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Blue Blobster · 07-29-2012, 10:01 AM

Can't wait till season. A whole new team with an absurd amount of potential. Semaj looks otherworldly. Dez is going bull. Our front court will be diverse though most of them need to gain some muscle. Based on Pure talent, im not sure any other team can compare. But since they are young its going to be tough to compete with the established veteran teams like JOES, SLU, VCU Butler and probably UMASS to. Outside of them I think we will more then hold our own against. Elite talent and top coaching does that for you.

xavierhoops · 07-29-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Last Season Xavier Musketeers = NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4th S16 in 5 years)

Last Season Dayton Flyers = NIT Appearance (4th in 5 years)

I'm not sure we need to be concerned at this point about the legitmacy of our 3-point threats.

I love this. As Muddy would say, astute observations, paulxu. Astute observations, INDEED.

MudFlap · 07-29-2012, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Last Season Xavier Musketeers = NCAA Sweet Sixteen (4th S16 in 5 years)

Last Season Dayton Flyers = NIT Appearance (4th in 5 years ROUND 1 Loser)

Damn. People are always messing up Muddy's rants with facts.

Muddy Waters · 07-29-2012, 02:47 PM

BOGUS INFORMATION FROM XAVIER UNIVERSITY:

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Isaiah Philmore (Rivals.com Profile)

3-Star PF Isaiah Philmore

(Not Ranked by Rivals.com)

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Isaiah Philmore (Xavier University Official Profile)

Forward Isaiah Philmore

HIGH SCHOOL: Ranked No. 69 in his senior class by Rivals.com.

Bona84 · 07-29-2012, 03:52 PM

Well, I went away on vacation for a couple of weeks. Now that I'm back, I see that things are back to muddy normal.

njlsufan · 07-29-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bona84

Well, I went away on vacation for a couple of weeks. Now that I'm back, I see that things are back to muddy normal.

nm

spicebosh · 07-30-2012, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

I wouldn't be shocked if Xavier went with something like this...

PG - Christon, Davis
SG - Wells, Redford, M. Davis
SF - Philmore, Martin
PF - Taylor, Philmore, Reynolds, Farr
C - Robinson, Reynolds, Farr

...at least to start the year. They will be playing a ridiculous schedule, and I think experience will trump all out of the gate. Martin and Reynolds may play their way into the starting lineup down the line, but we'll see.

Dez Wells is a shooting guard, and for Xavier to be at their best he will have to play shooting guard. The only other options are Martin (spotty to date, to be polite), Redford (can't play 25-30 a night), or the freshman Davis.

I think Xavier ends up being a lot like the UD teams we've see the last few years. A starting 5 that can hang with anyone in the country, but a bench that is hard to count on night in and night out. They'll have games where it all clicks, but depth will be an issue.

I think Philmore is the most important player on their roster heading into the season. He must not have the same "step up a level and see the game shrink" year that Travis Taylor had. He needs a Kevin Dillard first year back. If not, Xavier may only have one reliable, consistent scorer, and it makes Christon the #2 key for opponents. You look at last year and Wells was the #4 key for opponents. There are but a handful of freshman capable of being the #1 or #2 option on a team at this level or above on a yearly basis, and 3 of them will always play for Kentucky. Those aren't good odds.

I wouldnt be surprised if X played
Davis-PG
Christon-PG
Wells-SF
Philmore-PF
Jrob-C

If Christon and Davis come out to be your 2 best options at guard they will play them both at the same time.

AdamtheFlyer · 07-30-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spicebosh

I wouldnt be surprised if X played
Davis-PG
Christon-PG
Wells-SF
Philmore-PF
Jrob-C

If Christon and Davis come out to be your 2 best options at guard they will play them both at the same time.

I don't think Dee Davis is the second best guard option. I like him filling a specific, defensive minded role, but not as a 30+ minute per game guy. To me the best option is Christon and Wells. It's just a matter of having enough at the 3/4 spots for it to be plausible.

As good as Wells is, and although I'm skeptical of the hype I think Christon will be good, the key for Xavier will be Philmore, Taylor, and Martin. If they don't produce, Xavier's rotation will be thrown into chaos.

spicebosh · 07-30-2012, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

I don't think Dee Davis is the second best guard option. I like him filling a specific, defensive minded role, but not as a 30+ minute per game guy. To me the best option is Christon and Wells. It's just a matter of having enough at the 3/4 spots for it to be plausible.

As good as Wells is, and although I'm skeptical of the hype I think Christon will be good, the key for Xavier will be Philmore, Taylor, and Martin. If they don't produce, Xavier's rotation will be thrown into chaos.

Disagree, going to be hard to keep Davis off the floor with a year of experience under his belt and with word that he might be having one of the better summers. The only person guranteed 30 plus mins at this point is Wells. I dont think the day 1 starting lineup will be the same throughout the year but I think you start your 3 best guards 1-3 and that would be Davis, Christon, Wells. Time will tell.

Blue Blobster · 07-30-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

When a player transfers from a "lower" conference to a "higher" conference (such as the Atlantic 10), his stats usually take a nosedive as he faces higher-quality defenders. To wit:

kinda like Dillard right? your best player.....

Muddy Waters · 07-31-2012, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

When a player transfers from a "lower" conference to a "higher" conference (such as the Atlantic 10), his stats usually take a nosedive as he faces higher-quality defenders. To wit:

6'-8", 220-lb. Travis Taylor Career Stats . . . 6'-8", 230-lb. Isaiah Philmore Career Stats

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Player            Year      Team      (W-L)   CL   POS  FG %   RPG    PPG 

Travis Taylor    2008-09   Monmouth   (8-23)  FR   PF   54.2   5.8   12.4

Travis Taylor    2009-10   Monmouth  (12-19)  SO   PF   54.2   7.6   17.8

Travis Taylor    2011-12   Xavier    (23-13)  JR   PF   44.9   3.7    4.5

Travis Taylor    2012-13   Xavier             SR 


Isaiah Philmore  2009-10   Towson    (10-21)  FR   PF   48.4   3.9    6.4

Isaiah Philmore  2010-11   Towson     (4-26)  SO   PF   49.1   7.0   15.3

Isaiah Philmore  2012-13   Xavier             JR

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Originally Posted by Blue Blobster

kinda like Dillard right? your best player.....

Note the difference between "usually" and "always".

Kevin Dillard was an excellent basketball player at Southern Illinois, and he continues to be an excellent basketball player at Dayton.

Kevin Dillard’s Play Catches Eye of NBA Scouts (Doug Harris, DDN - July 15, 2012)

Kevin Dillard

Travis Taylor's stats took a nosedive after he tranferred "up" to Xavier, and it's too early to tell how things will go for Isaiah Philmore.

In any event, it's unlikely that any NBA scouts have ever heard of Travis Taylor or Isaiah Philmore.

stophorseabuse · 07-31-2012, 06:39 AM

I remember CJ Anderson, a Manhatten transfer, LAUGHING in London Warren's face as the seconds ticked down in yet another X beating of UD. This was as Derrick Brown held the ball just out of his reach grinning and yelling, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT, IT's OVER YOU LITTLE B****. ESPN2 BTW.

BLOBSTER, You can't count Dillard. The conversation was about transferring from a LESSER school. Doesn't exactly apply in his case. When he got to SIU they were still considered a Power non big 6 program, and the A10 was only marginally better thanks to X, Richmond, and Temple at that time.

A10fan2 · 07-31-2012, 07:33 AM

Taylor and Phimore will play in front of many NBA scouts this year. The scouts will be coming for Wells and Christon but each will have their opportunity to impress. Heck, UD's BWS XVIII may even get a chance to be noticed. It will be as "traffic cone" No.2 but it's all good.

ChicagoX · 07-31-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stophorseabuse

You can't count Dillard. The conversation was about transferring from a LESSER school. Doesn't exactly apply in his case. When he got to SIU they were still considered a Power non big 6 program, and the A10 was only marginally better thanks to X, Richmond, and Temple at that time.

Dillard's move from SIU to UD was a lateral move at best. In fact, in the past decade, SIU has been a significantly better mid-major program than Dayton. They have two Sweet 16s and a second-round appearance during that time span. Perhaps Dillard wanted to help UD reach the level of programs like SIU, Murray St., St. Marys (CA), Davidson, Cleveland St. and Ohio U, because transferring to Dayton was most definitely not an upgrade in programs.

xavierhoops · 07-31-2012, 09:46 AM

Exactly, Dillard's move was actually a step down in programs going from Southern Illinois to Dayton with regards to national recognition, respect, exposure etc. And of course, success. 6 NCAA appearances in last 11 years including 2 Sweet 16's. What is Dayton's? Like 2 or 3 appearances in 11 years with only a single win?

07-29-2012, 10:01 AM	#31 (permalink)
Blue Blobster Player Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 682 Rep Power: 145099	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Can't wait till season. A whole new team with an absurd amount of potential. Semaj looks otherworldly. Dez is going bull. Our front court will be diverse though most of them need to gain some muscle. Based on Pure talent, im not sure any other team can compare. But since they are young its going to be tough to compete with the established veteran teams like JOES, SLU, VCU Butler and probably UMASS to. Outside of them I think we will more then hold our own against. Elite talent and top coaching does that for you. __________________ Xavier likes to Play in the NCAA tournaments Dayton likes to host them while they play in the NIT

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Bona84 Star Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,764 Rep Power: 261039	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Well, I went away on vacation for a couple of weeks. Now that I'm back, I see that things are back to muddy normal. __________________ Bona84

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stophorseabuse Veteran Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Valdosta, GA (Title town) Age: 33 Posts: 2,076 Rep Power: 142982	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I remember CJ Anderson, a Manhatten transfer, LAUGHING in London Warren's face as the seconds ticked down in yet another X beating of UD. This was as Derrick Brown held the ball just out of his reach grinning and yelling, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT, IT's OVER YOU LITTLE B****. ESPN2 BTW. BLOBSTER, You can't count Dillard. The conversation was about transferring from a LESSER school. Doesn't exactly apply in his case. When he got to SIU they were still considered a Power non big 6 program, and the A10 was only marginally better thanks to X, Richmond, and Temple at that time.

07-31-2012, 09:46 AM	#45 (permalink)
xavierhoops Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 864 Rep Power: 260320	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Exactly, Dillard's move was actually a step down in programs going from Southern Illinois to Dayton with regards to national recognition, respect, exposure etc. And of course, success. 6 NCAA appearances in last 11 years including 2 Sweet 16's. What is Dayton's? Like 2 or 3 appearances in 11 years with only a single win?

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