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**a10nick** · 12-02-2012, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bona Wolf for Pope

If you can't even remember who you're being so petulant about, why not give it up? You like a team that has been very very successful...why do you Xavier fans get so bent out of shape about what Dayton fans say?

I think what Xavier has done is very impressive. All the preseason gloom forecasts were entirely understandable, based on the perceived turmoil and being conservative about how well relative unknowns would pan out. X seems to have the talent to play and don't look to need a ton of depth (opposite of the Bonnies...our style of play necessitates a lot of guys and cracks are showing up front...especially when your center has a sprained ankle and your backup gets kicked in the back). I don't know if this will come back to hurt them in the second half of the season, but for now they and Charlotte are the outsider's surprise of the season.

I have to agree with the Wolf. Don't those who have posted dire predictions that don't pan out have to eat crow anyway without those perceiving themselves as being wrongly abused serving it up for all to see?

Anyway, we are just barely 25% into the seaon. Anything can happen from this point out.

On the other hand, barring injuries, defections, and/or failing grades, I like Xavier's chances for a good season; perhaps not Sweet Sixteen or Elite 8 good, but much better than what many XU fans themselves thought it would be.

paulxu · 12-02-2012, 10:30 AM

Well, I'll disagree slightly.

If you have a program that has been fortunate to enjoy success for a sustained period of time, it is to be expected that teams who have struggled in your conferernce would take an opportunity to enjoy a projected down season for that team. That's OK...and natural. As is rooting for your own team and hightlighting possible good things to come.

What is different is that a few posters want to attribute that forecasted down year (and everything else) to perceived personal failings of your administration, coaches and players. Not athletic shortcomings with corresponding game impacts, but perceived lack of character, behavior, etc.

That raises the level of response, and should probably be expected.

xudash · 12-02-2012, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulxu

Well, I'll disagree slightly.

If you have a program that has been fortunate to enjoy success for a sustained period of time, it is to be expected that teams who have struggled in your conferernce would take an opportunity to enjoy a projected down season for that team. That's OK...and natural. As is rooting for your own team and hightlighting possible good things to come.

What is different is that a few posters want to attribute that forecasted down year (and everything else) to perceived personal failings of your administration, coaches and players. Not athletic shortcomings with corresponding game impacts, but perceived lack of character, behavior, etc.

That raises the level of response, and should probably be expected.

This.

hunerman · 12-02-2012, 04:05 PM

Hey all. I'm not a huge Xavier fan or anything like that. But my roommate went to high school in the same class and played basketball with Brad Redford. Brad got us some tickets for the game @ Purdue, and we went down and talked to him and his parents after the game (my roommate introduced me and another friend to him). He seemed like a really nice guy. I also loved the way he played, running off screens and knocking down shots.

What is the general opinion of him by most hard core Xavier fans? Hope you guys have a great season, and I will for sure be checking out some box scores from now on.

MudFlap · 12-02-2012, 04:39 PM

Every X fan has loved the kid since day one. Come to Cintas and see the reaction when he gets the ball in the corner. The ACL was unfortunate and probably hurt his college time, but nobody has ever worked harder to keep a Xavier Uni on. He deserves everything he can get. I think he has really stepped up his defense given the tools he has to work with.

xudash · 12-02-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MudFlap

Every X fan has loved the kid since day one. Come to Cintas and see the reaction when he gets the ball in the corner. The ACL was unfortunate and probably hurt his college time, but nobody has ever worked harder to keep a Xavier Uni on. He deserves everything he can get. I think he has really stepped up his defense given the tools he has to work with.

This.

We also got to know him better when he was down with this injury. It seems as though he may want to go into broadcasting at some point, because he spent his off year doing interviews.

During a game against Temple, when Xavier was otherwise retiring Brian Grant's number, I recall him doing an interview with John Boehner (X grad) In the president's box during the game. It was pretty funny; They both seemed to be having a very good time doing it.

**a10nick** · 12-02-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xudash

This.

We also got to know him better when he was down with this injury. It seems as though he may want to go into broadcasting at some point, because he spent his off year doing interviews.

During a game against Temple, when Xavier was otherwise retiring Brian Grant's number, I recall him doing an interview with John Boehner (X grad) In the president's box during the game. It was pretty funny; They both seemed to be having a very good time doing it.

It should be noted that the "box" described above in red does not belong to Mr. Obama, either by his elected office or by marriage. It is that of Fr. Graham, S.J., President of Xavier University.

Mea culpa; mea culpa; mea maxima culpa (sorta).

udee79 · 12-02-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by a10nick

It should be noted that the "box" described above in red does not belong to Mr. Obama, either by his elected office or by marriage. It is that of Fr. Graham, S.J., President of Xavier University.

Mea culpa; mea culpa; mea maxima culpa (sorta).

Is it Fr. Graham's by marriage?

xudash · 12-02-2012, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a10nick

It should be noted that the "box" described above in red does not belong to Mr. Obama, either by his elected office or by marriage. It is that of Fr. Graham, S.J., President of Xavier University.

Mea culpa; mea culpa; mea maxima culpa (sorta).

I knew I should have typed "suite." You dirty bastard!

**a10nick** · 12-03-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by xudash

I knew I should have typed "suite." You dirty bastard!

I am too!!! (Dripping with sarcasm!)

X Factor · 12-03-2012, 04:44 AM

Xavier - Purdue Highlights

How do you embed a youtube video on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Mkqxr0vP8

MudFlap · 12-03-2012, 05:05 AM

JMart coming into his game this year?

BmoreX · 12-03-2012, 01:42 PM

Semaj won A10 Rookie of the Week again.

Should be a recurring theme all season long.

A10fan2 · 12-04-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Muddy Waters

Men's Basketball homepage (Xavier University) . . . Men's Basketball News (Xavier University)

Xavier Musketeers homepage (Cincinnati Enquirer)

MusketeerScoop homepage (Rivals.com)

Xavier Musketeers homepage (Yahoo!) . . . . . . . . . Xavier Musketeers homepage (ESPN)

Xavier Musketeers homepage (CBS Sports) . . . . . . Xavier Musketeers RPI Breakdown (CBS Sports)

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2012-13 Xavier Men's Basketball Roster (Xavier University) . . . 2011-12 Xavier Musketeers Stats (Yahoo!)

Active Scholarshipped Players (8):

Code:

                                                     2011-12 Stats:    
     Active Player     Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard      6-1   182    35  11.1  0.7  3.2
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward    6-10  225    36  13.6  2.9  3.6   
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward    6-8   220    36  14.7  3.7  4.5

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward    6-8   230    ---  ---  ---  --- 

 5.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard      6-0   160    36  11.1  0.6  1.9
 6.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward    6-6   205    31  11.8  2.5  2.9
 
 7.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard      6-3   182    ---  ---  ---  --- 
 8.  Farr, James       FR  Forward    6-9   222    ---  ---  ---  ---

Active Non-Scholarshipped Players (3):

Code:

                                                     2011-12 Stats:
   Walk-on Player      Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG
 
1. Amos, Landen        JR  Guard      6-3   180    6   0.8   0.2  0.0
2. Dougan, Greg        JR  Guard      6-4   170    6   0.7   0.2  0.0
3. Stenger, Erik       JR  Forward    6-8   205    0   0.0   0.0  0.0

Players Who Are Not Eligible for the 2012-13 Season (3):

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                                                     2011-12 Stats:    
   Ineligible Player  Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG

1. Stainbrook, Matt   JR  Center     6-9   275    33  26.9  6.8  11.4 * (Scholarshipped player) 
2. Davis, Myles       FR  Guard      6-2   200    --  ----  ---  ----   (Non-scholarshipped player) 
3. Reynolds, Jalen    FR  Forward    6-9   220    --  ----  ---  ----   (Non-scholarshipped player)

* At Western Michigan University

Unused Basketball Scholarships for the 2012-13 Season: (4).

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2012-13 Xavier Roster and Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Jeff Robinson, James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor.

SF: Justin Martin.

SG: Brad Redford.

PG: Semaj Christon, Dee Davis.

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Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Schedule & Results (Xavier University)

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Date       Opponent              Location
 
11/09/12   Fairleigh Dickinson   Cincinnati, Ohio   
11/13/12   Butler                Cincinnati, Ohio               
11/17/12   Robert Morris         Cincinnati, Ohio
         
11/22/12   Anaheim Classic       Anaheim, Calif. 
11/23/12   Anaheim Classic       Anaheim, Calif.  
11/25/12   Anaheim Classic       Anaheim, Calif.

12/01/12   @ Purdue              West Lafayette, Ind.  
12/06/12   Vanderbilt            Cincinnati, Ohio 
12/09/12   Kent State            Cincinnati, Ohio  
12/19/12   Cincinnati            Cincinnati, Ohio 
12/22/12   Wofford               Cincinnati, Ohio  
12/29/12   @ Tennessee           Knoxville, Tenn.

Code:

01/02/13   @ Wake Forest         Winston Salem, NC  
01/10/13   Temple                Cincinnati, Ohio  
01/12/13   George Washington     Cincinnati, Ohio 
01/16/13   @ St. Bonaventure     Olean, NY  
01/19/13   La Salle              Cincinnati, Ohio  
01/23/13   @ Charlotte           Charlotte, NC  
01/26/13   @ Saint Joseph's      Philadelphia, PA 
01/30/13   Dayton                Cincinnati, Ohio 

02/02/13   @ Richmond            Richmond, Va.  
02/09/13   @ Duquesne            Pittsburgh, PA  
02/13/13   Fordham               Cincinnati, Ohio  
02/16/13   @ Dayton              Dayton, OH 
02/20/13   @ Rhode Island        Kingston, RI  
02/23/13   VCU                   Cincinnati, Ohio 
02/26/13   Memphis               Cincinnati, Ohio 

03/02/13   Massachusetts         Cincinnati, Ohio 
03/06/13   Saint Louis           Cincinnati, Ohio 
03/09/13   @ Butler              Indianapolis, IN

A college head coach's fourth season as head coach is the season that his chickens come home to roost.

Xavier Basketball (Wikipedia)

Muddy's Observations:

(1) Xavier has not had an overall losing record since the 1995-96 season (13-15; Xavier's first season in the Atlantic 10).

(2) Xavier has never had a losing record in Atlantic 10 Conference play.

(3) Xavier's worst record in Atlantic 10 Conference play was 8-8 (in 1995-96 and again in 2005-06).

(4) In 2012-13, the Musketeers are looking at their first-ever losing record in Atlantic 10 Conference play.

(5) In 2012-13, the Musketeers are looking at their first overall losing record since the 1995-96 season.

(6) In 2012-13, the Musketeers are looking at their first 20+ loss season since the 1981-82 season (8-20).

Fourteen wins looks overly optimistic to me with only 8 (mostly inexperienced) scholarshipped players.

The biggest dangers to Chris Mack's future at Xavier, which will be caused by an unexpectedly disastrous 1012-13 season, are its probable effects on present and committed players, and on Xavier's future recruiting success.

Xavier Musketeers 2013-14 Roster:

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                                                     2011-12 Stats:    
    Player            Yr. Position   Ht.   Wt.    G   MPG   RPG  PPG

 1. Philmore, Isaiah  SR  Forward    6-8   230    ---  ---  ---  --- 

 2. Davis, Dee        JR  Guard      6-0   160    36  11.1  0.6  1.9
 3. Martin, Justin    JR  Forward    6-6   205    31  11.8  2.5  2.9
 4. Stainbrook, Matt  JR  Center     6-9   275    33  26.9  6.8  11.4 *
 
 5. Christon, Semaj   SO  Guard      6-3   182    ---  ---  ---  --- 
 6. Farr, James       SO  Forward    6-9   222    ---  ---  ---  --- 
 
 7. Davis, Myles      FR  Guard      6-2   200    --  ----  ---  ----   
 8. Reynolds, Jalen   FR  Forward    6-9   220    --  ----  ---  ----   
 9. Thomas, Chris     FR  Guard      6-5   180    --  ----  ---  ----     

* At Western Michigan University

Scholarships available for HS Class of 2013 recruits or transfers: 4.

It’s already too late in the 2012-13 academic year for Xavier to acquire any high-quality Division I transfers who will be eligible to play in the 2013-14 season.

Consequently, if Chris Mack's 4 available scholarships for the 2013-14 season are all awarded to HS Class of 2013 prospects, Mack will have 7 freshman on next season's roster.

As it is highly unlikely that Mack will want that many inexperienced freshman in one class, he will be forced to take his chances in the JUCO Jackpot, which rarely matches expectations.

In seasons gone by, Sean Miller brought in a steady influx of high-quality Division I transfers such as Brian Thornton (Vanderbilt), Drew Lavender (Oklahoma), C.J. Anderson, Jamel McLean, Jordan Crawford (Indiana), and Tu Holloway (Indiana), who were largely responsible for Xavier’s considerable success during the past six seasons:

Code:

                      Overall  Conf.
Year     Head Coach     W-L     W-L   A10 Regular Season      Postseason
 
2011–12  Chris Mack    21-12   10-6   T-Third in A–10         NCAA Sweet 16  
2010–11  Chris Mack    24–8    15–1   First in A–10           NCAA First Round  
2009–10  Chris Mack    26–9    14–2   T–First in A–10         NCAA Sweet 16  

2008–09  Sean Miller   27–8    12–4   First in A–10           NCAA Sweet 16  
2007–08  Sean Miller   30–7    14–2   First in A–10           NCAA Elite Eight  
2006–07  Sean Miller   25–9    13–3   T–First in A–10         NCAA Second Round
 
2005–06  Sean Miller   21–11    8–8   T–Seventh in A–10       NCAA First Round  
2004–05  Sean Miller   17–12   10–6   T–Second in A–10 West   None.

Muddy's Observation: the 'slide' at Xavier has already begun:

2007–08 - Sean Miller - 30 wins
2008–09 - Sean Miller - 27 wins
2009–10 - Chris Mack - 26 wins
2010–11 - Chris Mack - 24 wins
2011–12 - Chris Mack - 21 Wins
2012–13 - Chris Mack - 8 wins?

So far, Chris Mack has brought in Travis Taylor (Monmouth), Isaiah Philmore (Towson), Matt Stainbrook (Western Michigan), and JUCO Chris Cantino, who may or may not make an impact at Xavier.

Bottom Line: Xavier’s Roster for the 2013-14 season looks unstable at best, and the possible transfer of players from Xavier following a disastrous 2012-13 season could leave Xavier worse off in 2013-14 than in 2012-13.

Think "Jim O’Brien".

I wonder if someone wants to revisit their delusion?

xudash · 12-04-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by A10fan2

I wonder if someone wants to revisit their delusion?

Why would anyone, even a Xavier fan, spend time putting something like that together?

12-02-2012, 10:30 AM	#662 (permalink)
paulxu Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,412 Rep Power: 309022	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Well, I'll disagree slightly. If you have a program that has been fortunate to enjoy success for a sustained period of time, it is to be expected that teams who have struggled in your conferernce would take an opportunity to enjoy a projected down season for that team. That's OK...and natural. As is rooting for your own team and hightlighting possible good things to come. What is different is that a few posters want to attribute that forecasted down year (and everything else) to perceived personal failings of your administration, coaches and players. Not athletic shortcomings with corresponding game impacts, but perceived lack of character, behavior, etc. That raises the level of response, and should probably be expected. __________________ *...he went up late, and I was already up there.*

12-02-2012, 04:05 PM	#664 (permalink)
hunerman Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,118 Rep Power: 106095	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Hey all. I'm not a huge Xavier fan or anything like that. But my roommate went to high school in the same class and played basketball with Brad Redford. Brad got us some tickets for the game @ Purdue, and we went down and talked to him and his parents after the game (my roommate introduced me and another friend to him). He seemed like a really nice guy. I also loved the way he played, running off screens and knocking down shots. What is the general opinion of him by most hard core Xavier fans? Hope you guys have a great season, and I will for sure be checking out some box scores from now on. __________________

12-02-2012, 04:39 PM	#665 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,644 Rep Power: 150436	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Every X fan has loved the kid since day one. Come to Cintas and see the reaction when he gets the ball in the corner. The ACL was unfortunate and probably hurt his college time, but nobody has ever worked harder to keep a Xavier Uni on. He deserves everything he can get. I think he has really stepped up his defense given the tools he has to work with.

12-03-2012, 04:44 AM	#671 (permalink)
X Factor Player Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 927 Rep Power: 5128	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Xavier - Purdue Highlights How do you embed a youtube video on here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Mkqxr0vP8 __________________ When you live in Tool City, you care what the mayor thinks. - Blue Dog (September 9, 2009)

12-03-2012, 05:05 AM	#672 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,644 Rep Power: 150436	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers JMart coming into his game this year?

12-03-2012, 01:42 PM	#673 (permalink)
BmoreX Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 134 Rep Power: 6236	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Semaj won A10 Rookie of the Week again. Should be a recurring theme all season long.

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