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Old 01-03-2013, 09:36 AM   #736 (permalink)
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

Mack doesn't need to be worried about his job. The administration blew this team up in the off season and he will get a pass. Xavier will be back. I recommend people who really hate the team have their fun now because it won't last for long.
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Mack doesn't need to be worried about his job. The administration blew this team up in the off season and he will get a pass. Xavier will be back. I recommend people who really hate the team have their fun now because it won't last for long.
This is the same kind of situation that happened at SLU after Reed/Mitchell. Majerus kept his job too.
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Mack doesn't need to be worried about his job. The administration blew this team up in the off season and he will get a pass. Xavier will be back. I recommend people who really hate the team have their fun now because it won't last for long.
What's your reasoning for the bolded?
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I think what he meant by it won’t last long, is that it won’t last past this season.

Take a look who X has coming in next year. Randolph (4 star from California), the other half of a Top 15 national recruiting class in Reynolds and Davis, Stainbrook, Cantino, Richards (a 3 star).

Plus another 4 star from Texas for 2014. And the beat goes on at X. It’s not going to takes us a few years for recruiting to recover as many Flyer fans hoped for/predicted.
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I think what he meant by it won’t last long, is that it won’t last past this season.

Take a look who X has coming in next year. Randolph (4 star from California), the other half of a Top 15 national recruiting class in Reynolds and Davis, Stainbrook, Cantino, Richards (a 3 star).

Plus another 4 star from Texas for 2014. And the beat goes on at X. It’s not going to takes us a few years for recruiting to recover as many Flyer fans hoped for/predicted.
You sound like a Dayton fan.

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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

Okay, so the short answer is that the recruits/transfers are at such a level that a return to dominance is imminent.

The only concern I would have is that the fabled chain of Xavier upperclassman leading the team - Sato, West, Dolman, Cage, Burrell, B.J. Raymond - has been broken. As such, the leader on the team next year is who . . . Dee Davis? Who is that Xavier player who blossoms into the grisled veteran and shows the young pups what it means to be a Muskie?

And before you attack another Dayton poster who has the temerity to question the Mighty Flagship, I'm only suggesting that Xavier is set on a foundation for the next few years unlike their previous blueprint for success. It will be interesting to see the results.
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You sound like a Dayton fan.
Really?

I don't see any excuses or delusion or settling for mediocrity/irrelevance in my post.

Xavier isn't very good this year. Thankfully, we have a coaching staff, (athletics) administration and program structure in place that has a long, repeated history of success.

As xu95, said- please enjoy this year UD fans. Hopefully your Jimmy Carter streak may end. And please, continue with the multi-year rough patch predictions and essays on how it will take years for X's recruiting to recover. At least one of those predictions have already been proven absolutely false.
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Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers

IMO the biggest issue for X is that Christon is shouldering too big of a load. He is the only guy that can create and that is a huge burden on a freshman, he needs someone to share the load and it isn't happening at the moment.
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I think next season will be somewhat similar to the 2005-2006 season, where X barely made the NCAA tourney, due to winning conference tournament. I think we will be a few wins better than that team, but will by no means be a top 25 team.
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IMO the biggest issue for X is that Christon is shouldering too big of a load. He is the only guy that can create and that is a huge burden on a freshman, he needs someone to share the load and it isn't happening at the moment.
Travis Taylor has been playing extremely well down low as of late.

Christon can create, but he can't finish as of late. From the field or free throw line.
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Musketeers Still Looking for Answers (Shannon Russell, Cincinnati Enquirer - January 4, 2013)




Xavier forward Travis Taylor (4) sits out with 4 fouls during the second half against Tennessee.


Mack said it’s no secret that guards need to do a better job of defending without fouling.

Semaj Christon fouled out of the last two games.

Dee Davis fouled out against Wake after logging a season-low 24 minutes and succumbing to early fouls, including one on the perimeter that gave Codi Miller-McIntyre three free throw attempts.

Then there were the turnovers.

Xavier averaged 11 in its 7-2 start, a figure that has ballooned to 16.8 turnovers in its 0-4 slide.

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What's your reasoning for the bolded?
I'm not saying next year will be back to standards, but I do believe that within a couple of years things will be back on track. As some people have already mentioned we have a couple of good players coming in next year, not five star studs but good players that will fill holes we have now. We also have two guys who were declared ineligible this year, who while I don't think are world beaters either (if you read some of the posts on this thread from non-Xavier fans you would think they were both one and dones, but only after they were declared ineligible)and we also have Stainbrook who can play next year.

One of our biggest problems this year is the drop off after the starting five. There won't be as much of one next year and hopefully by the year after that there will be even less of one.

And no, 75, I'm not sitting here saying, "wait until next year" which we hear alot on other team threads that have 175 pages on it. I haven't given up on this year yet, even though they will really need to get their crap together quick to salvage it. What I am saying is that I think everyone in the world knew this would be a down season by Xavier standards (some people more than others - 8 wins total, hello. Pictures of a train anyone?). I think the coaching staff is doing the right things to get good players back in the fold and in a year or two things will get back to where they were.
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The only concern I would have is that the fabled chain of Xavier upperclassman leading the team - Sato, West, Dolman, Cage, Burrell, B.J. Raymond - has been broken. As such, the leader on the team next year is who . . . Dee Davis? Who is that Xavier player who blossoms into the grisled veteran and shows the young pups what it means to be a Muskie?
I seem to recall that just 2-3 years ago a fairly decent player by the name of sophomore Jordan Crawford was the acclaimed leader of the Musketeers --- so good in fact that he is now doing quite well in the NBA.

The point is, you don't necessarily have to be a 4th-year player to lead your team to the promised land in D-1 college basketball, at Xavier or anywhere. All the former players you mentioned were very important players in the Muskie program even during their early years with XU. Why can't we imagine (or even assume) tha some of our non-seniors like Christon, Randolph, Stainbrook, Martin, Reynolds, the two Davises, etc... could lead Xavier to successful seasons next year and beyond?
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Strip away the double-talk and it is "Wait until next year". It's only taboo because you have chosen to make it taboo as a criticism of your foes. If you know your team is pretty bad, and you are likely to be better the following year, it's OK to think and say "Wait till next year". Circumstances will force you to wait, whether you like it or not.

I do believe that X will improve significantly next year. I have confidence in that because some of the players for X right now are freaking walk-ons and div 2 transfers. The line-up was just decimated over the summer. You have to wonder, though, if someone else will be ineligible next year after the pattern that has been established. I don't expect the X back-ups (meaning this years starters due to defections and ineligibility) to compete for an A10 championship like has been advertised in the past on this board.
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Strip away the double-talk and it is "Wait until next year". It's only taboo because you have chosen to make it taboo as a criticism of your foes. If you know your team is pretty bad, and you are likely to be better the following year, it's OK to think and say "Wait till next year". Circumstances will force you to wait, whether you like it or not.
It only becomes taboo when a program’s fans have to use the “wait till next year card” year after year after year after year after year because of their program’s results and (lack of) success.
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