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Muddy Waters · 11-26-2012, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on November 17, 2012

Cause for concern ?

Robert Morris 2012-13 Schedule & Results (Yahoo!)

Lehigh blew out Robert Morris by 29 points.

Rider blew out Robert Morris by 25 points.

Xavier squeaked by Robert Morris by 2 points.

More cause for concern ?

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on November 19, 2012

AP Poll - Monday, November 19, 2012

Others Receiving Votes: Minnesota 93, Wisconsin 60, Pittsburgh 43, Notre Dame 40, Texas 25, St. Joseph's 24, Florida St. 15, Wichita St. 13, Marquette 13, Alabama 13, St. Mary's 9, Ohio 7, Xavier 7, Kansas St. 7, New Mexico 6, Bucknell 5, Murray St. 4, Tennessee 2, Northern Iowa 2, Maryland 1

No votes for Pacific or California in last Monday’s AP Poll.

Pacific 70, Xavier 67 (ESPN Box Score - November 22, 2012)

California 78, Pacific 58 (ESPN Box Score - November 25, 2012)

Next up for Xavier: @ RPI # 216 Purdue (2-3) on Saturday.

Purdue lost to Villanova 89-81.

Good luck.

west · 11-26-2012, 05:46 AM

I can only guess it's jealousy. I know if I were a UD fan, I'd be crazy jealous of Xavier's program and the national success it has.[/QUOTE]

Jimmy Carter might have something to do with that jealousy thing......

**xu95** · 11-26-2012, 05:55 AM

It must suck to spout off all summer about how horrid this team was going to be and then see them sitting at 5-1 after 6 games. Ok, now back to the originally programmed bitching.

Muddy Waters · 11-26-2012, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by xu95

It must suck to spout off all summer about how horrid this team was going to be and then see them sitting at 5-1 after 6 games.

The Flyer Faithful (including me) and Butler fans are both surprised and delighted that Xavier is 5-1 after 6 games.

As I have posted here year after year, I root for all Atlantic 10 teams to win all of their non-conference games - for the sake of the Atlantic 10's Conference RPI Ranking and the Dayton Flyers' Strength of Schedule, which accounts for 75% of Dayton's RPI Rannking. Ditto for Butler.

This season, Dayton and Butler both play Xavier twice, so a bad performance by Xavier in their non-conference games does twice the damage to Dayton's and Butler's S.O.S. compared to the other 13 Atlantic 10 teams.

On Saturday, Xavier should go to 6-1, as Matt Painter has apparently fielded his worst team since the 2005-06 season - his rookie year as Purdue's Head Coach.

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2012-13:

Matt Painter begins his eighth head coaching season at Purdue after losing three senior starters from the previous season, which included All-American Robbie Hummel and point guard Lewis Jackson.

Also leaving the program were would-be seniors in shooting guard John Hart (transferred to IUPUI Jaguars) and suspended guard/forward Kelsey Barlow (transferred to Illinois-Chicago Flames), which leaves Painter with nine underclassmen and with just five upperclassmen and includes last season's Big Ten's Sixth Man of the Year and All-Conference Honorable Mention senior DJ Byrd.

Painter's raw and young squad began the 2013 season with a 1-3 record, where Purdue lost its season opener for the first time during the Painter-era against Bucknell.

Purdue went on to lose both games at Madison Square Garden during the 2012 Preseason NIT Tip-Off by 8 points each against Villanova and Oregon State.

paulxu · 11-26-2012, 07:27 AM

Who knew that constant criticism, desparaging the coach and college for perceived inadequacies, continual efforts to belittle success, attributing talent and achievement to luck and good fortune, and never-ending forecasts of doom and gloom....were all actually "rooting for" a team?

A10fan2 · 11-26-2012, 07:28 AM

I can't believe Muddie actually typed that. His obsessive behavoir would lead any therapist to question Muddie's sanity if he really thought it were true.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-26-2012, 09:49 AM

The only part of the Xavier game I saw yesterday was the strange shot clock violation discussion. Then I flipped back and got lost in RedZone bliss again and didn't see the final determination. What the heck was the call there? Did they go back and pretend parts of the game never happened?

stevex · 11-26-2012, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

The only part of the Xavier game I saw yesterday was the strange shot clock violation discussion. Then I flipped back and got lost in RedZone bliss again and didn't see the final determination. What the heck was the call there? Did they go back and pretend parts of the game never happened?

They took away Stenger's bucket and the foul they called on the Drake player and gave Drake the ball. It was the right call because Semaj's shot never hit the rim.

REF · 11-26-2012, 09:58 AM

Another thread completely attacked by UD trolls. Shocking! And somehow we're still obsessed with the mighty Flyers.

Flyer75 · 11-26-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stevex

They took away Stenger's bucket and the foul they called on the Drake player and gave Drake the ball. It was the right call because Semaj's shot never hit the rim.

How long do the refs have to reverse that? By that I mean they literally took away the whole next sequence where a Drake guy got called for a foul too. What if it were 4 plays later? Would they reset all that too?

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rove02 · 11-26-2012, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

5-1 was never a realistic possibility.

Underdog Xavier’s win over Butler was a fluke, and no one in the country predicted Xavier to win the Anaheim Classic, so at very best, Xavier might be predicted to be 4-2 after their first 6 games.

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BTW Xavier fans,

The topic of this thread is 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers – not Dayton fans.

Try to stay on topic.

Way to make blanket statements without doing the research.

THE FAVORITE

Xavier: Major caveat alert: I could make a reasonable argument for Saint Mary's, Cal or even a banged-up Drexel, because I'm not really sure there is one clear favorite in this group of teams. But if I have to pick, I suppose I'll take the squad that shut down Butler just one week before Butler beat Marquette and drilled North Carolina in Maui. The transitive property is a fickle siren, but this early in the season it has to mean something.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebaske...classic-primer

BTW pretty sure you aren't a mod. So why don't you leave the moderating to the people who are mature enough to handle those kind of responsibilities.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-26-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

How long do the refs have to reverse that? By that I mean they literally took away the whole next sequence where a Drake guy got called for a foul too. What if it were 4 plays later? Would they reset all that too?

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You have through the next stoppage of play. Once the ball is put back in play after a stoppage, all past plays are final.

AdamtheFlyer · 11-26-2012, 10:39 AM

As far as Xavier being 5-1, I'm not sure many people would have predicted them to start much worse than that. Maybe the Butler game. I think most expected a 2-1 trip to Anaheim, just not in the way they ultimately did it. I think most (and by most I mean honest and intelligent people, not internet trolls) have known Xavier's litmus test will be in December.

at Purdue
Vandy (who looks awful so far)
Kent State
neutral floor Cincy
at Tennessee
at Wake Forest

Those are the games that will let us know where Xavier stands. With the exception of Vandy, all still look like real tests. They are either good teams, away from Cintas, or both.

Wofford is a win, so a 4-3 December record would seem reasonable. Anything better is great, anything worse should give pause.

xu1990 · 11-26-2012, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AdamtheFlyer

As far as Xavier being 5-1, I'm not sure many people would have predicted them to start much worse than that. Maybe the Butler game. I think most expected a 2-1 trip to Anaheim, just not in the way they ultimately did it. I think most (and by most I mean honest and intelligent people, not internet trolls) have known Xavier's litmus test will be in December.

at Purdue
Vandy (who looks awful so far)
Kent State
neutral floor Cincy
at Tennessee
at Wake Forest

Those are the games that will let us know where Xavier stands. With the exception of Vandy, all still look like real tests. They are either good teams, away from Cintas, or both.

Wofford is a win, so a 4-3 December record would seem reasonable. Anything better is great, anything worse should give pause.

I agree with all this. Thought might be 4-2, but 5-1 wan't crazy given the schedule. People tend to forget that Martin, Davis, Christon etc...pretty damn good high school players and recruits. Cupboard not totally bare.

If there was ever a season to go to Purdue, Tennessee and Wake...it would be this one. While no wins guaranteed, I have watched all three play, and they are all beatable.

Muddy Waters · 11-26-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters on November 21, 2012

We won't know what Chris Mack has this season until Xavier plays the meat of their non-conference schedule:

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                                                      Final 2012    Predicted              
Date       Opponent              Location             RPI Ranking     Result

Anaheim Classic                  Anaheim, Calif. 
     
11/22/12  Pacific                Anaheim, Calif.        # 289          WIN   
11/23/12  Drexel or St. Mary's   Anaheim, Calif.     # 66 or # 30      LOSS  
11/25/12  Rice or Drake*         Anaheim, Calif.                       WIN                    

* Possible Round 3 Opponents:    Rice                   # 164 
                                 Georgia Tech           # 196
                                 Drake                  # 142
                                 California             #  45

12/01/12   @ Purdue              West Lafayette, Ind.   #  43          LOSS
12/06/12   Vanderbilt            Cincinnati, Ohio       #  17          LOSS 
12/09/12   Kent State            Cincinnati, Ohio       # 114          LOSS  
12/19/12   Cincinnati            Cincinnati, Ohio       #  35          LOSS 
12/22/12   Wofford               Cincinnati, Ohio       # 178          WIN  
12/29/12   @ Tennessee           Knoxville, Tenn        #  90          LOSS

01/02/13   @ Wake Forest         Winston Salem, NC      # 182          LOSS  

02/26/13   Memphis               Cincinnati, Ohio       #  20          LOSS

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Originally Posted by AdamtheRaider this afternoon

I think most have known Xavier's litmus test will be in December.

at Purdue
Vandy (who looks awful so far)
Kent State
neutral floor Cincy
at Tennessee
at Wake Forest

Those are the games that will let us know where Xavier stands.

Astute observation, Adam.

Except for the Wake Forest game being played in December. It's in January.

11-26-2012, 05:46 AM	#617 (permalink)
west Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 244 Rep Power: 0	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I can only guess it's jealousy. I know if I were a UD fan, I'd be crazy jealous of Xavier's program and the national success it has.[/QUOTE] Jimmy Carter might have something to do with that jealousy thing......

11-26-2012, 05:55 AM	#618 (permalink)
xu95 Community Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cincinnati Age: 40 Posts: 3,576 Rep Power: 332174	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers It must suck to spout off all summer about how horrid this team was going to be and then see them sitting at 5-1 after 6 games. Ok, now back to the originally programmed bitching.

11-26-2012, 07:27 AM	#620 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,367 Rep Power: 309022	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Who knew that constant criticism, desparaging the coach and college for perceived inadequacies, continual efforts to belittle success, attributing talent and achievement to luck and good fortune, and never-ending forecasts of doom and gloom....were all actually "rooting for" a team? __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

11-26-2012, 09:49 AM	#622 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers The only part of the Xavier game I saw yesterday was the strange shot clock violation discussion. Then I flipped back and got lost in RedZone bliss again and didn't see the final determination. What the heck was the call there? Did they go back and pretend parts of the game never happened? __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

11-26-2012, 09:58 AM	#624 (permalink)
REF Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,048 Rep Power: 7187	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Another thread completely attacked by UD trolls. Shocking! And somehow we're still obsessed with the mighty Flyers.

11-26-2012, 10:39 AM	#628 (permalink)
AdamtheFlyer Star Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,819 Rep Power: 157851	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers As far as Xavier being 5-1, I'm not sure many people would have predicted them to start much worse than that. Maybe the Butler game. I think most expected a 2-1 trip to Anaheim, just not in the way they ultimately did it. I think most (and by most I mean honest and intelligent people, not internet trolls) have known Xavier's litmus test will be in December. at Purdue Vandy (who looks awful so far) Kent State neutral floor Cincy at Tennessee at Wake Forest Those are the games that will let us know where Xavier stands. With the exception of Vandy, all still look like real tests. They are either good teams, away from Cintas, or both. Wofford is a win, so a 4-3 December record would seem reasonable. Anything better is great, anything worse should give pause. __________________ Sure, I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is, I'm not. I honestly just feel that America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism. Last edited by AdamtheFlyer; 11-26-2012 at 10:44 AM.

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