Knobby

That is not entirely true. Obviously recent history is weighted more heavilly, but you don't coach for 20+ years if you are not doing something right.

Your whole portfolio counts; and obviously some have been around longer (a lot longer) than others. Mack has done nothing but win in his brief HC history, and like many have said, it is when your team in not so good, that you prove how good a coach you really are. You could say that after the "incident" last year Mack did finally rally the troops at the end of the year, but X was a little inconsistent for a while there.

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Bona Wolf for Pope

How many of his own guys were contributing? He seems to get the big name classes, but the guys who did most of the scoring this year weren't his recruits, right? (I'll give you Wells, who could be a force for Xavier going forward) I'm not saying this to stir anything, but I am not sold on Mack being in the highest echelon.

Recent results should count, but Mack will, for me, be made by his next three years rather than his first three.

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xavierhoops

Does no one on here remember the 2010-11 season at Xavier? Supposed to be a major re-building year. Heck, we had a second year true walk-on playing significant minutes during the OOC portion of the schedule.

Another A-10 championship and NCAA appearance.

Fastchuck

[QUOTE=Free Quebec;6917314]I believe Mike Lonergan is the only coach in the league to have won a national championship.

(at Catholic University of all places, DIII).


Dr. G. won a national championship with Rowan Univerity (also div. III)along with a couple of additional final 4 appearances. He left Rowan as the winningnest active coach in div. III men's b-ball. He is also the winningnest coach in U. Maine history.

Free Quebec

Thanks, Fastchuck. Had forgotten.

In that case, I think #9 is a good spot for him (I still leave him behind Lonergan because he did less at Maine than ML did at Vermont - though I love where both have their programs headed).

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DistrictBaller

http://www.athlonsports.com/college-...etball-coaches

Very cool stat.

Here's Athlon's order:

1. Brad Stevens- Butler
2. Shaka Smart- VCU
3. Rick Majerus- St. Louis
4. Fran Dunphy- Temple
5. Chris Mack- Xavier
6. Chris Mooney- Richmond
7. Phil Martelli- St. Joseph's
8. Danny Hurley- Rhode Island
9. Mark Schmidt- St. Bonaventure
10. Jim Ferry- Duquesne
11. Derek Kellogg- UMass
12. Archie Miller- Dayton
13. Mike Lonergan- George Washington
14. John Giannini- La Salle
15. Tom Pecora- Fordham
16. Alan Major- Charlotte

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paulxu

I wonder if they are actually picking the coaching order, or are they really projecting how the league will finish up. Will be interesting to go back and compare this at year's end. (hard to see Butler on top, but who knows)

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DistrictBaller

They're picking the order based on who they think the best coaches are if you take a look at the article.

I don't think it has anything to do with how they think the league race will pan out. That would be curious. I think St. Louis is the prohibitive favorite from the people that seems to know the A-10 the best, and UMass and St. Joe's are supposed to be top tier teams.

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mjbais1489

looks pretty solid to me. For me I would add tiers:
Tier #1 - #1-3
Tier #2 - #4-7
after that...it really does not matter. Kellog would be higher for me and jim ferry would be way lower.

Mack is the ultimate toss-up in this convo - he does get absolutely schooled in games by other coaches sometimes...but he does put together great runs. Xavier fans are forgetting context - this years sweet 16 was kinda lame...it is all about matchups. Everyone knew you werent goign farther than that. This year will be a great question for mack and if he nails another season you gotta give it to him. I honestly can see xavier finishing second in reg season but i think stevens and smart will put on a show in the conference tourney.

paulxu

I was being a little sarcastic (and failed) in my comment. But the ranking is sort of predicated on recent NCAA tourney accomplishments..which maybe isn't all that bad a yardstick.

I am really interested in the upcoming season with Butler and VCU in the conference. Both Shaka and Chris Mack have only head coached for 3 years; essentially with inherited players.

Shaka has a second round and final 4. Mack has 2 Sweet 16's and a first round. Not all that much difference (although the final 4 is impressive as hell).

But now they are sort of on their own, with all their own players. Shaka's record was built in what is arguably a little weaker league, the CAA. The playing field is now level. Should be a lot of fun.

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SpiderInTheMixingBowl

I think Mack is a good coach especially in the department of scouting and game planning. He's the guy who devised the best way to attack Richmond's defense (granted his method requires having an excellent point guard). When he first devised it, Tu scorched us in Richmond for I think infinity points. It has been copied by other coaches with varying degrees of success.