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bprichard · 09-18-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Muskeagle

Not sure if what it means....(probably not much since Jalen Reynolds is pictured as well), but James Farr tweeted a picture of Xavier players trying on their new uniforms, and Cantino is pictured wearing Dante's no. 25. He is at least "with" the team. He is still not listed on the roster, but he is on campus and trying on the gear. Maybe X can yet, get a single piece of good news this offseason.

Even as someone with very little sympathy for the Musketeers, I hope Xavier gets some good news on Cantino.

Muskeagle · 09-18-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bprichard

Even as someone with very little sympathy for the Musketeers, I hope Xavier gets some good news on Cantino.

thnx, bp, we can use all the good vibes we can get at the moment.

That said, I find myself strangely optimistic about the season and I can't wait until it starts. In some ways, I think it will be the most "fun" season/team we've had in 3-4 years. I'm hoping there is a return to the great X teams of old in terms of a more "team" oriented style. The last three seasons have been "successful" but very individually focused (crawford, holloway, holloway). The fun Xavier teams were always balanced, great passing teams. Teams that made the extra pass. Teams that had a different high scorer from game to game. Teams that would have found and open Brad Redford on fast breaks and actually passed it to him. We might not win as many (big understatement, i realize), but I think this will prove to be a very likeable team...and one that is better than people think it will be. 20 game winner? no. but not a 20 game loser either. I think a little above .500. 14-17 wins kind of range. And a LOT to be excited about for next year, too.

bprichard · 09-18-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Muskeagle

thnx, bp, we can use all the good vibes we can get at the moment.

That said, I find myself strangely optimistic about the season and I can't wait until it starts. In some ways, I think it will be the most "fun" season/team we've had in 3-4 years. I'm hoping there is a return to the great X teams of old in terms of a more "team" oriented style. The last three seasons have been "successful" but very individually focused (crawford, holloway, holloway). The fun Xavier teams were always balanced, great passing teams. Teams that made the extra pass. Teams that had a different high scorer from game to game. Teams that would have found and open Brad Redford on fast breaks and actually passed it to him. We might not win as many (big understatement, i realize), but I think this will prove to be a very likeable team...and one that is better than people think it will be. 20 game winner? no. but not a 20 game loser either. I think a little above .500. 14-17 wins kind of range. And a LOT to be excited about for next year, too.

It's definitely going to be an interesting year for X. Crawford and Holloway were clearly great players, and they were certainly guys you want on your team. But they're not the easiest guys to cheer for because of the style of play issues you noted. Adversity has a way of bringing teams together, and the guys you have left aren't going down without a fight. I think Philmore is going to have a much better season than he did last year. The team needs scoring, and he showed that he could score at Towson. He struggled last year, but he was playing in an offense with two guards who kept the ball in their hands for the majority of possessions.

xudash · 09-18-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by a10nick

Dash,

With the NCAA so despised because of its arbitrary and inefficient "policing" of its members, do you know of anybody discussing the possibility of further gutting the NCAA by doing something similar for basketball. In other words, what if the administrative wing of the soon-to-be entity comprised of the 4x16 bunch were to be approached by the Big East, ACC, CAA, A-10, Missouri Valley, Mountain West, West Coast Conference, and the like (or some combination of those Conferences' members) to ask permission to be governed by their body; share in none of the football talks, money, etc; but compete under their umbrella in all other sports (with the one proviso being that the other sports, especially basketball, baseball, volleyball, and perhaps hockey, compete for National Championships with the 64 FB members that comprise their core?

Perhaps there could be an interim period of adjustment when these non-BCS type Conferences with some members traditionally being extremely competitive in other sports (such as basketball, baseball, etc.) could join together and create their own versions of Super Bowls in those non-Football sports whereby their champion in BB, Volleyball, etc. would play the Big Football groups' champion in those sports. Over a period of time, if such a plan worked, they could possibly come together under one set of leadership.

I realize that there would be some substantial intrinsic problems involved, but if the football $'s were kept separate, such a plan might put so much pressure on the NCAA that it might actually come down from its ivory tower and clean up its act.

Nick, it most likely won't go in that direction. As was noted, the NCAA is comprised of member (university) institutions. The following is a quote that sums up its role well enough:

"The NCAA says its mission is to "govern competition in a fair, safe, equitable and sportsmanlike manner." It is a policing organization formed by member institutions as a way of ensuring that mutually agreed-upon rules are enforced. The NCAA derives its power from the member universities, not vice versa."

So, about 64 of those members have become so enriched by the development of college football and the television money and brand awareness that comes with it that they may want to form a new organization for football only. It won't be solely about these members having had enough with perceived inequities in handling violations. Recall the idea that the way to get around the conference realignment mess brought about be exit fee arrangements is to simply take your football program out of the conference and leave everything else alone. Who gets hurt if that happens? The ACC and only the ACC with respect to football, because the BE already is a dead man walking.

It actually gets better when it comes to the 4 x 16 model. I heard a scenario last night that involves the Big4 essentially terminating for football. They would reform into the 4 x 16 format. Naturally, whatever the SEC becomes would remain comprised of mostly SEC members, adding teams like FSU and Clemson. Whatever the Football B1G would become would do its thing, etc. Same basic television agreements reconstituted into these 4 new 2 x8 conferences. Otherwise, the Big4 as they exist today would continue to exist for all other sports. The ACC probably continues to exist as a basketball-driven conference that still may have football members that were otherwise left out (e.g. Wake, Miami in it current terrible (i.e. attendance, etc.) state. Overall, the NCAA would remain for basketball and everything else.

It's safe to say there are a lot of moving parts to all this, but it also is safe to assume that this process hasn't fully run its course yet.

UMass87 · 09-18-2012, 08:38 PM

The ACC isn't going to give up football. Simply will not happen. I believed the four by sixteen would happen until KU decided to keep the Big 12 alive. Now I'm not sure what the end game will be but it will include the ACC as a conference.

Flyer75 · 09-19-2012, 05:44 AM

Davis' dad has hired an attorney to fight the ruling. Not sure what this will accomplish for his son as court's take forever on these things. Also, the last paragraph is telling....it will be interesting to see what ultimately happens with Davis, Reynolds and X. Most of these kids didn't plan on taking out a 30k loan for school.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/09/19/f...aa/#more-79798

**FlyingElvis** · 09-19-2012, 08:59 AM

I have a hard time feeling bad for non-qualifiers, even under these circumstances. If you want to make sure you get your eligibility, make the grades in high school and the SAT. Once you go the prep-school route, it's on you to find one that has credible courses that can stand up to NCAA scrutiny and audits at any time. I imagine those are hard to find because of their very nature.

Schools know the risks with some of the more talented players who are also marginal students. That's why some back off and some roll the dice. If you gamble and lose, it's time to suck it up.

AdamtheFlyer · 09-19-2012, 09:25 AM

I don't think Davis can win his eligibility. What he can win is a waiver to be on scholarship. I don't know the case, but I'm sure it will be pretty cut and dry. Either there is precedent or not. Should be an easy court case one way or the other.

The key for the Davis side: You better be telling the absolute truth right now, because if you take the NCAA to court, they can present their case in public. Anything you are leaving out to the media will come out. And they have better lawyers than you.

A10fan2 · 09-19-2012, 10:38 AM

Xavier Youtube

Even Muddie won't be able to recognize Stainbrook. Totally remaking his body and it shows.

ace93 · 09-19-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

I have a hard time feeling bad for non-qualifiers, even under these circumstances. If you want to make sure you get your eligibility, make the grades in high school and the SAT. Once you go the prep-school route, it's on you to find one that has credible courses that can stand up to NCAA scrutiny and audits at any time. I imagine those are hard to find because of their very nature.

Schools know the risks with some of the more talented players who are also marginal students. That's why some back off and some roll the dice. If you gamble and lose, it's time to suck it up.

I don't know about others, but I honestly was not thinking about college when I started the 9th grade. I had every intention of going to college, but it was not thinking of how my grades then would affect me later. I played HS sports too and nobody talked to me then about how my grades could affect my college eligibility and this is despite going to a very good private HS that had/has a lot ad their athletes go on to play in college. Fortunately I was a good student.

I definitely feel for the kid who gets their act together late.

**a10nick** · 09-19-2012, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by A10fan2

Xavier Youtube

Even Muddie won't be able to recognize Stainbrook. Totally remaking his body and it shows.

It doesn't seem possible that Matt Stainbrook could have re-made himself to that extent in a mere six months. I'll be anxious to see what he'll look like 13 months from now with a full year under his belt in the Muskie program (and weight room).

Muddy Waters · 09-20-2012, 05:03 PM

Matt Stainbrook Drops Weight and Other Notes (Shannon Russell, Cincinnati Enquirer - September 20, 2012)

OUCH: Isaiah Philmore has had a couple minor procedures on his knee and missed a lot of the preseason. The good news is that he’s expected to be good to go in a week or two.

WALK-ON TRYOUTS: XU will hold the first in a series of walk-on tryouts tonight. Mack said he’ll take "as many as are capable enough" and will have "as many (tryouts) as we need to decide who will help our team."

WRITE IT DOWN: The first day of practice for is October 12th. Musketeer Madness is October 20th.

HOLDING PATTERN: Still no word on Chris Cantino. He’s enrolled at Xavier and would provide needed depth to the roster if he’s able to play. With the season quickly approaching, I hope to hear something soon.

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Updated September 20, 2012:

2012-13 Xavier Men's Basketball Roster (Xavier University) . . . 2011-12 Xavier Musketeers Stats (Yahoo!)

Active Scholarshipped Players (8):

Code:

                                                     2011-12 Stats:    
     Active Player     Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard      6-1   182    35  11.1  0.7  3.2
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward    6-10  225    36  13.6  2.9  3.6   
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward    6-8   220    36  14.7  3.7  4.5

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward    6-8   230    ---  ---  ---  --- 

 5.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard      6-0   160    36  11.1  0.6  1.9
 6.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward    6-6   205    31  11.8  2.5  2.9
 
 7.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard      6-3   182    ---  ---  ---  --- 
 8.  Farr, James       FR  Forward    6-9   222    ---  ---  ---  ---

Active Non-Scholarshipped Players (1):

Code:

                                                     2011-12 Stats:
   Walk-on Player      Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG
 
1. Stenger, Erik       JR  Forward    6-8   205    0   0.0   0.0  0.0

Players Who Are Not Eligible for the 2012-13 Season (3):

Code:

                                                     2011-12 Stats:    
   Ineligible Player  Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG

1. Stainbrook, Matt   JR  Center     6-9   275    33  26.9  6.8  11.4 * (Scholarshipped player) 
2. Davis, Myles       FR  Guard      6-2   200    --  ----  ---  ----   (Non-scholarshipped player) 
3. Reynolds, Jalen    FR  Forward    6-9   220    --  ----  ---  ----   (Non-scholarshipped player)

* At Western Michigan University

Unused Basketball Scholarships for the 2012-13 Season: (4).

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2012-13 Xavier Roster and Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Jeff Robinson, James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor.

SF: Justin Martin.

SG: Brad Redford.

PG: Semaj Christon, Dee Davis.

Flyer75 · 09-22-2012, 05:43 PM

In better news for X, Ron Patterson will be making an official visit next week I think. What's his situation as far as eligibility goes?

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A10fan2 · 09-22-2012, 06:10 PM

He was actually eligible this year but decided to go prep for a year.

Flyer75 · 09-22-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A10fan2

He was actually eligible this year but decided to go prep for a year.

OK I wasn't sure if he was gonna try and enroll for second half or just start next year.

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09-18-2012, 08:38 PM	#410 (permalink)
UMass87 Star Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,727 Rep Power: 226644	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers The ACC isn't going to give up football. Simply will not happen. I believed the four by sixteen would happen until KU decided to keep the Big 12 alive. Now I'm not sure what the end game will be but it will include the ACC as a conference.

09-19-2012, 05:44 AM	#411 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,836 Rep Power: 37278	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Davis' dad has hired an attorney to fight the ruling. Not sure what this will accomplish for his son as court's take forever on these things. Also, the last paragraph is telling....it will be interesting to see what ultimately happens with Davis, Reynolds and X. Most of these kids didn't plan on taking out a 30k loan for school. http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/09/19/f...aa/#more-79798

09-19-2012, 08:59 AM	#412 (permalink)
FlyingElvis Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Memphis - Dayton - Vegas Posts: 2,399 Rep Power: 149179	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I have a hard time feeling bad for non-qualifiers, even under these circumstances. If you want to make sure you get your eligibility, make the grades in high school and the SAT. Once you go the prep-school route, it's on you to find one that has credible courses that can stand up to NCAA scrutiny and audits at any time. I imagine those are hard to find because of their very nature. Schools know the risks with some of the more talented players who are also marginal students. That's why some back off and some roll the dice. If you gamble and lose, it's time to suck it up. __________________ "US Bank Arena can't be that bad" Last edited by FlyingElvis; 09-19-2012 at 09:06 AM.

09-19-2012, 09:25 AM	#413 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I don't think Davis can win his eligibility. What he can win is a waiver to be on scholarship. I don't know the case, but I'm sure it will be pretty cut and dry. Either there is precedent or not. Should be an easy court case one way or the other. The key for the Davis side: You better be telling the absolute truth right now, because if you take the NCAA to court, they can present their case in public. Anything you are leaving out to the media will come out. And they have better lawyers than you. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism. Last edited by AdamtheFlyer; 09-19-2012 at 09:33 AM.

09-20-2012, 05:03 PM	#417 (permalink)
Muddy Waters All-Star Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Westmont Illinois Cemetery Age: 98 Posts: 5,235 Rep Power: 64500	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Matt Stainbrook Drops Weight and Other Notes (Shannon Russell, Cincinnati Enquirer - September 20, 2012) OUCH: Isaiah Philmore has had a couple minor procedures on his knee and missed a lot of the preseason. The good news is that he’s expected to be good to go in a week or two. WALK-ON TRYOUTS: XU will hold the first in a series of walk-on tryouts tonight. Mack said he’ll take "as many as are capable enough" and will have "as many (tryouts) as we need to decide who will help our team." WRITE IT DOWN: The first day of practice for is October 12th. Musketeer Madness is October 20th. HOLDING PATTERN: Still no word on Chris Cantino. He’s enrolled at Xavier and would provide needed depth to the roster if he’s able to play. With the season quickly approaching, I hope to hear something soon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updated September 20, 2012: 2012-13 Xavier Men's Basketball Roster (Xavier University) . . . 2011-12 Xavier Musketeers Stats (Yahoo!) Active Scholarshipped Players (8): Code: 2011-12 Stats: Active Player Yr. Position Ht. Wt. G MPG RPG PPG 1. Redford, Brad SR Guard 6-1 182 35 11.1 0.7 3.2 2. Robinson, Jeff SR Forward 6-10 225 36 13.6 2.9 3.6 3. Taylor, Travis SR Forward 6-8 220 36 14.7 3.7 4.5 4. Philmore, Isaiah JR Forward 6-8 230 --- --- --- --- 5. Davis, Dee SO Guard 6-0 160 36 11.1 0.6 1.9 6. Martin, Justin SO Forward 6-6 205 31 11.8 2.5 2.9 7. Christon, Semaj FR Guard 6-3 182 --- --- --- --- 8. Farr, James FR Forward 6-9 222 --- --- --- --- Active Non-Scholarshipped Players (1): Code: 2011-12 Stats: Walk-on Player Yr. Position Ht. Wt. G MPG RPG PPG 1. Stenger, Erik JR Forward 6-8 205 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Players Who Are Not Eligible for the 2012-13 Season (3): Code: 2011-12 Stats: Ineligible Player Yr. Position Ht. Wt. G MPG RPG PPG 1. Stainbrook, Matt JR Center 6-9 275 33 26.9 6.8 11.4 * (Scholarshipped player) 2. Davis, Myles FR Guard 6-2 200 -- ---- --- ---- (Non-scholarshipped player) 3. Reynolds, Jalen FR Forward 6-9 220 -- ---- --- ---- (Non-scholarshipped player) * At Western Michigan University Unused Basketball Scholarships for the 2012-13 Season: (4). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2012-13 Xavier Roster and Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.) C: Jeff Robinson, James Farr. PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor. SF: Justin Martin. SG: Brad Redford. PG: Semaj Christon, Dee Davis. __________________ BIG EAST CONFERENCE IN 2014-15 Butler • Creighton • Dayton • DePaul • Georgetown • Marquette Providence • Seton Hall • St. John’s • Saint Louis • Villanova • Xavier Last edited by Muddy Waters; 09-20-2012 at 05:18 PM. Reason: Landen Amos and Greg Dougan removed as Walk-on Players.

09-22-2012, 05:43 PM	#418 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,836 Rep Power: 37278	In better news for X, Ron Patterson will be making an official visit next week I think. What's his situation as far as eligibility goes? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using VerticalSports.Com App

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