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Blue Blobster · 08-21-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Title_BU

A lot of what causes programs to win is the fact that they have won before. Its basketball inertia.

For the great majority, programs will just go on being themselves regardless of whatever year-to-year particulars occur. It takes a major catalyst to change a programs standing.

I see nothing that would indicate that this would be anything more than just another scholarship available for the 2013 class (and some additional losses this season)

(and that lineup is still top half talented)

Agreed. Xavier won't roll over and stop winning games. the only difference now is that everything is a question mark. Fortunately for X we are fortunate to have good answers to those in the form of some good players.

College Hoops · 08-21-2012, 03:21 PM

Now, post Wells, winning got a little more difficult.

cpico · 08-21-2012, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Title_BU

A lot of what causes programs to win is the fact that they have won before. Its basketball inertia.

For the great majority, programs will just go on being themselves regardless of whatever year-to-year particulars occur. It takes a major catalyst to change a programs standing.

I see nothing that would indicate that this would be anything more than just another scholarship available for the 2013 class (and some additional losses this season)

(and that lineup is still top half talented)

Not quite sure that Xavier's lineup is still top half talented. That could be a stretch with 4 freshman. If Xavier breaks into the top half of the league this year that would be a good season considering what they lost. Too many good teams in the league this year - St. Louis, VCU, St. Joe's, Butler, La Salle, UMASS, Temple - and some others.

SquidLegs · 08-21-2012, 04:55 PM

With Dez gone, who do you consider Mack's best remaining recruit during his tenure?

ItsyBitsySpiderII · 08-21-2012, 05:06 PM

I will never count Xavier out until it's proven on the court. that said, the league looks to be extremely deep if a team like Richmond with four returning starters is picked ninth or tenth by many. Will be amazing if they finish top three but I'm not betting against it. seen this movie before . . .

Muddy Waters · 08-21-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cpico

Not quite sure that Xavier's lineup is still top half talented.

It isn't:

Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Roster . . . Xavier Musketeers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!)

Code:

                                                       2011-12    
     Player            Cl. Position       Ht.   Wt.    PPG  RPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard          6-1   182    3.2  0.7
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward        6-10  225    3.6  2.9
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward        6-8   220    4.5  3.7

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward        6-8   230    ---  ---

 5.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard          6-0   160    1.9  0.6
 6.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward        6-6   205    2.9  2.5
 
 7.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard          6-3   182    ---  ---
 8.  Davis, Myles      FR  Guard          6-2   200    ---  --- 
 9.  Farr, James       FR  Forward        6-9   222    ---  ---
10.  Reynolds, Jalen   FR  Forward        6-9   220    ---  ---

Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Jeff Robinson, Jalen Reynolds, and James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Justin Martin, Travis Taylor.

SG: Brad Redford, Myles Davis.

PG: Semaj Chrison, Dee Davis.

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Originally Posted by cpico

Too many good teams in the league this year - St. Louis, VCU, St. Joe's, Butler, La Salle, UMASS, Temple - and some others.

Indeed.

It is unfortunate for Xavier that the Musketeers will apparently play the toughest schedule in the school's history in the upcoming season.

Xavier Releases 2012-13 Men's Basketball Non-Conference Schedule (Xavier University - July 20, 2012)

Another Tough Non-Conference Slate

CINCINNATI --- Xavier University announced its impressive 2012-13 men's basketball non-conference schedule today, including the dates and sites.

Xavier has 22 teams on its 2012-13 schedule that participated in 2012 postseason action, including 10 in the NCAA Tournament, combining the Atlantic 10 slate and all potential non-conference opponents.

"We continue to have the philosophy of putting together one of the nation's toughest non-conference schedules," said Xavier Athletic Director Mike Bobinski. "This is great for our fans and for our team as it prepares for what should be the toughest and deepest Atlantic 10 Conference since we joined the league (in 1995-96)."

The Musketeers open the season with a three-game homestand, including a non-conference game on Nov. 13 against new Atlantic 10 Conference rival Butler as part of ESPN's Tip-Off Marathon.

Xavier also hosts the likes of Vanderbilt, Memphis and Kent State while playing at Purdue, Tennessee and Wake Forest.

In neutral site action, XU also plays Cincinnati at U.S. Bank Arena and against a talented field in the Anaheim Classic in November that includes 2012 NCAA Tournament teams Cal and Saint Mary's and consensus top 25 preseason pick Drexel.

Xavier Musketeers 2012-2013 Schedule

Date Opponent / Event / Location

11/09/12 vs Fairleigh Dickinson Cincinnati, Ohio
11/13/12 vs Butler Cincinnati, Ohio
11/17/12 vs Robert Morris Cincinnati, Ohio

11/22/12 vs. Anaheim Classic Anaheim, Calif.
11/23/12 Anaheim Classic Anaheim, Calif.
11/25/12 Anaheim Classic Anaheim, Calif.

12/01/12 at Purdue West Lafayette, Ind.
12/06/12 vs Vanderbilt Cincinnati, Ohio
12/09/12 vs Kent State Cincinnati, Ohio
12/19/12 vs Cincinnati Cincinnati, Ohio
12/22/12 vs Wofford Cincinnati, Ohio
12/29/12 at Tennessee Knoxville, Tenn.
01/02/13 at Wake Forest Winston Salem, NC TBA
02/26/13 vs Memphis Cincinnati, Ohio TBA

SpiderDave19 · 08-21-2012, 05:11 PM

Have we seen this movie? I don't think we've gone into a season like this in a long time - one that has so many teams returning great talent and rightfully expecting big things, two new teams returning players and a recent history of great success, and Xavier losing so much and relying on newcomers to a great extent.

The fact is, they are returning only role players, none of which are seen as good bets to break out/step up. They've lost talent before, but always had more in the cupboard than they do this time around - and the rest of the league is stronger than ever.

Flyer75 · 08-21-2012, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Title_BU

A lot of what causes programs to win is the fact that they have won before. Its basketball inertia.

For the great majority, programs will just go on being themselves regardless of whatever year-to-year particulars occur. It takes a major catalyst to change a programs standing.

I see nothing that would indicate that this would be anything more than just another scholarship available for the 2013 class (and some additional losses this season)

(and that lineup is still top half talented)

There's some truth to this. But Dez was X only returning starter and by the eye test, an A10 first teamer. I have no clue who is going to back up the three spot now for X.

SquidLegs · 08-21-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidLegs

Jeff Robinson blows. No way do I see him as a starter.

I might have to retract this statement. Not retracting that Jeff Robinson blows, but that he won't be a starter.

Muddy Waters · 08-22-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer75

I have no clue who is going to back up the three spot now for X.

Chris Cantino.

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Xavier Musketeers 2012-13 Roster . . . Xavier Musketeers 2011-12 Stats (Yahoo!)

Code:

                                                       2011-12    
     Player            Cl. Position       Ht.   Wt.    PPG  RPG

 1.  Redford, Brad     SR  Guard          6-1   182    3.2  0.7
 2.  Robinson, Jeff    SR  Forward        6-10  225    3.6  2.9
 3.  Taylor, Travis    SR  Forward        6-8   220    4.5  3.7

 4.  Philmore, Isaiah  JR  Forward        6-8   230    ---  ---
 5.  Cantino, Chris    JR  Forward        6-7   220   12.0  9.0 * 
 
 6.  Davis, Dee        SO  Guard          6-0   160    1.9  0.6
 7.  Martin, Justin    SO  Forward        6-6   205    2.9  2.5
 
 8.  Christon, Semaj   FR  Guard          6-3   182    ---  ---
 9.  Davis, Myles      FR  Guard          6-2   200    ---  --- 
10.  Farr, James       FR  Forward        6-9   222    ---  ---
11.  Reynolds, Jalen   FR  Forward        6-9   220    ---  ---

* JUCO sophomore year stats.

Possible Depth Chart (Position: starter, first off the bench at each position.)

C: Jeff Robinson, Jalen Reynolds, and James Farr.

PF: Isaiah Philmore, Travis Taylor, and James Farr.

SF: Justin Martin, Chris Cantino.

SG: Brad Redford, Myles Davis.

PG: Semaj Chrison, Dee Davis.

Flyer75 · 08-22-2012, 05:49 AM

If UD had brought in this Cantino kid, I can only imagine the thrashing we'd be taking by horesabuse, blue blobster and Mudflap.

Any truth to some rumors floating around out there that one or two more players won't be academically eligible this season? That would make for a total disaster if true.

MudFlap · 08-22-2012, 08:33 AM

Well, you brought in a no star as a backup to dribble the ball up the court, and I don't remember any criticism. Don't know why you would care when maybe we are doing the same.

Flyer75 · 08-22-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MudFlap

Well, you brought in a no star as a backup to dribble the ball up the court, and I don't remember any criticism. Don't know why you would care when maybe we are doing the same.

Ummm, have you read any of the latest posts about UD potential recruits.

On Desmond Ridenhour: "No big loss. Doesn't even look to be A10 quality"

For the record, a player can't be zero stars from Rivals. If they are, it's because they were never evaluated by a Rivals writer. And also for the record, that's exactly what UD is probably doing with the PG situation and it's exactly what you are doing with this guy. That's irrelevant, I'm just stating what would be said if we brought him here. Why? Because it is what you guys say here about even 3 star players for us.

College Hoops · 08-22-2012, 11:26 AM

Whether its right or not, I expect Chris Mack is on a short leash this year. Not so much in terms of wins and losses, but rather in terms of whether any of his players end-up in serious trouble academically or otherwise,

xavierhoops · 08-22-2012, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by College Hoops

Whether its right or not, I expect Chris Mack is on a short leash this year. Not so much in terms of wins and losses, but rather in terms of whether any of his players end-up in serious trouble academically or otherwise,

Why?

Is Cronin on a short leash this year as well? UC/XU fight, the nightclub brawl this spring with UC players that brought significant negative attention, and I think he kicked someone else off the team last fall (I forget for what).

08-21-2012, 03:21 PM	#77 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 349 Rep Power: 8869	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Now, post Wells, winning got a little more difficult.

08-21-2012, 04:55 PM	#79 (permalink)
SquidLegs Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 776 Rep Power: 214721	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers With Dez gone, who do you consider Mack's best remaining recruit during his tenure? __________________ The two homer reasons that Xavier fans are delusional in their evaluation of the Muskies: 1. Byron Larkin 2. Brian Snow Xaviers Shame:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gpS7PSYWcM

08-21-2012, 05:06 PM	#80 (permalink)
ItsyBitsySpiderII 6th Man Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 38 Posts: 494 Rep Power: 2788	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers I will never count Xavier out until it's proven on the court. that said, the league looks to be extremely deep if a team like Richmond with four returning starters is picked ninth or tenth by many. Will be amazing if they finish top three but I'm not betting against it. seen this movie before . . .

08-21-2012, 05:11 PM	#82 (permalink)
SpiderDave19 Player Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 912 Rep Power: 48590	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Have we seen this movie? I don't think we've gone into a season like this in a long time - one that has so many teams returning great talent and rightfully expecting big things, two new teams returning players and a recent history of great success, and Xavier losing so much and relying on newcomers to a great extent. The fact is, they are returning only role players, none of which are seen as good bets to break out/step up. They've lost talent before, but always had more in the cupboard than they do this time around - and the rest of the league is stronger than ever.

08-22-2012, 05:49 AM	#86 (permalink)
Flyer75 Star Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 3,856 Rep Power: 37278	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers If UD had brought in this Cantino kid, I can only imagine the thrashing we'd be taking by horesabuse, blue blobster and Mudflap. Any truth to some rumors floating around out there that one or two more players won't be academically eligible this season? That would make for a total disaster if true.

08-22-2012, 08:33 AM	#87 (permalink)
MudFlap Star Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Victory Parkway Xavier University Posts: 3,644 Rep Power: 150436	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Well, you brought in a no star as a backup to dribble the ball up the court, and I don't remember any criticism. Don't know why you would care when maybe we are doing the same.

08-22-2012, 11:26 AM	#89 (permalink)
College Hoops 6th Man Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 349 Rep Power: 8869	Re: 2012-2013 Xavier Musketeers Whether its right or not, I expect Chris Mack is on a short leash this year. Not so much in terms of wins and losses, but rather in terms of whether any of his players end-up in serious trouble academically or otherwise,

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