Last season, Mark Lyons attempted 4.4 treys per game and Tu Holloway attempted 3.8 treys per game, and were Xavier's only legitimate 3-point threats. Redford and Martin didn't play enough to count as legitimate 3-point 'threats' last season.

Three-point attempts per game for the 2011-12 Dayton Flyers:

Chris Johnson: 5.4
Josh Parker: 4.6
Paul Williams: 4.3
Kevin Dillard: 3.6
Luke Fabrizius: 3.5

INDIVIDUAL BASKETBALL STATISTICS (Atlantic 10 Conference Official Stats)

3-POINT FIELD GOALS MADE

Code:


RK  Player               UNI  CL  GP 3FG AVG/G
 
 1. GALLOWAY, Langston - SJU  SO  34  90  2.6 
 2. GALLOWAY, Ramon    - LAS  JR  31  68  2.2 
 3. JOHNSON, Chris     - UD   SR  32  69  2.2 
 4. ANTHONY, Kendall   - UR   FR  32  68  2.1 
 4. BROTHERS, Darien   - UR   JR  32  68  2.1 
 6. FERNANDEZ,Juan     - TU   SR  32  66  2.1 
 7. ELLIS, Cody        - SLU  JR  34  69  2.0 
 8. MILLS, Sam         - LAS  SO  33  65  2.0 
 9. BARNETT, Javarris  - CHA  SR  30  59  2.0 
10. MITCHELL, Kwamain  - SLU  JR  34  65  1.9

Xavier 2011-12 Individual Stats, Sorted by 3-Point Field Goals Made Per Game (Yahoo!)

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In any event, congratulations to the Deer Park Musketeers on their Deveroes League Championship!

In a 36-minute Championship game featuring no defense and no made 3-points attempts by any Xavier players, Deer Park defeated Mansoor 101 to 98 in a meaningless game yesterday afternoon which featured one uncontested layup after another.

Deer Park Musketeers 101, Mansoor Musketeer 98 (Deveroes Box Score - Saturday, July 28, 2012)

Deer Park Musketeers 101

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Player            FG    3-PT    FT   REB  ASST  TO  POINTS

Semaj Christon   11-15   0-0   9-11   2     2    3    31 
Dez Wells         3-7    0-2   4-6   10     1    2    10 
Jalen Reynolds    7-11   0-0   0-0    5     0    1    14 
Myles Davis       3-9    0-3   0-0    1     4    1     6 
James Farr        6-12   0-1   2-4   12     1    1    14

Mansoor Musketeer 98

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Player            FG   3-PT    FT   REB  ASST  TO  POINTS

Isaiah Philmore  7-10   0-0   4-8    8    1     1    18

A10fan2 · 07-29-2012, 07:42 AM

Can't believe Muddy actually went to the Deveroes game yesterday. I'm sorry I missed him. That was the only game I went to all summer. It was quite entertaining and my kids loved it. Muddy, of course, lies again about Deer Park not making any 3's but that's his "schtick" I guess. He also lied about the "uncontested" layups but this board already knows he is a proven LIAR.

Back to the game for a minute. IF Semaj can learn the plays and defend, which I see no reason he can't, this kid is going to be special. He is lighting quick and can get anywhere on the court he wants to go. Had some nice floaters in the lane that I haven't seen since Lavender and also some impressive dunks. Toward the end of the game the other team was doubling him as soon as he crossed mid-court and they still couldn't stop him. Reynolds and Farr are both very raw but their athleticism was surprising and Farr showed good range. Myles Davis didn't show me much but I guess that's because his shot was short all day. Wells was his typical self and grabbed some big rebounds in traffic and Philmore is going to push Taylor and Robinson for minutes. All in all, it was a great way to waste a lazy Saturday afternoon with the kids. Next year may have some growing pains but this team is loaded with talent.

paulxu · 07-29-2012, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

A player has to attempt at least 3.5 three-point shots per game in order to be considered a legitimate 'threat'.

Last season, Mark Lyons attempted 4.4 treys per game and Tu Holloway attempted 3.8 treys per game, and were Xavier's only legitimate 3-point threats. Redford and Martin didn't play enough to count as legitimate 3-point 'threats' last season.

Three-point attempts per game for the 2011-12 Dayton Flyers:

Chris Johnson: 5.4
Josh Parker: 4.6
Paul Williams: 4.3
Kevin Dillard: 3.6
Luke Fabrizius: 3.5

Last Season Xavier Musketeers = NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4th S16 in 5 years)

Last Season Dayton Flyers = NIT Appearance (4th in 5 years)

I'm not sure we need to be concerned at this point about the legitmacy of our 3-point threats.

stophorseabuse · 07-29-2012, 08:50 AM

Your shooting prowess depends on how many times you shoot?

Grandma!, bring the Kool aide down here!!!

stophorseabuse · 07-29-2012, 08:51 AM

Ardrolis Chapman is not a legit strikeout pitcher. He has only thrown 49 IP.

07-28-2012, 07:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,291 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Roster . . . Xavier Musketeers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!) Code: 2011-12 Player Cl. Position Ht. Wt. PPG RPG 1. Redford, Brad SR Guard 6-1 182 3.2 0.7 2. Robinson, Jeff SR Forward 6-10 225 3.6 2.9 3. Taylor, Travis SR Forward 6-8 220 4.5 3.7 4. Philmore, Isaiah JR Forward 6-8 230 --- --- 5. Davis, Dee SO Guard 6-0 160 1.9 0.6 6. Martin, Justin SO Forward 6-6 205 2.9 2.5 7. Wells, Dezmine SO Guard/Forward 6-5 215 9.8 4.9 8. Christon, Semaj FR Guard 6-3 182 --- --- 9. Davis, Myles FR Guard 6-2 200 --- --- 10. Farr, James FR Forward 6-9 222 --- --- 11. Reynolds, Jalen FR Forward 6-9 220 --- --- I’m have a bit of difficulty figuring out Xavier’s Depth Chart for the 2012-13 season. For the sake of discussion, perhaps some of you Musketeers might post your own thoughts about this. Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.) C: Jeff Robinson, Jalen Reynolds, and James Farr. PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr. SF: Justin Martin, Dezmine Wells, and Travis Taylor. SG: Dezmine Wells, Brad Redford, and Myles Davis. PG: Semaj Chrison, Dee Davis. Muddy’s Observations: (1) Idealy, Wells would start at SF because of his great athleticism and proven ability to rebound (which Xavier really needs up front), but that would leave Redford as the starting SG, and I think that a starting line-up with Martin and Wells is stronger than a starting line-up with Wells and Redford. (2) I expect that Wells will play both wing positions in most games and lead the Musketeers in minutes played and scoring. (3) From what I have read about Philmore, he appears to have the edge over Taylor. (4) If Christon is not better than Davis, the Muskies are in big trouble. (5) Based on Farr’s performances at Maine Central Institute (low scorer; stats unknown) and in the Deveroes League (about 6 ppg), I don’t see him getting much court time this season other than mop-up minutes, unless another Xavier big man is injured (which hopefully will not happen). (6) Dez Wells certainly has All Atlantic 10 Team potential, but it hard to see where the scoring and rebounding against better opponents will come from after the departures of Tu Holloway, Mark Lyons, Kenny Frease, and Andre Walker. (7) On paper, this season’s team looks thinner than any Musketeers’ Roster in recent memory. __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 07-28-2012 at 08:06 AM. Reason: typos corrected.

07-28-2012, 08:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
SquidLegs Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 776 Rep Power: 214721	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Jeff Robinson blows. No way do I see him as a starter. __________________ The two homer reasons that Xavier fans are delusional in their evaluation of the Muskies: 1. Byron Larkin 2. Brian Snow Xaviers Shame:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpS7PSYWcM

07-28-2012, 08:59 AM	#18 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,291 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Yeah, but Jalen Reynolds spent last season on the bench at Brewster Academy, so he didn't get much game experience during his year at prep school in Hew Hampshire. Consequently, I was forced to picked ol' Splinters as Xavier's starting center this season. Also, Robinson and Reynolds are a lot better than Farr. __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier

07-28-2012, 09:44 PM	#21 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I wouldn't be shocked if Xavier went with something like this... PG - Christon, Davis SG - Wells, Redford, M. Davis SF - Philmore, Martin PF - Taylor, Philmore, Reynolds, Farr C - Robinson, Reynolds, Farr ...at least to start the year. They will be playing a ridiculous schedule, and I think experience will trump all out of the gate. Martin and Reynolds may play their way into the starting lineup down the line, but we'll see. Dez Wells is a shooting guard, and for Xavier to be at their best he will have to play shooting guard. The only other options are Martin (spotty to date, to be polite), Redford (can't play 25-30 a night), or the freshman Davis. I think Xavier ends up being a lot like the UD teams we've see the last few years. A starting 5 that can hang with anyone in the country, but a bench that is hard to count on night in and night out. They'll have games where it all clicks, but depth will be an issue. I think Philmore is the most important player on their roster heading into the season. He must not have the same "step up a level and see the game shrink" year that Travis Taylor had. He needs a Kevin Dillard first year back. If not, Xavier may only have one reliable, consistent scorer, and it makes Christon the #2 key for opponents. You look at last year and Wells was the #4 key for opponents. There are but a handful of freshman capable of being the #1 or #2 option on a team at this level or above on a yearly basis, and 3 of them will always play for Kentucky. Those aren't good odds. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

07-29-2012, 06:22 AM	#24 (permalink)
stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Dez Wells 38% from 3 Philmore. 36% from 3 Semaj, should at least be close to TU's 34% Bench Redford, commonly regarded on of nations best shooters M. Davis, considered on of co 2012's premier shooters J. Martin, 3 point threat Im not too worried, but I'm sure this will be the 'downfall' of Xavier. Just like every year X has fallen apart since the graduation of David West ( which that teams depth was it great downfall).

07-29-2012, 08:50 AM	#29 (permalink)
stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Your shooting prowess depends on how many times you shoot? Grandma!, bring the Kool aide down here!!!

07-29-2012, 08:51 AM	#30 (permalink)
stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Ardrolis Chapman is not a legit strikeout pitcher. He has only thrown 49 IP.

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