Muddy Waters

Actually, Xavier has not won an Atlantic 10 Championship in Men's Basketball since the 2005-06 season, and that Xavier team (led by Justin Cage) won the A-10 Championship game in Cincinnati:


Atlantic 10 Men's Basketball Tournament (Wikipedia)

The Atlantic 10 Conference Men's Basketball Tournament is the Conference Championship tournament in men's basketball for the Atlantic 10 Conference.

The winner of the Atlantic 10 Tournament Championship Game is recognized by the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee as the 'Atlantic 10 Champion' and is awarded the automatic berth for the A-10 Conference in the NCAA Tournament.

The Cintas Center is at liberty to put anything they want on a home-made banner.

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xavierhoops

You are defying logic and very simple facts by arguing Xavier has not been A-10 champions since 2006. That's scary.

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Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

xavierhoops

Thought I'd repost the facts that got Muddy into a delusioned state and totally deny fundamental facts.

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Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

WH

This is actually an interesting question. Who is the real conference champion each year? The team with the best conference record or the winner of the tournament?

I am inclined to point to the regular-season champ, similar to the way champions are judged by major European soccer leagues.

On the other hand, American-style playoffs and related college schemes say the champion is the team that wins whatever playoff system is in place.

There is no doubt Xavier has been the best A-10 program over the past decade. But it actually hasn't won a lot of A-10 tourney titles lately. Before Bona last year, I think Temple won three straight.

a10nick

All that WH has said, above, is true. However, it seems totally silly to think that a 16-game Conference season is done simply to determine who will be left out of the post-season Conference Tourney and how those actually competing in that Tourney will be seeded. If teams win the regular season outright or share that honor with another member of the League, who could argue their right to declare themselves the regular-season Conference Champion?

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I just want the team I support to be in a stronger conference. I'd prefer it to be a stronger A-10! To me that would mean every member would have at least 2 trips to the NCAA Tourney and 5 winning seasons during each 10-year cycle. It would also be great for every program to seriously challenge for a league title (either regular season or Tourney) at least once during that same period of time.

Muddy Waters

St. Bonaventure Captures 2012 A-10 Men's Hoops Crown (Atlantic 10 - March 11. 2012)

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) - Conference Player of the Year Andrew Nicholson had 26 points,14 rebounds and eight blocked shots and St. Bonaventure won its first Atlantic 10 Title by holding off Xavier 67-56 on Sunday.

Bonnies Win First A-10 Title, Dance Into March (St. Bonaventure - March 11. 2012)

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. – Behind a near triple-double from senior Andrew Nicholson, St. Bonaventure (20-11) won its first Atlantic 10 Championship title and clinched its first NCAA Tournament berth since 2000 with a 67-56 win over Xavier Sunday afternoon.

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The Atlantic 10 does not award a trophy for being first seed in the Atlantic 10 Tournament.

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A10fan2

I would MUCH rather win the regular season title than the post season one. Cryers don't know much about either but if it takes some of the shine of Xavier's performance and that's all they have well I guess they get credit for creative delusion. It sure beats looking at links of high school stats.

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Muddy's from 2009

He has since made the same "prediction" this year. CLASSIC

paulxu

Does somebody want to call Bernadette and tell her to fix her chart?

Somebody? Anybody?

http://www.atlantic10.com/championsh...ships1011.html

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...he went up late, and I was already up there.

xavierhoops

Hi Muddy, this is reality speaking. Xavier has won 5 out of the past 6 A-10 regular season championships.

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Chris Mack in 3 years at Xavier has had twice the NCAA wins (4) of the entire Dayton coaching staff in the modern era of NCAA basketball (2).

bprichard

Please don't paint us all with the same brush. There are clearly two championships, the regular season championship and the tournament championship. Personally, I'd prefer the regular season championship, although either is a fine accomplishment. Except for very unusual circumstances (ones that are very difficult to imagine given the current strength of the conference), the A10 regular season champion will be getting an invitation to the tournament.

As for banners stating "A10 Champions", I guess the league could decide only one merits a banner. The status quo seems fine to me, though.

xu95

Back on topic guys.

A10fan2

Back on topic then. Things may be getting even worse at X now. Rumor going around is that Philmore may not be eligible for the first 3 games due to some summer league games he played in between HS and going to Towson. Why not make X pay for Towson's mistake. Oh well, at least Butler won't get to see X's hidden weapon until it really counts.

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Muddy's from 2009

He has since made the same "prediction" this year. CLASSIC

JD Hoops

Ok so what can be expected out of this team (X) this season? Folks around here where I am in RVA seem to think they are done ( as in not finishing any better than 9th) but I am not inclined to bet against Chris Mack and his ability to coach up his team.

xu95

I understand Xavier fans frustration, but this is a punishment for Philmore, not Xavier. Who would they punish at Towson? Some random kid that had nothing to do with it.

Shame on Towson for knowing about it and not reporting it. Kudos to Xavier for finding out about it and self reporting.

Muddy Waters

Philmore Out The First Three Games (Shannon Russell, Cincinnati Enquirer - October 17, 2012)

Philmore did not complete a form validating his amateur status before playing two seasons at Towson. Xavier noticed the discrepancy following his transfer and self-reported the violation to the NCAA.

There were – and are – no issues with Philmore’s amateur status. But because of the initially incomplete data, the 6-foot-8 forward must abide by the NCAA’s prescribed penalty of sitting out 10 percent of the regular-season games.

The Musketeers are still awaiting word on the eligibility status of another player, Chris Cantino. The former Palm Beach State College (Fla.) player has been practicing with XU while the NCAA sorts out an issue related to his junior college.

If a decision isn’t determined by the regular-season’s start, or if Cantino is deemed ineligible, the Musketeers will have only seven available scholarship players for the opening home stand.

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